Str8 Curios Gay Guy--Finally Tried Pussy

[Hot4Latinos]

Yes, a lo of people, particularly in the gay community are afraid of the bi word

 

[colo92]

ass eater: the problem is that these "gay men" you speak of have a very warped and distorted understanding of their sexual orientation. No one can force them to do what they've chosen. I wouldn't be surprised at all if these guys you speak of have other issues that they simply don't want to address. Very sad indeed.

Hot4Latinos: My sincere sympathies for the loss of your ex love. I was very touched reading what you wrote. When I broke up with my first love back in the early 80s it was very traumatic for me. I pretty much knew he was probably bisexual but he was also devoted to me and I did things that really treated him poorly and I regret that to this day. It doesn't mean he was never an asshole to me--he did things that strained our relationship too. The axiom "it takes two" is a very true one.

I have to admit, if I were younger (I'm 48) and single, knowing your love for Latinos (I happen to be one) I'd probably find a way to meet you and well...

I sincerely hope you find love again. You're so passionate and I believe that there must be someone out there who would want to share their life with someone like you.

 

[Hot4Latinos]

yes colo....i do love my latino men. and i appreciate your kind words

 

[Kyanimal]

I've always KNOWN I was Gay since I realized it was more Fun, for me, to 'Play' with my 'boy' friends, than it was with my 'girl' friends. I think I was maybe 5, or 6, when I began getting Naked with anyone who also wanted to show me 'theirs'.

My teens, and twenties, coincided with the 60's and 70's. "Free Love", "Flower Power", and all of that Fun stuff. And, though it was a time of "Freedom", it was also more socially restrictive, than things are now, when it came to Gay 'stuff'.

SO ... up until I was 30, or so, there were a LOT of women in my life (with a few guys, here and there). And, though I came close to actually marrying about 6 of "my girls", I always (thankfully) KNEW better than to go through with it, for Them AND Me.

Yes, I have had more than my 'fair' share of FUN! And, my major point is, FUCK the Damned Labels! Why try to cram yourself, or anyone else, into a neatly defined Box? LIFE is NOT "Black and White"! It's really all about massive shades of Grey!

Yes! I'm a 'core' Gay Guy, butt I've also been a SEXUAL Being in the Full Range of that term.

Do NOT limit all of the possibilities that is You! We're not 'Here' for a very long time! Why pass up ALL of the experiences that are available to us? Follow your Heart at any given time, and (literally) 'Screw' all the preconceptions/expectations/'limits', and LIVE Your LIFE to it Fullest!

And, Yeah! ... no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[Hot4Latinos]

Thanx Chaz. I appreciate your perspective

 

[colo92]

I've always KNOWN I was Gay since I realized it was more Fun, for me, to 'Play' with my 'boy' friends, than it was with my 'girl' friends. I think I was maybe 5, or 6, when I began getting Naked with anyone who also wanted to show me 'theirs'.

My teens, and twenties, coincided with the 60's and 70's. "Free Love", "Flower Power", and all of that Fun stuff. And, though it was a time of "Freedom", it was also more socially restrictive, than things are now, when it came to Gay 'stuff'.

SO ... up until I was 30, or so, there were a LOT of women in my life (with a few guys, here and there). And, though I came close to actually marrying about 6 of "my girls", I always (thankfully) KNEW better than to go through with it, for Them AND Me.

Yes, I have had more than my 'fair' share of FUN! And, my major point is, FUCK the Damned Labels! Why try to cram yourself, or anyone else, into a neatly defined Box? LIFE is NOT "Black and White"! It's really all about massive shades of Grey!

Yes! I'm a 'core' Gay Guy, butt I've also been a SEXUAL Being in the Full Range of that term.

Do NOT limit all of the possibilities that is You! We're not 'Here' for a very long time! Why pass up ALL of the experiences that are available to us? Follow your Heart at any given time, and (literally) 'Screw' all the preconceptions/expectations/'limits', and LIVE Your LIFE to it Fullest!

And, Yeah! ... no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

All admirable sentiments and in a perfect world it would be that easy, although in ones own personal life of course one can apply this way of living to a certain degree depending on those we surround ourselves with.

I happen to be an advocate for labels (I'm a librarian by trade and degree, so go figure). They're only a problem or obstacle when they're misused or misapplied. Even in these very interesting forums many individuals label themselves, including you. They do so even when the content of their comments may belie their chosen label. I believe labels will no longer be necessary, thankfully, when sexual minorities no longer have to worry about being denied a marriage license, getting fired from a job because of who they are, being denied the opportunity to rent an apartment, getting thrown out of jury selection because in many U.S. states it is still legal to do so, bigoted family members interferring in the legal and financial affairs of a living same-sex spouse/partner (in spite of the fact that legal documents were established to protect against this very thing, and the numerous other legal incidents of marriage that many heterosexual American citizens take for granted), when glbt youth no longer kill themselves as result of being bullied for who they are, and on and on. These may seem like mundane or trivial things to some people, however they are part of life for millions of glbt Americans. The fact is that it's the use of labels that has played an important part in making it possible for many of us to even do what we're doing here in these fascinating forums and on this enjoyable Web site. So I sincerely hope that one day we will be able to apply what you advocate in every facet of our lives.

The use of labels does not mean we cannot live our lives to their fullest, we just need to do so in the context of the world/country/state/city and everyday existences that we live in and even in the ordinary things we do.

 

[colo92]

Kyanimal --

FUCK the Damned Labels! Why try to cram yourself, or anyone else, into a neatly defined Box? LIFE is NOT "Black and White"! It's really all about massive shades of Grey!

The label bisexual is a beautiful shade of grey!

 

[ass eater]

@chaz: there are shades of grey. But if there is no sexual desire or attraction to women, what shade, or lable are those gay men. Growing up was the opposite for me. What is free love? H had girls as friends but never any arousel. It was a girl who used to show me her pussy all the time when i was little. She would get confused because i laughed every time she did it. Like i said every gay man is not the same. Some can play around and fuck girls consistantly, some gay men can not. Look at it this way, you have the openly gays like RICKY MARTIN and ELTON JOHN. you have the openly gays like CARSON KRESSLY and MARIO CANTONE. All openly gay, but two of the four men can, and or have been with women. The latter two can not be with women. they can't fake it or play around with women. they have no choice "but" to be themselves. So are there different shades of openly gay.

 

[ladave]

am i saying something that ain't truth?

You sure are. If he's had sex with both a guy and a girl and he's enjoyed both, he's bi, not straight. You can wish he was straight all you want but that doesn't make it true.

 

[eggsel]

Yes you should go out and a a beautiful woman to marry and take you to the right pad,
and no i'm not afriad of the bisexual word, i can use it without my voice 'shaking'.
fuck the labels??? really? so we should stop calling people thiefs, rappers, pedophiles, etc...
he shouñld say he was NEVER gay inf the first place, period.

 

[eggsel]

Seems to me that he's been struggling to come to terms with who he really is. Some people think they are gay but later on in life realize they're bisexual. Doesn't necessarily make them liars; it may just mean they come to the realization later than the rest of us.

(For example, I'm not the kind of gay man who is automatically turned off by pussies. I find most to be simply of no interest to me, some rather cringe-worthy, and some even aesthetically and erotically beautiful...but I have desire to go there in my personal life.)

From a psychological point of view that is no healthy, sexuality is definied in our teens, when someone later in life the tend to have a chaotic one, based on lies and all that stuff. And yes they are liars, we all know what we are, one decide to look to another way some of us decide to face life the way it is. Sad but true, we was straight all the way but he prefered to live as a gay man, that (from my personal point of view) is selfish. The only thing i would like to hear is from he coming clean, finding a girl, putting away his "gay" past, moving on and being happy as a straight man.

Also what you point out about "celebrities" is a sad fact that yuth considers them as role models cuz they had the guts to come out. Fact: tons of gay guys are bullied in highscool, work, in their on families and they pull through all that shit, they are real heroes cuz they refuse to live a lie =)

Is also good to know that you have desire to go there [pussy]. You also should come clean, and find a girl. al my best to you both in your new found straightness

 

[Hot4Latinos]

^^ Your above statement has to be the most misinformed thing I've ever read on here. Psychology, from Havelock Ellis to Freud and onward and sexology from Kinsey in the 50's to Fritze Klein in the late 80's early 90's have held that human sexuality is fluid and shifting (as in the Kinsey scale or the Klein grid) not fixed and certainly not fixed in adolescence. Why don't you inform yourself first before you presume and misinform others.

 

[Hot4Latinos]

And I'll say it again: LIcking pussy one time does not erase or negat 20 some years of living and identifying as a gay man.

 

[Kyanimal]

colo

I do agree with your point of view that Labels are, indeed, helpful, and necessary, in our efforts to organize, and understand, the World in which we Live.

However, my problem arises when those Labels are used to narrowly define People, VERY Complicated Beings, and attempt to "Shoe Horn" them into Enforced Stereotypes.

H4L has shared a Personal experience with us ... a Gay Guy trying out Muff Diving, and finding that He likes "IT" ... butt is 'jumped upon' by those insisting that he can no longer be considered "Gay"!

WTF? Are we that restricted in our perspectives that we can't take an Honest Guy at his Word?

EXPAND Your strict train of Thought, Guys! Rather than insisting on your own, engendered, tunnel vision, how about trying to Learn something that you may not already be familiar with?

Would it not be better for us to ask H4L something along the lines of, "How did that look, taste, smell, feel, for You?" "Were you Boned through it all?" "Did that experience turn you on?" "Would you think of trying that again?" "Can we get some more Details from you?" "Did you get OFF?"

YES!, believe it, or not, "Gay" Guys CAN have Sex with Females, and still be GAY! AND, Str8 Guys can 'Play' with other Guys, and still be Str8!

If they choose to define themselves with those Labels, who are We to Doubt them?

I'm a GAY Guy with an Extensive Bisexual History! Butt, I assure you, I'm STILL a GAY Guy!

Don't let preconceived Labels inhibit your perception of the myriad Wonders/Possibilities of the Full range of Who/What we are capable of Being!

And, of course ... no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[eggsel]

^^ Your above statement has to be the most misinformed thing I've ever read on here. Psychology, from Havelock Ellis to Freud and onward and sexology from Kinsey in the 50's to Fritze Klein in the late 80's early 90's have held that human sexuality is fluid and shifting (as in the Kinsey scale or the Klein grid) not fixed and certainly not fixed in adolescence. Why don't you inform yourself first before you presume and misinform others.

Dude really? I went for a Psychology major, and all the teacher i haver ever had support my point of view (though i recognize there is no absolut truth).
So yeah i'm informed and i'm not misinforming anyone.
Human sexuality is fluid? That's why most of 95% of population is str8 or gay for their whole of their lives? So yeah it SO fluid.
It doesn't erease your past, but it does tell the lie you lived.
By the way... c'mon just come out as straight already. It'll be so much easy for you. We all support you you
nobody is against you, i think that needs to be remarked (Y)

 

[Hot4Latinos]

Psychology major? WHERE? You've yet to write a single response that isn't riddled with grammatical errors and typos and you're just plain WRONG about what you think as history and countless studies have shown.

REALLY?

Up to this point I assumed you were maybe 16 and just needed to grow up.

 

[Kyanimal]

Dude really? I went for a Psychology major, and all the teacher i haver ever had support my point of view (though i recognize there is no absolut truth).
So yeah i'm informed and i'm not misinforming anyone.
Human sexuality is fluid? That's why most of 95% of population is str8 or gay for their whole of their lives? So yeah it SO fluid.
It doesn't erease your past, but it does tell the lie you lived.
By the way... c'mon just come out as straight already. It'll be so much easy for you. We all support you you
nobody is against you, i think that needs to be remarked (Y)

Egg, Bud! Sorry, butt you're SO Wrong!

You wouldn't also happen to be a Rebuplican't, would You?

I'm curious to know why you can't accept that H4L is, indeed, in spite of his recent experiences, STILL, and will likely Always BE, GAY!

What are your own imposed 'restrictions' holding you back from seeing the Truth?

I'm not 'attacking' you, Dude! I'm simply wondering how THICK the Wool might be that you're insisting on covering your eyes with!

In any case ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[colo92]

Kyanimal--

However, my problem arises when those Labels are used to narrowly define People, VERY Complicated Beings, and attempt to "Shoe Horn" them into Enforced Stereotypes.

H4L has shared a Personal experience with us ... a Gay Guy trying out Muff Diving, and finding that He likes "IT" ... butt is 'jumped upon' by those insisting that he can no longer be considered "Gay"!

WTF? Are we that restricted in our perspectives that we can't take an Honest Guy at his Word?

EXPAND Your strict train of Thought, Guys! Rather than insisting on your own, engendered, tunnel vision, how about trying to Learn something that you may not already be familiar with?

Would it not be better for us to ask H4L something along the lines of, "How did that look, taste, smell, feel, for You?" "Were you Boned through it all?" "Did that experience turn you on?" "Would you think of trying that again?" "Can we get some more Details from you?" "Did you get OFF?"

YES!, believe it, or not, "Gay" Guys CAN have Sex with Females, and still be GAY! AND, Str8 Guys can 'Play' with other Guys, and still be Str8!

If they choose to define themselves with those Labels, who are We to Doubt them?

I'm a GAY Guy with an Extensive Bisexual History! Butt, I assure you, I'm STILL a GAY Guy!

Don't let preconceived Labels inhibit your perception of the myriad Wonders/Possibilities of the Full range of Who/What we are capable of Being!

And, of course ... no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

Okay so here is something that might freak you and H4L out (although Chaz, I suspect you will not be in any way freaked by what follows). It fucking turns me on that you and H4L like pussy and that at least one of you gets off on fucking pussy--yet you both have called/call yourselves gay and I GET SO ANGRY AT YOU BOTH FOR THAT! Years ago I would have just lashed out at both of you. And no, don't try to over analyze--I would kill myself rather than have any kind of sexual relations with a woman and I would never do so to save the life of my husband. So let's put that tangential thinking to rest, shall we. (Since I can't speak for anyone but myself I will tell you that my arousal on this matter comes from me fantasizing myself as being the female you're fucking, licking, etc.--and so call me or think of me as fucked up, if you want)

I and so many, many other men who openly identify as gay (meaning: exclusively homosexual in our desire, fantasy, physiological response, and/or romantic affectation, etc.) cannot understand and should not understand, in my humble opinion, why men like you and H4L have been or are what you claim to be.

I have joined this site in part because with this particular thread I have watched H4L grow to a conclusion. Although I always wonder how it would make his ex-love feel watching him have sex with a woman. It would rip my heart. I bet it would rip his heart too.

Chaz-- If we lived in that perfect world, then it wouldn't matter who we fooled around with. Nor would anyone care.

I am so thankful that our anti-gay foes are not so sophisticated. Because they could use your current hetero desires (e.g. the Frenchie thread game) and H4L as examples of why gay men and lesbians do not deserve to be treated as equal or protected from discrimination. After all guys like Kyanimal and H4L can get in on with women--so why couldn't the rest of the perverts. This is where the grey or the abstract becomes the enemy.

 

[colo92]

Hot4Latinos-- re: eggsel

Up to this point I assumed you were maybe 16 and just needed to grow up.

I wanted to say something like this. Thankfully one of the alpha males said so.

 

[Hot4Latinos]

Thank you for responding with open hearts Chaz & Colo.


And Colo, as I said I will never give up my Latino men!