Survey : human origins

[Adrock-JD]

We can tape paper mitres onto our versions of the worlds' religions all we want, though such dress-up is pretend.

In my opinion most organized religion is pretending.
Pretending to know how it all began.
Pretending to know how we all should live.
Pretending to know how it all will end.

Religion is blind faith. Emotions. Comforting. Simple. Easy.

Science is questioning. Observing. Testing. Learning.

Whether one is "happier" with one vs. the other is personal opinion.

 

[Kulindahr]

Bankside asked.

Ah -- I overlooked that.


Just FYI, it's kind of customary to quote the post to which you're responding -- it helps people figure out what you have in mind.

 

[Kulindahr]

Personally,

I think this entire thread is a monumental waste of time. Pages of undocumented 'proof/opinion' et cetera

So far, nothing posted here trying to explain evolution isn't anything people shouldn't have heard in school, so I wouldn't expect any citations. If it gets more esoteric or complex, sure; then it would be appropriate to give sources, but I don't really see any need to document what should really be common knowledge.

 

[mikey3000]

I have a hard time with fossels because time could change them to look like things were different than they were. They could be incest babies that were dwarfs. I guess I am not getting anything out of this because you keep using animal groups that are not apes to show evolution. That does not help at all.

My other question would be, were did that first life come from then?

Some believe we came from another planet and traveled here on a comet. It's about as plausible as anything else.

 

[bankside]

Some believe we came from another planet and traveled here on a comet. It's about as plausible as anything else.

....except that's not the case. we can rank the plausibility of different ideas from almost certain, to plausible, to implausible, to completely unhinged.

 

[Kulindahr]

....except that's not the case. we can rank the plausibility of different ideas from almost certain, to plausible, to implausible, to completely unhinged.

Completely unhinged:

Graduate students from Betelgeuse Technical University built their own FTL sportster and went zipping about this arm of the galaxy. When they had a little drive trouble, they landed on a remote, lifeless planet to make repairs. As students will do, they snacked while working, and dropped a few items. Left behind as trash, the microscopic organisms on those bits spread and populated the planet.

 

[mikey3000]

....except that's not the case. we can rank the plausibility of different ideas from almost certain, to plausible, to implausible, to completely unhinged.

And why is that? It's about as possible, or probable than anything else being floated out there.

 

[gaystorm]

In my opinion most organized religion is pretending.
Pretending to know how it all began.
Pretending to know how we all should live.
Pretending to know how it all will end.

Religion is blind faith. Emotions. Comforting. Simple. Easy.

Science is questioning. Observing. Testing. Learning.

Whether one is "happier" with one vs. the other is personal opinion.

You have no clue what you are talking about here.

 

[bort138]

You have no clue what you are talking about here.

Says the guy that can't understand/refuses to accept evolution. Let us know when you decide to journey outside of your bubble and accept reality.

 

[gaystorm]

Religious texts are not just for spiritual purposes. They are also histories. (If you want to call it fiction, I have to say that the writer should have made it more interesting.) Anyway, all canon texts have an explaination for the beginning and guides on how to live life. However, there are only theories on how it will end. No one ever says it is going to be exactly like this or that.

 

[gaystorm]

Says the guy that can't understand/refuses to accept evolution. Let us know when you decide to journey outside of your bubble and accept reality.

Forgive me for standing strong with my Christian and Hindu beliefs. I did not turn my back on a higher power because people said I was going to hell. I am trying to avoid that.

But, whatever you say, this thread would have died days ago had I said nothing.

 

[Kulindahr]

You have no clue what you are talking about here.

You'll see a lot of that around here. We have atheists who redefine terms for their convenience.

 

[Kulindahr]

Religious texts are not just for spiritual purposes. They are also histories. (If you want to call it fiction, I have to say that the writer should have made it more interesting.) Anyway, all canon texts have an explaination for the beginning and guides on how to live life. However, there are only theories on how it will end. No one ever says it is going to be exactly like this or that.

Some are histories. Many are types of literature alien to us -- that's the case with the Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 accounts, for example. But even what was written as history doesn't necessarily match what we think of as history.

 

[Kulindahr]

Forgive me for standing strong with my Christian and Hindu beliefs. I did not turn my back on a higher power because people said I was going to hell. I am trying to avoid that.

But, whatever you say, this thread would have died days ago had I said nothing.

Christian AND Hindu? Not very compatible.

What is it in Christian teaching that you think isn't compatible with evolution?

 

[bankside]

we have christians who do that as well

My fave is the redefinion of "Christian" to exclude the billion people with wrong theology that atheists mistakenly argue against, willfully blind as they are to the handful with the correct theology....you know, the "true Christians."

 

[Adrock-JD]

You have no clue what you are talking about here.

That's your opinion. I disagree.

You'll see a lot of that around here. We have atheists who redefine terms for their convenience.

My definition of religion as made up nonsense is not a convenience, it's as strong a belief as they have in their religion.

We all have opinions and definitions to live by. Without them the world would be rather dull.

 

[bankside]

That's your opinion. I disagree.



My definition of religion as made up nonsense is not a convenience, it's as strong a belief as they have in their religion.

We all have opinions and definitions to live by. Without them the world would be rather dull.

My skepticism of religion is not my "belief" or my "opinion." It is my assessment.

To me, I reserve opinions for wine and art.

 

[gaystorm]

Christian AND Hindu? Not very compatible.

What is it in Christian teaching that you think isn't compatible with evolution?

I believe we are only talking about humans here (because I know wild animals have to adapt often). But, in Christian teaching, Adam and Eve were created by God. They had Cain, Able, and Seth. I imagine that God created more women for them to create more children with. I don't think that everything was given directly to them. I still think that people had to figure out fire and such. Anyway, there is nothing that would even come close to saying humans came from apes.

And yes, I have added Hindu on later because I believe in reincarnation because I have a hard time thinking that someone who is mentally handicapped or babies who die only get that one chance to live.

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

I imagine that God created more women for them to create more children with.

^you mean God created extra women for the boys to fuck.

damn I never heard of that but what an amazing God.

 

[Kulindahr]

we have christians who do that as well

You mean like the fundies who redefine love to mean hate?