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Suicide by SWAT?

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There's a conjecture I hear bandied about every now and then after a mass shooting: that the shooter(s) never planned to live through their killing spree, that in essence they intended it to be a "suicide by SWAT", with SWAT standing for whoever responds. I've never actually seen it taken seriously, but now an associate professor of criminology at Hamline University has suggested that having armed responders on the scene as standard operating procedure may actually attract these killers. At the same time the research behind this conclusion points to a desire for revenge, to strike back at people they perceived as treating them badly not just occasionally but consistently over time.
Of course the mental health issue gets touched on, with mention of a need for psychologists in schools. But the U.S. has something like 135,000 school districts, so a psychologist in every district, assuming a salary of $60k, would mean an added cost for education of over $8 billion dollars. Yet it isn't just any schools; shooters are predominantly high school students, and out of 135,000 school districts there are only about 26,000 high schools (including over 2,000 private ones) and around 40,000 in the middle school or junior high school category, for a total around 66,000 schools, so if we just focused on individual schools the cost drops to a total just under $4 billion.

An article that has most of this information is here: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762

One thought about the point that most school shooters are intending to achieve "suicide by SWAT" is that if true then the only thing that any armed responder can do is grant that wish before the shooter attacks more students, so armed responders don't do a thing to deter, they actually serve as a point encouraging the would-be killers. That suggests that the better option would be these:
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It may look like some steam-punk heat-ray weapon, but in actuality it's a net gun -- not for shooting the internet, and not what's left after you eliminate the gross guns, it's a gun that shoots a net, or to be accurate it shoots three to five (usually four) projectiles that spread and drag a net, and when the net stops once it has hit the target the projectiles serve to wrap the net around the target. This eliminates mobility, is likely to knock the target over, and makes holding or pointing anything a problem for the captive. If he knows he's going to get netted and not shot, a would-be shooter might just decide that would be too humiliating.

There are a number of brands but they all look pretty much alike. They generally use a standard small CO2 cylinder, the type easily held in one hand and used for some air pistols. The cost is about $2 if you buy bulk, which makes them a little bit expensive to practice with -- though so is real ammunition, and you don't need ear protection with these!

There's at least one brand that operates off a shotgun round (without the shot); it has greater range pus at equal ranges more "capture power". I've heard of one that uses four .22lr cartridges; the idea strikes me as depending too much on a mechanism to make sure they all go off at the very same moment (though it turns out to be the cheapest in terms of cost per shot for practicing).

All of them in the size meant for animals our size launch and fly faster than anyone can run, so even if a would-be shooter decides he doesn't really want to kill people after all and tries to flee, one of these will catch him.

Though for taking down a high school student, this compact job ought to suffice:

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It's meant for stray dogs and other animals, but works on humans and it's easy to carry.

I have mixed thoughts about the idea, though on the whole the notion of taking away a killer's "going out in glory" away is appealing all by itself.

BTW, they're not cheap; the one I used for an illustration runs over $3k US, but then it's meant to be able to take down full-grown elk. Its 'baby brother' is meant for deer, coyotes, wolves -- things human-sized, so probably the better model for this purpose, and its cost is between about $700 and $1k, comparable to a good deer rifle.
 
I would have thought that shooting to disarm would be more logical than shoot to kill.
But that doesn't seem to be thinking
Here in the UK many police officers carry Tasers, very much like the things you are advocating
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser

I think the reason Suicide By Swat is a thing is that by the time someone gets to the stage of going on an armed rampage they don't want to be around to see the carnage. I guess it is sort of like the Thelma 7 Louise ending
 
I would have thought that shooting to disarm would be more logical than shoot to kill.
But that doesn't seem to be thinking
Here in the UK many police officers carry Tasers, very much like the things you are advocating
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser

I think the reason Suicide By Swat is a thing is that by the time someone gets to the stage of going on an armed rampage they don't want to be around to see the carnage. I guess it is sort of like the Thelma 7 Louise ending
"Shooting to disarm" is a TV and movie fantasy.

Tasers have other issues†. But catching a shooter in a net would not just mean getting caught rather than killed, it wouldmean getting caught in a humiliating way that would be likely to go on TV news and talk shows. These guys almost all want some kind of fame' humuliation might be a deterrent.


† one is that there's no way to know how the target will react. I actually watched a guy get hit with two tasers, something that should take down a small horse, and he just laughed and yelled, "Bring it!!!" One officer had a back-up taser, but three tasers still didn't take him down. What got him finally was an officer from a second car arriving and one of the cops circle the house and came up behind the guy, knocking him over with a sweep to the backs of the knees. That did the trick; with three tasers he might have been able to retain balance and stand, but getting up of the ground require a bit more coordination and he couldn't do it.
Then there was an old guy police hit with a taser when the guy wouldn't calm down in a mall (he was waving his arms and yelling enough to scare people), and it took him down permanently: the electrical charge screwed up his pacemaker and sent his heart into arrhythmia and palpitations such that it was barely pumping blood. He didn't survive even until the ambulance arrived (though a medical guy said it wouldn't have been possible to save him anyway because it would have taken too long to get him somewhere that the pacemaker could be reset).

Those are just two of too many.
 
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