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Super Saturday: Bernie Wins Kansas, likely to win Nebraska

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Hillary Clinton is taking time off campaigning to 'fund-raise' in California because Bernie raised $42 million last month while Clinton - even with her lobbyist fueled super-pac and wall street special interest money barely managed to raise $30 million.

Bernie won the Kansas caucuses today and is likely to win Nebraska, if Sanders wins Michigan on Tuesday its lights out for the Clinton campaign. But if Clinton manages to escape another political disaster, the campaigns march on. The question is, will Hillary even be there?
 
Interesting that we don't have any numbers yet so we don't know the percentages in Kansas. Fortunately, Hillary will most likely win by a large enough number in LA to wipe out any small gains he may make from KS.
 
LuvFindsAndyHardy said:
Interesting that we don't have any numbers yet so we don't know the percentages in Kansas. Fortunately, Hillary will most likely win by a large enough number in LA to wipe out any small gains he may make from KS.
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LOL politics are not a zero sum game. I wouldn't want that attitude around me if I just lost another critically important contest.
 
evanrick said:
if Sanders wins Michigan on Tuesday its lights out for the Clinton campaign.
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I'm a big Sanders guy, and I want him in the White House.

BUT...let's get real...he wins Michigan. That is not lights out yet for Clinton. Not even close.

With only two candidates, it's almost blatantly obvious that one candidate will get a majority of the delegates. In that case, is there even a Democratic Convention? Or is that where the super-delegates "do their thing"?

Do you REALLY think she's going to throw it all away just because she loses Michigan...which isn't (I DON'T THINK) even a winner-take-all delegates state?

No matter what my preferred candidate does, I want to remain "real" and look at what can most likely be expected. Anything else, getting what could be false hopes, is definitely harder to deal with (for me) so that, in the end, I at least "hoped" the best that I could, without excessively hoping for things that might be pie-in-the-sky.

How many of the states, if any, are winner-take-all delegates for the Democrats, and why isn't this uniform state to state anyway??? We both/all know that the Republican primary & caucus states are a mix of winner-take-all, and some form of proportionality.
 
evanrick said:
LOL politics are not a zero sum game. I wouldn't want that attitude around me if I just lost another critically important contest.
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She didn't even campaign there. At the end of the day it's all about the delegate count and you know it.
 
frankfrank said:
I'm a big Sanders guy, and I want him in the White House.

BUT...let's get real...he wins Michigan. That is not lights out yet for Clinton. Do you REALLY think she's going to throw it all away just because she loses Michigan...which isn't (I DON'T THINK) even a winner-take-all delegates state?

How many of the states, if any, are winner-take-all delegates for the Democrats, and why isn't this uniform state to state anyway??? We both/all know that the Republican primary & caucus states are a mix of winner-take-all, and some form of proportionality.
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I get that, but for Sanders campaign and a lot of people supporting him, a unlikely win in Michigan- no matter how small would do even more damage to Clinton than her blowout in New Hampshire. The Clinton campaign is on life support because they have taken many voters for granted and cant keep up in fundraising. Bad polling vs republicans, no money, and a loss would not bode well for them. OTOH if Clinton can escape disaster the campaigns simply continue on, the question is, how much time will Hillary have to waste making pit stops to beg her wealthy donors for more cash?
 
^ There IS that (OK, I was pointing to evanrick #8, and that INVADER BenDan snuck in between the posts, ha ha hee hee :wave:). It's more than just pure math that's involved. A Sanders win would reflect PERCEPTIONS, and could affect the momentum.

But as much as I badly yearn for a Sanders presidency, I'm still not convinced I have the stomach and the emotional CONSTITUTION (see what I did?) to ride out such an extraordinarily brutal Campaign Summer/Fall with hammer-and-sickle memes displayed spectrally across virtually all media, and even on lawns, etc.
 
LuvFindsAndyHardy said:
She didn't even campaign there. At the end of the day it's all about the delegate count and you know it.
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well yes that is what HRC is counting on, superdelegates, that and crony-capitalism cash from wall street, her super pac and individual donor base that is half the size of Sanders. the clinton campaign is also hoping people remain ignorant about Ted Cruz destroying her in a general election. as long as clinton supporters remain in the dark about their candidates general election chances, the better for the clinton campaign and the worse off democrats will be.

with Ted Cruz looking like he may be the GOP nominee if not trump, i expect sanders to capitalized heavily on this development. the same reason his campaign has excitement and HRC a rusty establishment figure.
 
frankfrank said:
^ There IS that (OK, I was pointing to evanrick #8, and that INVADER BenDan snuck in between the posts, ha ha hee hee :wave:). It's more than just pure math that's involved. A Sanders win would reflect PERCEPTIONS, and could change momentum.

But as much as I badly yearn for a Sanders presidency, I'm still not convinced I have the stomach and the emotional CONSTITUTION (see what I did?) to ride out such an extraordinarily brutal Campaign Summer/Fall with hammer-and-sickle memes displayed spectrally across virtually all media, and even on lawns, etc.
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don't be a drama queen ;)

compared to the republicans this is pitty pat

Bernie isn't going anywhere except to the convention - if not as the nominee then as a power broker to keep Hillary honest

if left to her own devices Hillary will not push as hard
 
BenDan said:
don't be a drama queen ;)

compared to the republicans this is pitty pat

Bernie isn't going anywhere except to the convention - if not as the nominee then as a power broker to keep Hillary honest

if left to her own devices Hillary will not push as hard
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clinton wont push as hard, and people have a hard time believing anything clinton land puts out because its been so far off base with the attacks on Sanders. HRC says raise the minimum wage but the Clinton campaign is always filled with the BUT.......they wont bring any democrats with in November. Clinton campaign is running a scam on democratic primary voters.
 
So weird to see TWO states, now, that have Cruz and Sanders winning. No other two major candidates (out of all such candidates in my LIFETIME, not just 2016) could possibly be any more different.

OK, maybe George Wallace might have been more "different" than one of these - but actually I think Cruz is likely "farther away" from Bernie than even Wallace was, so my second sentence still stands.
 
evanrick said:
well yes that is what HRC is counting on, superdelegates
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No, she's 200 delegates up even without those. Bernie's wins in Nebraska and Kansas are going to do nothing to close that gap when balanced against the massive blowout that's happening in Louisiana.
 
frankfrank said:
How many of the states, if any, are winner-take-all delegates for the Democrats, and why isn't this uniform state to state anyway??? We both/all know that the Republican primary & caucus states are a mix of winner-take-all, and some form of proportionality.
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All Democratic primaries will be proportional this year.
 
Evanrick, I loathe Hillary but her royal ass is still in the driver's seat. Hillary Clinton's campaign is nowhere near life support... she had a couple of hiccups but a win in Louisiana easily does the trick to make it all better. A close battle in Michigan would wipe the smug smile from the entitled one and it could be a spark to a shocking comeback by the boy from Brooklyn but then it all depends on March 15 and some big primary states there. If Bernie can't touch Hillary then, nothing will matter because Hilary's lead will be insurmountable and the superdelegates committed to her won't have any reason to bolt. Right now though, the rose colored glasses you are wearing are definitely the wrong prescription.
 
In Democratic contests, Hillary Clinton scored a commanding victory in Louisiana, the state with the most delegates in play on Saturday, while Senator Bernie Sanders won the Nebraska and Kansas caucuses, according to The Associated Press. The results did not alter the contours of a race in which Mrs. Clinton maintains a significant delegate lead.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/06/us/politics/primary-elections.html

So nothing really of note happened.
 
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