Survey : human origins

[Kulindahr]

Have they located heaven - or hell - yet? What about Dante's Inferno? Advise soonest.

Parallel universes. For Hell, the constants are adjusted a bit toward HEAT.

 

[Lefty]

Zoli,

I don't recognise the image... are you sure he is in the upper echelon of the faith

or actually an acolyte? I am weak in historic religion, I draw most of my

conclusions on observation and then how/if they fit together in any logical patterns.

I don't claim to be right, just submitting a thesis statement for consideration.

 

[gaystorm]

I am not looking for something quick. I want someone to show proof of how humans have evolved since we came into being. Creating language and finding survival do not count. All animals do that.

 

[Kulindahr]

I believe all life started in the oceans as amino acids and eventually moved to the land. Over many millions of years evolution continued and we evolved into what we are today. If you read Origin of Species by Charles Darwin (most boring book on earth but certainly thorough and well researched) it explains evolution very well.

Go back a step: amino acids and other necessary pieces are found in comets.

 

[Kulindahr]

I was going to quote, but there are too many people I want to be talking to. So. I never said that it was a Higher Power who watches us. In Hinduism, Brahma only created the Earth and does not watch over the people. If you want to call a higher power absent, perhaps you do not wish to have complete free will. That sounds a bit blaming. I am not judging, not am I being rude, I am explaining. Honestly, if we did evolve according to that chat, what caused it to stop? I believe there is a lot we could be needing for evolution for many reasons. Golbal warming being one of them. Shouldnt we be mutants by now? There are cracks in evolution theory. I am not saying thingsnever evolve, though. Fish and frogs have been known to do so. However, I just cannot believe for one second everything is random. Everything happens for a reason.

It didn't. It's generally just a little too slow for humans to notice.

Oh -- we are mutants.

 

[Kulindahr]

Anybody stop to consider that modern science and medicine

may have had a delaying factor on our evolutionary pattern?

Either 'Mother Nature' planned for this or she was blind-sided

and hasn't recovered yet.

No, no, no -- this spreading and multiplying is how Mother Nature sets us up for some new development. Somewhere in our midst are genes already present to survive the next big change on the planet. The rest of us won't make it, and they'll be the wave of the future.

 

[WillMc88]

I am not looking for something quick. I want someone to show proof of how humans have evolved since we came into being. Creating language and finding survival do not count. All animals do that.

Seriously, google it. You'll find pages upon pages of evidence for what you're asking. The only reason you wouldn't do so is if you really don't want to understand it and remain ignorant.

 

[Kulindahr]

I am so sorry my science classes had more real facts to teach us and ways to figure out problems that actually matter. While this all is interesting, evolution and the big bang are not based in any hard facts at all. Not that I can call my belief a hard fact either, but I have felt my higher power help me out. I feel sorry for you all because you think that when you are dead you are dead. If I am ignorant to human evolution since we have come from monkey relitives, instead of just harping on me, perhaps you can lead me to where science says these changes happened. Oh my heck! That is such a wild idea.

There's no doubt at all of the Big Bang; the evidence is indisputable. We're still in it -- to abuse an old early rock song, "The Bang goes on".

The only question is what made it "bang".

 

[Adrock-JD]

I don't believe anything I read and only half of what I see.

 

[Kulindahr]

To (finally) address the original question:

I find it stupid both scientifically and theologically. The scientific has been covered tolerably well, so I'll cover the theological:

GENESIS 1 WAS NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY.​

 

[zoltanspawn]

Zoli, I don't recognise the image... are you sure he is in the upper echelon of the faith or actually an acolyte?

The upper echelons (when there are echelons) of his kind of faith (itinerants) may have a tent and students, but they are just as likely to be solitary, naked or alone.

 

[Lefty]

Thus, they do not fit the criteria for major religions or even heartily embraced schools of thought.

http://www.adherents.com/images/rel_pie.gif

 

[bankside]

(Caveat : not entirely sure it belongs to Hot Topics, but the politics sub forum seems so much about Romney/Obama recently, and this subject is broader than that.)

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I was quite appalled by the large number (46%) of American who answered to the poll about the origin of mankind by the choice of utter direct creation by God some 10 000 years ago

What do you think of that ?

I think that a third world country with money is not the same thing as a first world country.

I think my skepticism of populism is well-founded.

And the problem somehow has to be contained.

 

[gaystorm]

No. I wont go google it because you all are such experts on the subject I want you to teach me. What kind of person says something IS a fact and will not show how they know it is a fact? Because it is not a fact?

 

[zoltanspawn]

Thus, they do not fit the criteria for major religions or even heartily embraced schools of thought.

http://www.adherents.com/images/rel_pie.gif

Several million of them, regarded as a regular component of the faith by the fourth largest slice of that pie?

 

[bankside]

No. I wont go google it because you all are such experts on the subject I want you to teach me. What kind of person says something IS a fact and will not show how they know it is a fact? Because it is not a fact?

This is where I will interject with my usual plea to understand the meaning of the word "theory" and the meaning of the word "fact."

A theory is an idea made up by people to explain the relationship between facts.

The Galapagos islands are filled with a whole buch of similar species, each of which keeps to its own, and each of which has found a slightly different way of surviving there with different kinds of food, different kinds of nesting sites, etc.

Science and religion share these facts. The birds are there whether you believe in god or gods or none.

What is different is the theory made up by each group to explain it. Creationists think some supernatural being named God just put all these different species there, as a magician pulls a rabbit out of a hat. Scientists think that all those different species would have, if you go back far enough, great great great great great (etc many more 'greats') grandparents from some common species that use to exist back in the day.

Why are all the great great great (etc) grandchildren so different now that they have all split into different species that have nothing to do with each other? Because all of those original birds nested in different parts of the islands. Different flowers. Different weather. Different predators. After tens of thousands of generations, those conditions nudge apart one species into several. Many lines will have gone extinct. Others will coexist but no longer able to interbreed.

Since the facts are the same, we only have to make up our minds about who invented the better theory. A theory that can predict what will happen has got something going for it. Evolutionary theory can do that. With your own lab and some fast-breeding fruit flies, you can actually provide the nudge to divide a species in two over a number of generations. You can also try it yourself at home. Get an infection. Only take your antibiotics for a day or two and then let your health run down again. Then another day of antibiotics. Then repeat. After a month or two you will have bread your very own new species of bacteria that can't be killed by the antibiotic! Neato!

As a control, you could then try praying for salvation to see if that works.

At that point you'll probably have some direct knowledge of which theory is more complete.

 

[mikey3000]

Sorry but I can't totally believe in the evolution theory. I really do believe in in the divine, of intelligent design somewhere too. I've seen too much perfection and beauty in this world for it to be just an accident. I believe miracles happen every day.

 

[Lefty]

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[EastMed]

We were all born in Kenya.

 

[gaystorm]

This is where I will interject with my usual plea to understand the meaning of the word "theory" and the meaning of the word "fact."

A theory is an idea made up by people to explain the relationship between facts.

The Galapagos islands are filled with a whole buch of similar species, each of which keeps to its own, and each of which has found a slightly different way of surviving there with different kinds of food, different kinds of nesting sites, etc.

Science and religion share these facts. The birds are there whether you believe in god or gods or none.

What is different is the theory made up by each group to explain it. Creationists think some supernatural being named God just put all these different species there, as a magician pulls a rabbit out of a hat. Scientists think that all those different species would have, if you go back far enough, great great great great great (etc many more 'greats') grandparents from some common species that use to exist back in the day.

Why are all the great great great (etc) grandchildren so different now that they have all split into different species that have nothing to do with each other? Because all of those original birds nested in different parts of the islands. Different flowers. Different weather. Different predators. After tens of thousands of generations, those conditions nudge apart one species into several. Many lines will have gone extinct. Others will coexist but no longer able to interbreed.

Since the facts are the same, we only have to make up our minds about who invented the better theory. A theory that can predict what will happen has got something going for it. Evolutionary theory can do that. With your own lab and some fast-breeding fruit flies, you can actually provide the nudge to divide a species in two over a number of generations. You can also try it yourself at home. Get an infection. Only take your antibiotics for a day or two and then let your health run down again. Then another day of antibiotics. Then repeat. After a month or two you will have bread your very own new species of bacteria that can't be killed by the antibiotic! Neato!

As a control, you could then try praying for salvation to see if that works.

At that point you'll probably have some direct knowledge of which theory is more complete.

Before you reply to me, please look at all I have said. I have not said God created the earth. I do not know if it was God. It might have been Brahma, Cronus, Gaia, El,Atum, or a turtle pulling up land that i suggest as a higher power.