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Survey : human origins

As for the topic at hand: A problem that the polls do not address and seems to be ignored is that the evolution/creationism debate has been politicized. Once that happens, truth is usually the first victim...

RG
 
palbert said:
Have they located heaven - or hell - yet? What about Dante's Inferno? Advise soonest.
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Heaven is in your arms.

Hell is in Michigan, in Livingston County northwest of Ann Arbor.

Dante's Inferno is in my local library.

See, I was able to locate all three of them without any help at all, LOL.
 
Congratulations Robin,

Your abilities to parse partial thoughts and to reconstruct them to
say nothing but do it eloquently must serve you well in Sacramento.

Are you by chance on Governor Moonbeams (ex wanna be Franciscan
monk) personal staff or hold a position in his administration. Just one
example of your text twisting would be regarding ritual scarification. I
did not imply that the policy was a modern invention and I fail to see
where "modern communication' is relevant.

Your point as to the originators of the religions being impoverished is
quite accurate...sadly the advocates following failed to maintain that
asceticism. Yes, I empathize with the plight of the pope and his palatial
quarters world wide, the pope mobiles, private fleet of aircraft and his
unlimited supply of attendants.

No sandbox fracas here please, let us be gentlemen and simply agree to disagree.
 
Oh my....this thread quickly turned into a clusterfuck....I don't even know what the argument is anymore...
 
Telstra said:
LOL, are you having fun with this comment or serious?

I believe god design human perfectly too ;)
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Oh no, I'm not teasing you. I believe very strongly in God, in intelligent design and a hereafter.
 
mikey3000 said:
Oh no, I'm not teasing you. I believe very strongly in God, in intelligent design and a hereafter.
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Intelligent design to me means God carefully chose the constants for the universe and turned them loose. Along the way He poked His finger in to get a few things here and there to come out a certain way.
 
Survey: composition of standard ordinary atmospheric air.

What do you feel to be the true percentage of nitrogen in the air?

Discuss.
 
gaystorm said:
I am so sorry, but that site says nothing of what I am asking for. I want to hear something besides how we are closely related to apes. It is interesting reading all the evolution ideas here because none of you guys seem to fully agree. A Creationist will always agree with another one so long as his religion is the same. Yes, I am young. Science and hisory are my two worst subjects and this was not something we talked about. The way some of you talk about science makes it seem like nothing is defined. When I say theory, I look at it like psychology. There is no proof that a man wants his mother sexually. I do not think we ever evolved, we learned to adapt and survive.
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Then watch the videos. I'm sorry if you don't understand what a scientific theory is. It's not something with "no proof."

theory
the·o·ry
1.
a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena.

A theory is the explanation for phenomena that is strongly backed up by facts and evidence. Ever heard of Gravitational Theory? What about Germ Theory or Gene Theory? Guess what, those are all scientific theories that are firmly supported by evidence, just like the Theory of Evolution by natural selection. Evolution is a fact by the way. It has been observed.

Finally. Someone who makes sense.
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If you're only interested in listening to someone who tells you what you want to hear, then this is a waste of my time.
 
gaystorm said:
I am so sorry, but that site says nothing of what I am asking for. I want to hear something besides how we are closely related to apes. It is interesting reading all the evolution ideas here because none of you guys seem to fully agree. A Creationist will always agree with another one so long as his religion is the same. Yes, I am young. Science and hisory are my two worst subjects and this was not something we talked about. The way some of you talk about science makes it seem like nothing is defined. When I say theory, I look at it like psychology. There is no proof that a man wants his mother sexually. I do not think we ever evolved, we learned to adapt and survive.

Forgive Giai. She was just the earth goddess.

I do agree with DigitalFudge about evolution not being mans origin.
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Where to start. "I do not think we ever evolved, we learned to adapt and survive". That is what evolution is. At a biological level, species adapt over generations into the form best suited to its environment. Individuals do not evolve as such. Evolution comes with the following generations, tens of thousands of generations, not just two or three. The changes are infinitesimally small from one generation to the next. There will be minor cosmetic differences, you might be taller or shorter than your father or have different coloured hair for example, but there will be nothing to set you apart as being of a new species.

"When I say theory, I look at it like psychology. There is no proof that a man wants his mother sexually." While it is nice for you to have your own definition of 'theory' it doesn't help the issue at hand when your chosen definition is completely different to the one scientists use when referring to evolution. I'm sure there are many documented cases of men wanting to have sex with their mother, and in some cases, actually having acheived their desire. You might as well say you don't believe the Mr Tiddles is a cat because your definition of a cat is what everyone else thinks is a bottle of milk. The reason science is so good at explaining things is because the rules have been put in place so that we compare like with like using the same criteria. That is what is defined in science, however as knowledge progresses, once accepted notions can be proved wrong (either in full or in part). The great thing with science is that, as long as the evidence is there for all to see, knew knowledge can be absorbed into the canon - for example the discovery that Brontosaurus didn't exist - the fossil originally identified as the then unknown species, Brontosaurus was later found to be a misidentified Apatasaurus. Creationism does the opposite - it twists knowledge to suit its own agenda (have you seen Ray Comfort's banana video - hilarious - he tries to claim the bananas we eat as a food perfectly created by God to fit human hands and mouths, ignoring the fact that the bananas we eat are the result of cross breeding of other banana varieties, most of which are inedible to humans).

What we recognise as human civilisation has been around for less than 50,000 years. Scientific methods which have given us the knowledge we have about the world around us are only a few hundred years old. Explaining that which we did not understand by saying 'God did it', used to make sense back when we lacked the knowledge and reasoning power to determine otherwise. That excuse no longer holds water. To say 'God did it' in this day and age is no better than saying Santa brought your presents last Christmas.
 
A superb illustration of evolution that I recall from a college course is something that is actual, in real life.

Around the edge of the Atlantic Ocean, on the European side stretching over to Greenland (IIRC), there's a kind of bird. It originally lived solely in a Mediterranean climate, but for some reason a number of members of this species moved north. The two populations diverged somewhat, but remain able to interbreed, so there was no new species. Then for some reason some of the northern group moved farther north. Again there was divergence, but these could still interbreed with the original population, so it was still the same species.

But when some of these birds again moved north, the divergence this time was enough that the latest population could no longer interbreed with the original population. This posed a dilemma: by the interbreeding rule, this population -- call them D -- was now a different species than the first -- call them A. Yet both A and D could interbreed with the two populations in between -- B and C.

The process continued until there was a population in the vicinity of Greenland. All the way along the chain, the birds could interbreed with neighbors, but in no case could they interbreed more than two populations away. So the final population could no longer interbreed with any population with which A could interbreed. By definition, they had become different species.

The process was simple: as birds moved into new territory, some characteristics of the original population became less useful, and eventually useless -- and the genes for those were lost. On the other hand, characteristics of marginal use became more important, and those genes thrived. And probably somewhere along the line a mutation or three occurred that were useful in the cooler climate, so those survived. The result was genomes sufficiently different that new species were formed.

That's evolution in action.
 
Oh My God...

John meets Mary

Biology...

John and Mary want to Fuck

Creationisn/Conception...

Johns Sperm hooks up with Marys egg

Evolution...

The child is part of but not completely John or Mary

and thats when the God thing steps in.
 
The problem is that no one os showing evolution facts. Okay, if you are defining evolution by trying to survive and adapt, then I do not believe that humans coming from ape family would be evolution. There was no survival reason to become human. I liked the ape family picture, but there was never facts to show how scientists got all that info. That is what I have been asking for.
 
No survival reason? I'm not sure I understand your question.

It is important to keep in mind that survival is not all or nothing. It's "slightly better" vs. "slightly worse." That's why evolution happens so gradually and why it usually takes hundreds of thousands or millions of years.
 
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