Straight women vs. gay men

[MasonJay]

Women appreciate male body
Gay men are obsessed with male body

When speaking in these kind of generalities, I think you have nailed it.

 

[MasonJay]

Spoken like a guy that doesn't have sex with women, or talk to them, or pretty much have any knowledge of them from such a biased and ignorant statement.

No, I don't and never have had sex with a woman, but I do talk with them all the time, and I disagree that my statement is ignorant. I did not ask about women enjoying sex, but I am wondering why gay men tend to talk about the male body in such a different way than females do especially when it comes to the anti-gay marriage/relationship crop of woman that I am unfortunately surround with. They tend to talk about the male body and form like it is just the worst thing in the world, and they talk about how horrible it is even outside the confines of a homosexual conversation. Furthermore, this leads them to dislike the idea of men being together because they don't understand why a man would want to be with another disgusting man (their words, not mine). In contrast, gay men do not speak of the male form in such a manner, nor do the majority of gay men speak so ill of the female form. It only gets bad for some gay men when the conversation starts to be about the vagina, then some gay men really begin to contort their face in disgust.

 

[MorrisseyX]

I think women want sex just like men but the society we live in makes it more difficult for women to express their sexual desires.

Unlike gay men, women still have to deal with the whore/vrigin/ being a good lady stereotype.

For some odd reason if a woman sleeps around people call her a slut or a whore. I find this odd, I thought Sex and the City was changing things for women in pop culture?

I think if a woman is using condoms, practicing safer sex she can have sex with as many guys as she wants.

But the thing is, because we live in a male dominated society, a woman has to be careful who she's picking up and taking back home for sex.

Naomi Wolf wrote a book last year called Vagina a new biography and she got slammed by the feminists for the book. In Vagina, Naomi Wolf said that orgasms are very important and if a woman loves her body, owns it, has good sex, it will help her self esteem.
Wolf was criticized by feminists because Wolf talked a lot about the importance of achieving an orgasm. Wolf had back problems and wasn't able to have high orgasms until she went back to the doctor.

Wolf also says in society the vagina is treated as unattractive and repulsive when in the past the vagina was treated as the most important human organ in life.

I think gay men and women are different because we still live in a patriarchal society. I think there must be straight women out there who secretly wish they can have sex with multiple men at once. The problem is, the straight woman's safety she has to worry if she gets with one guy or even more if she might get attacked.

Also, look at lesbians they are also women they don't do things gay men do, you don't hear about lesbians having sex in a public park, or in a bathroom or whatever.

 

[altlover85]

Yes, I think women and gay men view the male body differently. I think it does depend on what type of women you are around though.

and keeping the odor of rotting flesh at bay

I'm pretty sure guys can smell pretty gross down there if they don't practice good hygiene.

For a girl to be considered a prime specimen, she just has to keep her weight down to a frightful level and wear 10 pounds of makeup and 3 pounds of hair product.

Keeping weight off isn't easy either.

MorrisseyX, great post!

 

[Swellegant]

I've often been baffled by my straight female friends who report an antipathy to the sight of her boyfriend's body parts. I've frequently heard penises described as "ugly" or "funny-looking," and asses described as "gross." I've never heard a straight man say such a thing about female parts, nor have I heard a gay man say such things about any male parts. And I've never in my life heard a lesbian talk about a woman in terms of parts.

But then, I haven't spoken to every person in the world, nor read every sociological study ever conducted, so any conclusions I draw will of course have to be generalizations. And, in general, it has been my experience that women are not as driven by visual stimuli as men are. They seem to be more driven by mental associations than by visible specifics. It's one of the reasons that women's pictorial or video porn isn't that successful, though women's romance novels fly off the shelves: women generally prefer to have their fantasies in their heads, not in front of their eyes.

The question of penis envy (which does not mean, and never has meant, that women wish they had penises; rather that they envy the relative ease of puberty and reproduction that attends on the penis in comparison to the vagina) is an interesting one, but I don't think it's universal nor particularly influential to women's different behavior toward visual stimuli. It may be one of numerous underlying causes of some women's antipathy toward the penis, but certainly not the whole thing for all women.

Some women really do like penises. But the only one I've ever heard say so in public was Samantha on Sex and the City, who is a fictional character and completely unlike every woman I know.

 

[travis82]

Men and Women are different and will always be different. This is a fact that will never change.

I am glad that I am a gay man.

Women, in general are not sexual or horny creatures. Most straight women find the penis gross or disgusting. And most straight women only suck dicks out of obligation, not because they want to.

 

[Durango95]

Yes, I think women and gay men view the male body differently. I think it does depend on what type of women you are around though.

I don't socialize with women other than the absolute minimum.

I'm pretty sure guys can smell pretty gross down there if they don't practice good hygiene.

BO is one thing. The smell of the sloughing uterine wall decomposing is totally another.

Keeping weight off isn't easy either.

Refraining from putting something in your mouth is a lot easier than benching 360 pounds or pumping 500 pounds in a hip sled.

 

[Str8Top14701]

No, I don't and never have had sex with a woman, but I do talk with them all the time, and I disagree that my statement is ignorant. I did not ask about women enjoying sex, but I am wondering why gay men tend to talk about the male body in such a different way than females do especially when it comes to the anti-gay marriage/relationship crop of woman that I am unfortunately surround with. They tend to talk about the male body and form like it is just the worst thing in the world, and they talk about how horrible it is even outside the confines of a homosexual conversation. Furthermore, this leads them to dislike the idea of men being together because they don't understand why a man would want to be with another disgusting man (their words, not mine). In contrast, gay men do not speak of the male form in such a manner, nor do the majority of gay men speak so ill of the female form. It only gets bad for some gay men when the conversation starts to be about the vagina, then some gay men really begin to contort their face in disgust.

You never said in your original statement that it had anything to do with an anti-gay anything. The other problem I had with your statement is that you make this HUGE generalization about women and how they view and talk about mens' bodies. Talking with them "all the time" is not the same as being in a relationship with them. They're only going to let you know so much, and most women seem to use the ears of others to dump on about their man problems. Women and men talk differently about the opposite sex, and talk differently about the opposite sex when talking to the opposite sex.

Men and women express irritation at someone differently. Guy will refer to someone as being a "bitch" or and "asshole", maybe give an example of why, and it's pretty much done with. Women are button pushers, they will enlist women friends (and sometimes those friend will just pile on without being asked), they'll share private details with people that are close to them or the person they are mad at. He couldn't get it up one night? He better not piss her off of everyone she knows, and that he knows, will know about it.

 

[Str8Top14701]

actually it's the other way around. in general, gay men do NOT appreciate the male body like how straight women do. you'll have so many gay men go crazy over the guy that has a certain body type and you'll have many straight women going crazy over a guy with a normal body. big difference there, dude. i think that straight women pretty much look at guys differently compared to gay men too. a lot of gay men think about the short con (sex) compared to the long con (a relationship). it's the opposite with women.

It's about the person, not which sex they are. Not all men go gaga over men's bodies anymore than women do. It's also a subjective thing because what turns on one person isn't necessarily going to even get the attention of another. If men were that crazy for mens' bodies then there'd be a lot more comments in the pic posting area; and of the comments that are made how may just comment on one thing, like "great cock" or "nice abs", and not a paragraph that sounds like some medieval ode to his whole body?

 

[Str8Top14701]

Women, in general are not sexual or horny creatures. Most straight women find the penis gross or disgusting. And most straight women only suck dicks out of obligation, not because they want to.

Bullshit, more bullshit, and more bullshit on top of that. I really wonder how gay men make all these judgments? Before some of you go making ignorant statements with the broad generalizations that have no basis whatsoever, think about how gay & bi men have had similar ignorance thrown on them, such as: you can "catch gay", all gay & bi men are promiscuous , they all take it in the ass, they all like musical theater, and just pick a stereotype.

As a friend of mine says: When you point that finger at someone, three fingers are pointing back at yourself.

 

[Durango95]

I'm a guy and I like guys. I personally like everything about men. I like the way they walk, talk, laugh, grunt, smell, just everything. We are talking about bodies we find attractive. Bodies we find unattractive are going to get the same response from either sex, revulsion.

Gay men are generally more shallow about looks than straight women. I'll go that far. Straight men are pretty shallow about other guys looks too. Yes, straight men do look at other guys. If they say they don't they are lying. Go to any gym and observe the free weight area. Watch the guys. They are checking out each other constantly.

Straight guys are pretty forgiving about a woman's looks if she's giving pussy. It sometimes astounds me how very average girls will have these super hot guys just because they are a spreadlegs. If the same super hot guy was gay there is no way he'd be with a commensurately average gay guy. I mean no f**king way.

 

[travis82]

So the guy shouldn't have exposed himself on stage, but the reactions from the female judges were a bit too extreme.

Especially Paula, she looks like she have seen something grotesque.

Are Women really that appalled by the penis that they feel sick and need to vomit upon seeing it?

 

[travis82]

Bullshit, more bullshit, and more bullshit on top of that. I really wonder how gay men make all these judgments? Before some of you go making ignorant statements with the broad generalizations that have no basis whatsoever, think about how gay & bi men have had similar ignorance thrown on them, such as: you can "catch gay", all gay & bi men are promiscuous , they all take it in the ass, they all like musical theater, and just pick a stereotype.

As a friend of mine says: When you point that finger at someone, three fingers are pointing back at yourself.

Sorry, but I said "women in general" and "most women". I didn't said "All women are like that"


I wouldn't mind if you said "most gay men are promiscuous" or "most gay men like musical theater".


There's a huge difference between the word "Most" and "All".

 

[jdbadboy]

I'm glad I didn't get in the way of how the comments have gone thus far on this thread. The reason I asked the question was because there are so many anti-gay marriage women wondering why a man would fall for another man. Their reasons are because they think of men as stupid, gross, hairy, smelly, barbaric creatures with penises that are ugly, veiny, musky, disgusting things. Don't even ask them to talk about the male ass. That type of woman may be okay with seeing the male ass in a pair of jeans, but please don't show it naked. The many women that I have lived around in the mid-west (explains a lot, I'm sure) talk as though they really hate men, and only put up with them because they wanted to become a mother.

Your statement doesn't even measure up to anecdotal evidence. I think women and men who oppose gay marriage do so for the reasons they most often state: religious beliefs.

 

[travis82]

I think we all can agree that he should not have exposed himself on stage. That said, the way they reacted reflects womens general attitude toward the male body. It goes beyond inappropriateness. They are grotesqued by the male body.

A woman exposing herself in public like that will get surprises by men, but I doubt anyone will react the way the female judges reacted.

Totally agree with everything you said, bro.

This video may be a joke, but it clearly explains that in the REAL world, men and women are just so different. Most women are just not as sexual or horny creatures as men.


I am so glad and relief that I'm a gay man.


To all the straight/ bisexual men out there ; good luck to dealing with your ever moody, emotional girlfriends/wives who always complains of "headaches" or comes up with all sorts of excuses when you demanded sex.

 

[MasonJay]

Your statement doesn't even measure up to anecdotal evidence. I think women and men who oppose gay marriage do so for the reasons they most often state: religious beliefs.

I guess I disagree with you and that is fine. If was just religious beliefs and nothing else, I guess my question wouldn't be appropriate, but why is it that the type of person I described will say that they are against it for religious reasons, but then launch into what makes men so gross and unfit for relationships? This is why I asked my original question, but I tend to leave questions more open ended in order to capture more possibilities.