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Survey : human origins

The problem is that no one os showing evolution facts. Okay, if you are defining evolution by trying to survive and adapt, then I do not believe that humans coming from ape family would be evolution. There was no survival reason to become human. I liked the ape family picture, but there was never facts to show how scientists got all that info. That is what I have been asking for.

Did you read my post? That's evolution observed, at least the final steps of that chain. Tiny step by tiny step.

I also once read that in bomb craters in Britain after WWII, plants grew that had never been seen before. Botanists decided that seeds present at the bombing had been mutated by heat and blast.
I've never been able to confirm that with an on-line source, though.
 
The problem is that no one os showing evolution facts. Okay, if you are defining evolution by trying to survive and adapt, then I do not believe that humans coming from ape family would be evolution. There was no survival reason to become human. I liked the ape family picture, but there was never facts to show how scientists got all that info. That is what I have been asking for.

How they got the info? Fossils, for the most part. They used to be arranged by body form and structure, but these days DNA is used when it's available from fossils. They've had to redo the classification system here and there because of that.
 
The problem is that no one os showing evolution facts. Okay, if you are defining evolution by trying to survive and adapt, then I do not believe that humans coming from ape family would be evolution. There was no survival reason to become human. I liked the ape family picture, but there was never facts to show how scientists got all that info. That is what I have been asking for.
There's plenty of DNA evidence, as well as fossils. What kind of proof are you looking for?

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No survival reason? I'm not sure I understand your question.
He's basically asking why humans look like humans and not like apes since Kulindahr's post about migratory birds seems to suggest that evolution occurs as a survival mechanism for species. Fossil records and genetic sequencing are irrelevant.

To me evolution isn't just about looks. It's also about personality, culture, language and internal changes. I actually just finished watching a documentary about the Dutch during the war and how their food supply was removed. The effect that had on unborn babies in the womb seems to have genetically affected descendents to this day in terms of how their bodies store fat and sugar.
 
I have a hard time with fossels because time could change them to look like things were different than they were. They could be incest babies that were dwarfs. I guess I am not getting anything out of this because you keep using animal groups that are not apes to show evolution. That does not help at all.

My other question would be, were did that first life come from then?
 
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The problem is that no one os showing evolution facts. Okay, if you are defining evolution by trying to survive and adapt, then I do not believe that humans coming from ape family would be evolution. There was no survival reason to become human. I liked the ape family picture, but there was never facts to show how scientists got all that info. That is what I have been asking for.

Stop being such a lazy child and do a bit of simple research and reading for yourself. You are sitting at a computer, try Googling up some of the vast numbers of websites which will show you all the evidence you want. It is unfortunate that a lot of the evidence is very complicated and difficult to understand, but that's why we have smart people doing science instead of priests. You say you want facts to back up evolution (but can't be arsed to actually look them up) but you are happy to accept the completely fact-free teachings of Biblical creationism. Open your eyes, take your fingers out of your ears and stop shoulting 'La-la-la-la-la' and you might learn a thing or two.
 
I have a hard time with fossels because time could change them to look like things were different than they were. They could be incest babies that were dwarfs.
What the hell are you talking about? You think that the only examples of life which were ever fossilised were the mutated freaks? That is possibly one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

I guess I am not getting anything out of this because you keep using animal groups that are not apes to show evolution. That does not help at all.

My other question would be, were did that first life come from then?
This one is still not fully resolved. There are a number of possible sources from which the earliest forms of life may have emerged. God waving his magic wand isn't one of them.
 
I have a hard time with fossels because time could change them to look like things were different than they were. They could be incest babies that were dwarfs. I guess I am not getting anything out of this because you keep using animal groups that are not apes to show evolution. That does not help at all.

My other question would be, were did that first life come from then?

Wait -- how is time going to change them? Fossils tend to be within single layers of deposition, even in most catastrophic deposits -- about the only exception I can think of is a sudden volcanic event, but often that doesn't leave fossils so much as fossil casts or cavities.

Even if time could change them, there are obvious controls, because very few fossil species have been found in just one place, so to get any changes you're going to have to posit a geological event or process across a huge area that results in the identical deformation everywhere. Since fossils are found in all sorts of orientations, that's so unlikely as to have a probability effectively zero. So given geological processes, we know that the forms are unchanged, and thus that what we're looking at in the fossil record are accurate representations of the creatures themselves.

The notion that malformed individuals make up the fossils used to show evolution can be easily discarded: when two or more identical fossils are found in different geographical locations, then in order for them to be something like "incest babies that were dwarfs" becomes stretched WRT credulity. When the number of fossils expands to more specimens in more places, the odds of something like that being the case drop to nil. It's a simple matter of statistics: not all members of any species were fossilized, so what we're finding is a very random sample. Malformed offspring are not common, so even if all were fossilized, they were still be few in comparison to ordinary members of a species. Yet the possibility is ludicrous in the first place, because it has been common among mammals, when it becomes plain that one offspring can't keep up and is doomed, to abandon it, at which point it will tend to be eaten, and not fossilized -- and even if not abandoned, the deformed are the most common target of predators, and again the individual won't survive in a form suitable for fossilization (nor likely in any place suitable).

As for using other animal groups to show evolution, that's because other lines are clearer. Where exactly the pieces fit in the hominid/primate line is a matter perennially under dispute. The standard procedure in science is to look at where clear evidence of something lies, and if that is found in sufficient instances, it is extrapolated to the rest. That was exactly Darwin's procedure: observing the plain descent among birds, and extrapolating to all creatures. Even to the Christian, that's an obvious procedure, because if God is faithful and not arbitrary, then the same rules will apply to all living creatures.

In the case of primate/hominid fossils, the line of descent isn't always very clear, even when dating puts the various types in chronological order. But DNA analysis is helping straighten that out, by showing how close the DNA of one kind is to another. So while it isn't plain which type descended from which with certainty, what is plain is that there is in fact a line of descent. It's something like a very complex game of Mastermind, trying to discern the order of the pegs -- without knowing for sure the number of pegs, or the number of colors.
 
A Creationist will always agree with another one so long as his religion is the same. Yes, I am young. Science and hisory are my two worst subjects and this was not something we talked about. The way some of you talk about science makes it seem like nothing is defined.

I had to go back and dredge this up when I saw it in a quote.

You're plain wrong. Creationists will not always agree with each other if their religion is the same. I knew Christian Creationists at OSU who argued constantly just about the days in Genesis 1: to some they were literal and successive 24-hour days. To others they were 24-hour days with millions of years between them. To others they were symbolic days which themselves were thousands or millions of years long.
Some maintained that Genesis 1 is a title to the account, and has no time span in it. Others maintained that "the beginning" lasted billions of years. Some maintained that the formation of the earth was instantaneous; others pointed out that it doesn't say how long "the Spirit of God meditated over the waters".
Some hold that God created all the species we have today as they are, others believe God created the basic "kinds" and let the variety develop (and others believe that many species were abandoned in the Flood, and what we have developed from the "kinds" taken on the Ark).

If "nothing is defined" in science, that's because scientists think, and constantly argue, until the arguments die and that is accepted as the way to move forward. But Creationists argue as well, and nothing there is defined, either.
 
I had to go back and dredge this up when I saw it in a quote.

You're plain wrong. Creationists will not always agree with each other if their religion is the same. I knew Christian Creationists at OSU who argued constantly just about the days in Genesis 1: to some they were literal and successive 24-hour days. To others they were 24-hour days with millions of years between them. To others they were symbolic days which themselves were thousands or millions of years long.
Some maintained that Genesis 1 is a title to the account, and has no time span in it. Others maintained that "the beginning" lasted billions of years. Some maintained that the formation of the earth was instantaneous; others pointed out that it doesn't say how long "the Spirit of God meditated over the waters".
Some hold that God created all the species we have today as they are, others believe God created the basic "kinds" and let the variety develop (and others believe that many species were abandoned in the Flood, and what we have developed from the "kinds" taken on the Ark).

If "nothing is defined" in science, that's because scientists think, and constantly argue, until the arguments die and that is accepted as the way to move forward. But Creationists argue as well, and nothing there is defined, either.

In all of that subtle debate did anyone bother asking who in the long lost sands of time actually wrote about god meditating over the water, or how he knew what he claimed to know when he was writing it, or whether what he was writing even seemed likely?

Because it sounds more like two people arguing over what time the bus arrives when the stop is actually one street over.
 
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Interesting. What is "other?"
Is that Trekkies 'n shit?

We can tape paper mitres onto our versions of the worlds' religions all we want, though such dress-up is pretend.
 
Um... Moises wrote the first five books. It was God breathed. And God quit talking to people because it freaked them out.
 
Personally,

I think this entire thread is a monumental waste of time. Pages of undocumented 'proof/opinion' et cetera

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