Survivor Gabon Cast Is Up!

[Zingerific]

Kenny said in front of everyone that Bob was in on the plan and Bob himself replied, "I was OK with doing it, but I didn't wanna laugh and humiliate him like that."

Thanks Nik2 -- that makes sense. I must have missed that. I guess I need to pay closer attention and leave speculation to the experts.

 

[Laststraw21]

Jeff Probst is bizzare. His Tribal Councils look like a focus group run by Fox News: his questions are manipulative, insipid, maudlin, self-serving, bad-mixer awkward, and just plain bad. I know reality shows like to pitch their own narrative interpretation, but he is beyond obvious about it.

His play-by-play is terrible. As an aside, I was thinking it would be hilarious to have a reincarnated Harry Carey take his place.

I agree.

I'm usually neutral with hosts of shows because they are just hosting but Jeff takes his hosting to another level and comes across as a cold person.

He did, however, seem a bit nicer in this episode during the videos.

Then again this is my first season watching and maybe he was nicer in the beginning and started losing his niceness as the seasons progressed.

 

[falconfan]

I could see that happening but there are a few reasons it may not work:

1. Uh...Bob voted against Matty too. That was the whole plan. And the person who didn't vote against Matty, thereby saving him this week? CRYSTAL.

2. We don't know where Susie stands and it's possible she sees herself as tighter with Crystal and Kenny. Bob/Matty/Sugar would need her to flip otherwise it's a 3-3 tie.

3. Bob's not a moron and it's not in his best interest at all to keep Matty. If Bob wins the next Immunity, he's better off sticking with Kenny, Crystal and Susie just for this week and booting Matty. Because in the finals Bob gets Marcus, Charlie and Corrine if he's against any combination of Susie and Crystal and (most likely) even Kenny. Randy is also more likely to forgive and forget and vote for Bob if he's sitting against any of those people but not if Matty is in the finals with him.

4. It's in Matty's best interest to vote out Bob if Bob doesn't win Immunity because Bob could totally win the final challenge and make it easy for Matty to get the boot. Also he's a big jury threat.

No, if Matty or Bob win Immunity next week, it makes more strategic sense to boot Matty or Bob first. The problem is, I can see Bob coming to this conclusion, but Matty might be emotional enough to vote against Kenny regardless.

Bob is allowed to vote for Matty. He's not in an alliance with him. Matty won't mind that. It's expected. And I made no statement of who Bob should vote with I just said he should rat them out and he should... causing a divide between Matty, Sugar, Susie and Kenny/Crystal is without a doubt in his best interest. No matter which side he wants to work with he needs to fracture them.

 

[falconfan]

Well, if that's Ken's best chance, I hope Bob ends up winning the immunity.

But I also didn't understand the scolding from Bob. Obviously it was going to get some laughs and if he wanted to prevent it from happening, he could had let Randy just get voted off without the whole hoax but he went through with it so deal with it.

Don't kid yourself. Bob winning immunity is not Ken's best chance. Bob winning immunity will result in Ken getting a fake idol.

 

[falconfan]

I for one knew you were referring to me babe.

Nik and falconfan, you guys are hilarious! I'm just now reading through your posts. LMAO!

Why thank you dear For now lets just let Nikki keep on thinking it's all about him, it's easier that way

Shame you weren't on to join us last night

 

[falconfan]

Darling you missed the point. He wants Ken to be eliminated next, so he was responding to my claim that Bob not winning Immunity would be good for Kenny (because then booting Bob could become Priority Number One again). So he was saying he wants Bob to win Immunity so Kenny would get voted out.

But I can understand how you'd miss that since we were busy having sex and all.

Odd I normally am good at multitasking.

 

[falconfan]

Would it help if I told you you were in my thoughts last night while I was lying naked in bed?

Yes, yes, it would. I suggest you tell me that... often

 

[falconfan]

And I suggest you star in my fantasies...often.

Why stop at suggesting when you can make it happen

 

[falconfan]

I'd like to hear what you think is Ken's, Matty's and Bob's best next move falconfan (individually I mean). Your thoughts and analysis are always appreciated.

Bob-I think the best move is to try and get rid of 1) Matt 2) Kenny 3) Sugar. Matt is priority one mainly because he's more likely to win immunity plus Bob has more wiggle room with Kenny.

Matty- 1) Bob 2) Kenny 3)Sugar Bob needs to go if ANYONE wants a chance. Period.

Kenny- 1) Matt 2) Bob 3) Sugar... same as Bob's reasons really.

Interesting thing to me is that Sugar comes out third in just about every scenario I can think of... and she has an idol that can gaurentee her top 3 if she makes it till then

Ken

 

[Laststraw21]

Darling you missed the point. He wants Ken to be eliminated next, so he was responding to my claim that Bob not winning Immunity would be good for Kenny (because then booting Bob could become Priority Number One again). So he was saying he wants Bob to win Immunity so Kenny would get voted out.

But I can understand how you'd miss that since we were busy having sex and all.

Yeah, my bad. I should have quoted his statement.

Anyways, I just watched the Ponderosa videos and my dislike for Corinne has reached a high. God forbid you can't blow dry your hair ... ever heard of a towel? Then she goes on to say the food [when i recall her enjoyed whatever the hell she was eating] is bad and there's nothing good about Africa [when I recall her saying she was enjoying herself with her friends], she's just ridiculous.

Also, her little comparison to the high school years... ha. Aren't you in your mid-twenties or maybe even older? Babe, your high school years are long gone. Even so, I don't know why you classified your group as the smart ones... afterall, the "mutants" (as you like to call them) are all still there and you are not.

As for Marcus, I guess Nik2's opinions are starting to rub off on me... I found him to be a bit irritating in the Ponderosa episodes and he said something along the line as "I found myself doing all the work which is usual" .. or something like that. Whether it was a joke or not, that quality isn't cute, Marcus.

 

[falconfan]

Isn't the idol only good up until the Final 5 Tribal Council? So that means Sugar is only guaranteed up to Final 4, no?

To tell you the truth I don't know. I know that Yul's was good up until the final 4 as was Terry's. But If they have a final 3 it makes sense they'd move it to only being good up until 5 it also makes sense if they're pretending to have a final 3.

And why do you think Kenny's first priority should be Matty? Isn't Bob the big threat for everyone else simply because he could get the votes from all of his ex-Kota members?

Before you can win the votes you just have to be there. We don't know if it's going to be final 3 or 4 yet but one thing I doubt they'll mess with is that the last challenge will be an endurance and regardless of what it is physical strength always helps with endurance challenges. SO I don't think it would be wise to let Matty get any where NEAR the final challenge.

 

[Spiff]

Has everyone remaining totally forgot that Sugar has the idol? I thought at one time everyone knew. Yet, there has been no strategy to flush it out for several episodes now. Or are they just taking the "why bother?" approach? Sugar is still looking very secure. Although now she has at least two extremely bitter enemies on the jury.

 

[Aratron]

Has everyone remaining totally forgot that Sugar has the idol? I thought at one time everyone knew. Yet, there has been no strategy to flush it out for several episodes now. Or are they just taking the "why bother?" approach? Sugar is still looking very secure. Although now she has at least two extremely bitter enemies on the jury.

Based on the website clues, they're going to try it next week

 

[falconfan]

Oh and I also wanna remind everyone who's going apeshit over Bob "brilliant" move that he was not successful in getting the four votes to boot Matty so his ultimate goal failed. Bob had Individual Immunity so he didn't need to protect himself. The point of his plan was:
1. Boot Matty
2. Save Corrine

Neither of these two things happened so insofar as Bob's goal, he failed. Now, a separate benefit occurred that he didn't really intend:
3. Create dissension in the dominant alliance.

It's certainly true that this occurred but again this wasn't his primary goal and -- more importantly -- does it really change the way things would have panned out next week anyway? Let's look at both scenarios:

Had Bob's Plan Never Occurred
1. Corrine would have been voted out this week.
2. The Alliance would presumably be tight going into the next level (all things being equal).
3. Bob is Priority Number One for the Alliance and would have to win Immunity again or likely go home.
4. Had Bob won Immunity again, the Alliance would have to turn on itself and choose a member to boot. Now of course we don't know what would have happened but the two obvious choices would have been
a. Boot Matty
b. Boot Kenny
And that means either Kenny/Crystal would have to get Susie and Bob to help boot Matty OR Bob would approach Matty, Sugar and Susie about a plan to boot Kenny. Let's not forget that Matty already told Sugar way back when about Kenny lying to her about Ace. Knowing that and in the interest of self preservation (i.e. Matty wanting to save himself), Matty would have had to try to get Kenny eliminated anyway.

So now let's compare what would have played out had Bob's plan not occurred with where things stand now that Bob's plan has occurred.

Now That Bob's Plan Has Occured
1. Corrine was still voted out.
2. The Alliance is presumably not as tight because of Kenny's vote. So this is where the real success of Bob's plan (unintentional though it was) comes in. However, this can only be judged a "success" if it change the rest of the outcome. Sure Bob can try to get Matty and Sugar to turn on Kenny, but do you really think Matty won't take the chance to boot Bob first if he can? So...
3. Bob is likely still Priority Number One for the Alliance and likely still has to win Immunity again or risk going home.
4. If Bob wins Immunity again, the Alliance would be in exactly the same position it would have been had Bob's plan not occurred. The likely options will still be:
a. Boot Matty
b. Boot Kenny
And that means either Kenny/Crystal will have to get Susie and Bob to help boot Matty OR Bob would approach Matty, Sugar and Susie about a plan to boot Kenny.

In other words, the scenarios remain fundamentally the same.

1. Corrine went home
2. Bob is still likely to be Priority Number One and still has to win Immunity to save himself.
3. If Bob wins Immunity Kenny would still need to get Bob and Susie's vote to likely save himself.

Therefore nothing has really changed dramatically or fundamentally to alter what would have occurred had Bob created a fake idol or not. The fact that Matty and Sugar will be annoyed at Kenny and may want to boot him if Bob wins Immunity a second time is no different from the option they would have had to entertain anyway if Kenny had not voted for Matty and Bob had won Immunity a second time.

Ultimately then Bob's plan failed in terms of this week's events and can only be successful next week if Bob loses Immunity and still gets Matty/Sugar/Susie to boot Kenny based on emotion/anger over Kenny's vote this week. If that happens, I will be the first to call his plan successful. Until then, his plan cannot be judged a success.

Very good points Nikki but in reality THINGS have changed... nothing that's going to help Bob but things. Kenny is now under the impression there's still an immunity idol in play and worse yet he may soon think he has an immunity idol. He's lost the trust of his group, become an increased center of attention, and may be forced betray someone more strongly.

I'll tell you what I WOULD DO in this situation... Sugar did it! The end. Kenny and Crystal think as a unit, act as a unit... presumably vote as a unit. The fact that there's only ONE vote would lead one to think it was made by a lone player, Sugar or Susie at this point. Susie is far from a trailblazer. She's a smart player with a strong work ethic and a low profile.Sugar's betrayed Matty once before and stabbed her CLOSEST ally in the back when she voted Ace out.

Kenny NEEDS to blame that vote on Sugar. Would it work? Probably not. Would be Sugar forced to use her idol... yes. Would it give him some reasonable doubt to work with? yes. I say just don't own that vote if you're Ken... though the fact he looked like a sad puppy at tribal couldn't have helped.

 

[Aratron]

Can you elaborate Aratron? What clues? Are you sure it's not Bob's fake idol they're trying to flush out?

The clues from the official website of the show. I put it on white in case someone doesn't want to read

* One castaway finds himself scrambling to secure an alliance, having attempted unsuccessfully to blindside one of his allies.
* A stunning reward allows some castaways a rare glimpse of Gabon and it's most majestic inhabitants.
* A power hungry castaway uses guilt to gain to control of an ally, but his pushy demands may land him in hot water.
* A simple plan is hatched to put the hidden immunity idol into play, resulting in a shocking turn of events at Tribal Council.


Btw, it seems next season will be in Brazil

 

[aijalon18]

I hope Kenny wises up and realizes Sugar is starting to defect. I think all he needs to do is make her realize she needs a a final 4 with him, Susie and Crystal in order to win. with this bitter Betty jury she has no chance against Bob or Matty.

Sugar is my 3rd fav but sometimes she can be like a petulant child and go against things that would help her just so she is being bossed around.

 

[falconfan]

I hope Kenny wises up and realizes Sugar is starting to defect. I think all he needs to do is make her realize she needs a a final 4 with him, Susie and Crystal in order to win. with this bitter Betty jury she has no chance against Bob or Matty.

Sugar is my 3rd fav but sometimes she can be like a petulant child and go against things that would help her just so she is being bossed around.

While it's true she needs to be there with Crystal and Susie she does not want to go to jury with Kenny. I can see sexism factoring to theses people's decision.

 

[falconfan]

Now that you and your boyfriend are engaged in real life, falconfan is actually my darling now. Just so you know.

It's so cute how you both pretend this is true. Aww...

Interesting.... continue

 

[falconfan]

What's worse...

Randy making racist comments and he's aware of it

or

Kenny being a fake ass bitch to your face then talking shit about you BEHIND your back? The way he was talking to his sister about the other survivors confirmed by thoughts about this asshole being a complete jackass. If you're going to call Corinne out for this shit, why not Kenny?

I think both these men (and Corinne) are horrible people in their own ways, but some people are putting Kenny on a pedestal because why... he eliminated Marcus and Charlie? Who gives a rat's ass? I cannot wait until his loser ass is eliminated. I'll be so happy that I may even cum in my pants with all the excitement when he's gone.

Ummmm A) Racism is worse. B) Randy doesn't "know it." he knows that he's an unpleasant, unrepentant, uncaring ass. But I've never seen him admit that he's racist. C) All that Kenny said was that he knew he could win because people liked him and owed him.... that's gametalk not being an ass. He's not my favorite person but he clearly is the best gameplayer this season and people pointing that out is inevitable in a game about gameplay.

 

[falconfan]

As fun as this diatribe on racism has been, can we please get back to the important stuff? You know J-man and Nik fighting over me.