Straight acting = Self Loathing?

[number42]

Goddamn... Why IS this even an issue?

Really? Must everything be turned into an issue? Everyone 'acts' the way they want to act. Most of my friends say it doesnt show i'm gay, yet i have 'quirks'. That's about as gay-acting as i get. Does it change my value? Does it change that i dig guys?

Must all gays be like this?

Is this the 'accepted' gay?

 

[ShihTzuTylenol]

One thingpeople need to realize is that ACTING and BEING are the same thing.

If someone tells me I'm ACTING like an asshole, it means Im BEING an asshole. It doesn't mean I'm a nice guy who is pretending to be an asshole.

ACT: Noun
anything done, being done, or to be done; deed; performance: a heroic act.
2. the process of doing: caught in the act.

We need to remember that words have more than one meaning. Though acting sometimes mean pretending, or putting on a false show, it can also mean nothin more than the way a person naturally behaves.

Yeah, well we were talking about the putting on a false show meaning so....

 

[ShihTzuTylenol]

number42 , are you the one wearing the glasses ?

haHA! those shirts are totally gay, dude!

So is San Diego gonna lose tomorrow BearD or what? hehe GO KANSAS CITY!

 

[number42]

number42 , are you the one wearing the glasses ?

Heh... we're both wearing glasses dude

 

[Ninja108]

IMO, straight acting is if you talk about all the women you've slept with or are pretending to be straight.

 

[G-Lexington]

You're self-loathing if you ACT straight. If you just let your natural inclinations play out - be they masculine or feminine - then you're not.

Lex

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

I know a lot of people seem to get really upset over the term "straight acting" and I noticed anyone that describes themself this way is automatically looked at as "self loathing" or "self hating". It seems like the push on the gay community to act effemenite is just as strong as the black community pushing black men to act ghetto, ganster or thug. Black people who don't act the part get called "acting white" or "oreo". In the gay community they get called "self loathing".

So if a gay guy doesn't want to conform to gay stereotypes why is that a bad thing?


Discuss.

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[GhostMost]

If some guy would say I act "straight" I'd just pass it off as them saying I act masculine. I act way effeminate when I'm alone/without my dad watching/or with my friends, because they bring my personality out a bit more. So when I'm with others I act more, I don't give give a fuck, then I normally do.

 

[Musik2400]

Yeah, well we were talking about the putting on a false show meaning so....

And why do you get to decide which meaning is being used? Is it not up to the person who scribes "Straight-Acting" which definition of ACT he is using? Is it not extremely arrogant and presumptuous of you to simply assume that he is using it in the way you believe he is.

The argument I see all the time here is "theyre acting straight, putting on a show, which means they're in the closet which means they're self-loathing, and they're damaging to the gay image and must have no respect for themselves. "

Why does this HAVE to be the case? Can it not simply mean that someone has more attributes which are MORE COMMONLY asociated with heterosexual men than with gay men? Especially when dealing with people not regularly exposed to the gay community, who assume all gays are flamers?

 

[fetaby]

Why does this HAVE to be the case?

Because that's how the dichotomy is set up. Either/or.

Can it not simply mean that someone has more attributes which are MORE COMMONLY asociated with heterosexual men than with gay men?

Let's go down the checklist.

Penis, check.
Vaginal intercourse, uncheck.
Everything else? Subjective bullshit.

Especially when dealing with people not regularly exposed to the gay community, who assume all gays are flamers?

As a gay man, isn't your existence enough to debunk the assumptions?


BTW, don'tcha just love christmas

So which is it? Are desirable masculine traits reserved solely for straight men? Or can gay men buck the stereotype?

In the meantime, while that's being debated , the term 'straight acting' just isn't cutting the mustard. Cause when push comes to shove, a man with a dick in his mouth ain't straight.

 

[Comrad]

People are just going off what they believe what the ideal man is. And he is--well you know. And the gay man is considered to be into show tunes, finger snapping and so on and so fourth. And a lot of guys see that as an embarrassment. Their really are no other way to label these thing the are stuck with "straight acting" and what ever...I just don't think people want to be stuck with such a negative stereotype. Not self loathing, just want to rise above.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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ans Internet why da endless recycle same topics same few cause out da basket case of da crap of drones ofs ages



whens world shut up ya hear da windmills ya wills

 

[joaama]

Are there straight guys out there who describe themselves as "gay acting?"

 

[joaama]

It is a bogus term.

If you are a guy and you love cock, there is nothing straight about you. The only way to act straight is to start fucking women.

 

[PKMO]

It doesn't annoy me when people describe themselves as "straight acting" because I know what they mean. They're not trying to insult anyone, they're not trying to imply that being gay makes you "less of a man"; they're trying to say they act more like a sterotypical straight man than a stereotypical gay man.

They're not saying that they're NOT gay. They're not saying that their entire life is one big performance where they surpress their real characteristics.

Musik2400 said it well:

ACT: Noun
anything done, being done, or to be done; deed; performance: a heroic act.
2. the process of doing: caught in the act.

We need to remember that words have more than one meaning. Though acting sometimes mean pretending, or putting on a false show, it can also mean nothin more than the way a person naturally behaves.

I wouldn't describe myself as "straight acting" personally (because I know it offends people) but at the same time I'm not going to be offended by it because I know what people mean when they say it.

What DOES annoy me is any reference to "real man" and any implication that gay men aren't "real men". People use it on me all the time like that should be impressive. "I'm a real man, who just happens to like other men". Well, technically that just described every gay man in exsistence...

 

[FanofFiction]

The term "straight acting" is so full of self-hate that it's frightening. One of the many aspects that make it so frightening is that the people who use it usually don't realize how much they hate themselves or how much negativity they project onto the more flamboyant gay men.

I suppose it would be one thing to describe yourself as masculine, but to describe yourself as 'acting like someone outside of my own culture/group/biology/etc' is ludacris.

It's sort of like gangstas for example. There are lots of white dudes that go out and try to act and speak like a stereotypical 'black gangsta'. I know lots of white guys that speak with this weird south central/Bronx accent who have never even left New Brunswick. It's obviously stupid for them to act to such extremes. But would it not be even more insane for them to start describing themselves as 'black acting' or 'african-american acting'? They just describe themselves as gangstas.

I love Latinos and the music, culture, and food that go along with them... but I'm not about to run out and start speaking with an accent and call myself 'Latino acting'.

Is there nobody who sees how stupid that would be?

 

[number42]

@FanOffFiction

People tend to use the easiest names. Everybody understands 'straight-acting'. As long as it's used in way it means you behave like a straight man, what's the big deal?

Are you saying it's not true that most gay men are a bit swishy?

A few years ago in the netherlands, a candy had to be renamed for kind of the same reason as you are talking about. It was called a 'negerzoen', which translates to 'nigro kiss'. The government ruled that name to be racist and told the companies to rename it politically correct. A fucking CANDY!

See the bullshit there?

(btw, idk about english (nigro), but in dutch, neger is a correct word to describe black people)

 

[FanofFiction]

Late getting around to this one... but... holy crap. I'm glad the government did step in. 'Negro Kiss' is fairly unacceptable. I'm not even black and I'm offended by that one.

I think we'd all be offended if they started making "Fag Tarts", wouldn't we?

 

[Callum]

Honestly, I'm not really sure what "straight acting" is. I think I've deduced it's things that are typically associated with masculinity...but I'm not too sure. I mean, I love musicals, cooking/baking, water polo, plaid, fashion, pop music so I guess that's "gay acting". But I love baseball, rugby, cars, airplanes, boats, fixing things, rock climbing, military history so that's "straight acting"? So what does that make someone, that enjoys all of those things? Does having a Burberry scarf make me "gay" and I shouldn't wear it so I can act "straight"?

Really, applying a sexuality to a broad range of one's interests is nothing short of moronic. Sexuality doesn't define someone and neither do their interests.

 

[bankside]

Because running around telling everyone "I act like a cliché of heterosexuality" makes people look a bit dumb.