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Survivor 27: Blood vs. Water

Too bad Cirie never won but it's the price she paid for being 1) across-the-board likable and 2) strategically savvy. They were wise to dump her before the final because castaways and viewers alike know Cirie would've prevailed in any of her 3 seasons.
 
slipintothefog said:
In fact Probst's entire justification for Danielle being a Villain on HVV was that she won that challenge and voted out Terry.
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Which is yet another example of how differently I see this game from Probst. To me, Terry was the villain who would not die, and Danielle became the awesome avenger who finally took him out. I loved how she kept running the numbers after her immunity win, realizing she couldn't beat Terry or Aras -- so she essentially had the power to pick the winner -- and she gave a good season a happy ending by picking Aras.
 
And if Terry were such an amazing hero, the male challenge whore-sympathizing viewing audience wouldn't have handed CIRIEOWNAGE a car at the reunion over him.
 
Slip or falconfan (or anyone who remembers that season better than I do) would Cirie have had the jury votes to beat Aras? Let's say Cirie won the fire challenge and Danielle had been eliminated at F4. That puts Cirie, Aras and Terry in the F3 which is a fascinating showdown because you essentially have three people who could win the game. Despite her popularity, Terry and Aras would both have to take her to the end since they'd both have too similar challenge-winning credentials (and they were both rivals). Assuming Aras won that final immunity -- because Terry was eliminated first anyway and Cirie sucked at challenges -- and he takes Cirie...how do you see the votes breaking down?
 
Without reviewing the season I can't say for certain. It would have been much closer than if Cirie had won the last challenge in Micro and went to the end with either of Parvati or Amanda I'm pretty sure. Terry and Austin were part of the "Boys Club" and I doubt they'd vote for a woman who sucked at challenges and surival to win -- Austin probably due to Terry's influence, as he didn't even vote for Danielle to win when the edit showcased them as friends. Shane's vote was anti-Aras more than pro-Danielle (with whom he constantly fought) and he would have voted for Cirie. I think Sally said she would have voted Cirie if she made it to the end. Could Cirie have gotten the other Casaya votes? Eh, maybe. But they liked Aras too.
 
While we're on the subject I actually don't think Cirie would have won Micro if it were a final three. Amanda would have Ozzy, James and Erik as locked votes. Parvati would have Natalie. Cirie would have Eliza and apparently Alexis (according to Alexis). At best that would have left Jason as the deciding vote and I would have loved to see what would happen in that 3-3-1 scenario if he'd vote for Cirie. But if he'd vote for Amanda or Parvati, Amanda would win straight-up. Eugh.

So, yeah. It sucks for Cirie but she was only winning if she won that last challenge in Micronesia as it played out. The fact that challenge even happened in the first place was a gift from the heavens to her and she still fumbled it. >_< Parvati at least made a better winner than Amanda would have...
 
Sgt Pepper said:
Which is yet another example of how differently I see this game from Probst. To me, Terry was the villain who would not die, and Danielle became the awesome avenger who finally took him out. I loved how she kept running the numbers after her immunity win, realizing she couldn't beat Terry or Aras -- so she essentially had the power to pick the winner -- and she gave a good season a happy ending by picking Aras.
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If memory serves, at the EI reunion, Jeff asked the jury if they would've voted for Terry if he were in the final and most (incl. Cirie) said they wouldn't have.
 
If Cirie played all her cards rights, she would have won, just saying
 
Aratron said:
If Cirie played all her cards rights, she would have won, just saying
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Agreed. She aligned with the wrong people OR should've blindsided the dangerous members of her brigade. Westman knew Cilie's strengths and rightly targeted her during H vs. V. The others that season I'm sure would've carried Cilie to the merge and further because they would feel like they were betraying an icon if they gave her the boot.
 
slipintothefog said:
Parvati at least made a better winner than Amanda would have...
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GOD yes I was so happy when Parvati won over Eeyore-Amanda. She's totally one of those people like Danielle Donato who I hated on their first season but came around completely to on their second season. Even on HvV where I was rooting for Sandra, I would've been happy with another Parvati win.
 
Sgt Pepper said:
Slip or falconfan (or anyone who remembers that season better than I do) would Cirie have had the jury votes to beat Aras? Let's say Cirie won the fire challenge and Danielle had been eliminated at F4. That puts Cirie, Aras and Terry in the F3 which is a fascinating showdown because you essentially have three people who could win the game. Despite her popularity, Terry and Aras would both have to take her to the end since they'd both have too similar challenge-winning credentials (and they were both rivals). Assuming Aras won that final immunity -- because Terry was eliminated first anyway and Cirie sucked at challenges -- and he takes Cirie...how do you see the votes breaking down?
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A) You and Slip are right. Danielle won the final one. THey fell Terry, Aras, and then Danielle. I was getting it switched up with the second to last immunity. Aras won that one. Terry had an immunity idol still. That meant Danielle and Cirie were the only people eligible to be voted out, thus the tie.

B) As per jury I don't know if Cirie could be Terry. He had three people from his original tribe. Cirie probably would've easily taken Aras and Danielle but Courtney (who held went after Aras for voting her out when she voted for him THE WEEK SHE WAS VOTED OUT) likely would have voted for Terry to win. Shane could've gone either way. I think she would've beaten Aras. Shane refused to vote for Aras under any scenario because basically he was bitter. In his speech he complained the two people who deserved to win (Cirie and Terry were now on the jury). Danielle could go either way but my gut says she votes for surrogate mama Cirie over Aras. Courtney's a question mark as is Terry, who hated Aras but also respected him. I think Terry's former tribe mates vote in a block and likely go to the kinder more welcoming Cirie than the young buck who was occasionally whiny.
 
Aratron said:
If Cirie played all her cards rights, she would have won, just saying
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I don't see a better way to play that season. I think her downfall comes from her lack of challenge skills. I think there's a ratio of strategy:challenge skills and despite her amazing social skills she jsut didn't have the survival skills to back it up.
 
slipintothefog said:
Parvati at least made a better winner than Amanda would have...
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Amanda's good at playing the game itself in so much as she knows when to make alliances & with who, and when to let them go, etc. but she just can't handle final TC and sell her case at all. Especially in China, I was like wtf is she doing? Just sitting there like o.o
 
BreakTheIce said:
Amanda's good at playing the game itself in so much as she knows when to make alliances & with who, and when to let them go, etc. but she just can't handle final TC and sell her case at all. Especially in China, I was like wtf is she doing? Just sitting there like o.o
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Exactly, there's something in her eyes telling I dont know what to say eveytime she opens her mouth.

Like slip, I felt the same way about parvati. when she came back for a 2nd season.
to this day she's still one of my favorite player along with sandra, Cirie, Andrea & Rob
 
Sgt Pepper said:
GOD yes I was so happy when Parvati won over Eeyore-Amanda. She's totally one of those people like Danielle Donato who I hated on their first season but came around completely to on their second season. Even on HvV where I was rooting for Sandra, I would've been happy with another Parvati win.
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I actually didn't care much about Parvati after she won Micro. I hated her in Cook Islands -- something I blame on still being a semi-casual fan back then -- and my reaction to her win was basically, "REALLY, this chick??" I blame my becoming a Parvati fan on becoming a member of Survivor Sucks (she's really popular on the sub-forum I visit the most there) and because she was AWESOME in Heroes vs. Villains. Sandra and Parvati were the best final two in anything ever, especially with how they just sat around laughing at Russell for the second half of the season.

I'd love to rewatch Micronesia to review her win. Cook Islands less so because OMG that season sounds like the biggest bore ever and I even really liked it the first time.
 
Holy LOL at RUPERT being the first boot of this season without even receiving a vote to his name. This show has truly become a carnival of ridiculous twists.
 
falconfan said:
I don't see a better way to play that season. I think her downfall comes from her lack of challenge skills. I think there's a ratio of strategy:challenge skills and despite her amazing social skills she jsut didn't have the survival skills to back it up.
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Well, she wasn't able to convince Amanda to take her to the finals, was she?

She could've stopped Amanda and Parvati of being both in the final 3 and she didn't
 
Aratron said:
She could've stopped Amanda and Parvati of being both in the final 3 and she didn't
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To be fair though, they were under the impression that a F3 format was in play. It was only at the last minute they were informed that SURPRISE, they were doing a F2 that season.
 
For those that read spoilers (I haven't yet but will do so soon), was the winner foreshadowed last night? Couldn't get a clear read.

Yep, so glad Rupert's gone. Novelty wore off years ago.
 
Yup glad Rupert was gone too.

Colton the bitch is back, but it looks like from the previews next week he has a meltdown. I really cannot tolerate him.
 
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