Survivor Gabon Cast Is Up!

[Aratron]

I don't know why they keep keeping the idol there

 

[falconfan]

Sigh... I don't know what's wrong with these people. I really don't. I mean I knew Matty wasn't that bright. I knew that he was a follower and not a leader. But REALLY! If you want to be on the same side as Ace and Sugar fine but at the very least FLUSH OUT THE FUCKING IDOL. He explained to Ace exactly why it was a horrible reason for him not flush out the idol (why he's telling this to Ace god only knows) Ace says don't worry about and he's just like... sure. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a fan of these one person from each tribe leaves weeks. They made it look like it's going to be a scramble. I suspect it's going to be Dan from Kota (They don't need him + he's a physical threat after an impending merge + he's annoying) and God only knows who from Fang. Logic would dictate either Sugar or Ace but realistically I think it's most likely going to be Crystal.

 

[aijalon18]

I hate Randy more than anyone on Survivor. I couldnt stand watching that gross rat face sucking down pastries. He's just so vile.

 

[falconfan]

I like Marcus too but it's totally a smart move to try to get him out. He's the biggest threat for individual immunity and for winning the game as a whole right now.

It's not quite a good idea yet....
Marcus + Charlie + Corrine + Bob + Randy + Susie + Dan - Marcus= 3 Original Kota vs 3 Original Fang.

I think it would be smartest not to turn on Marcus until the onion is in a firm majority.

 

[Ohiospeedo]

Damn it. Was kinda hoping that Fang would get rid of Ace. I don't really understand their rationale. I guess the weeks of losing and hunger has turned their minds to mush. I hope the merge happens soon and Ace gets vote out next week.

 

[falconfan]

Did you even read the posts you were responding to babe? LOL. We were talking about DAN trying to get rid of Marcus. It is perfectly reasonable for DAN to try this because he's not in the Onion Alliance. I'm not saying he has any shot at pulling it off (he doesn't), but it makes sense for him to try.

Also, you're kidding yourself if you think Randy still thinks of himself as an ex-Fang. It's totally not out of character for him to say team up with Bob, who would benefit from booting Marcus since Bob isn't really in the Onion Alliance.

Randy is an intelligent enough person to do whatever is right for him. (sadly) If being with ex-Fang helps him he'd do it.

Moreover... you said "It's totally a smart move to try and get him out" which is vague and could have applied to anyone. Regardless it's only a good move if you're not going to firm up your stance as an outsider through that effort which is precisely what Dan would do. It's just not good play for a hyena to try and take down an elephant. Dan's not in a position to take Marcus down. It would be much better for him to try and get in Marcus's good graces and subtly influence Marcus to focus on someone who's not trustworth (ie Randy) but if Dan had the kind of social radar to realize this maybe he'd be decent enough to be able to make a smart run at Marcus. Not to mention a physically strong male saying we need to get rid of X BECAUSE he's a physically strong male is kind of short sighted no?

 

[falconfan]

They Seem To Be The Only Ones Who Are Approaching This Game With Any Kind Of Strategy.

Sugar Impressed Me With Her Ability To Think For Herself And Showed - She Is No Puppet On Ace's String - When She Asked For The Idol Back. Knowing Ace Was Being Targeted - She Made Damn Sure He Didn't Take The Idol With Him If He Got Booted Off. Little Miss Sunshine Is Coming Off As The Dark Horse Everyone Seems To Be Dismissing. Game On!

I have no idea what you're been watching. Marcus, Charline, Corrine and even Jackie (who got screwed by circumstances) have a clear strategy they put in place on day one and have had no need to tamper with.

Sugar seems like a sweet girl but giving Ace the idol was a horrible idea. As was leaving her unattended bag around. She's not playing any kind of game except being at Ace's right hand (and he's got no qualms betraying her considering that he set a back up with Matty.)

 

[LiquidSky]

I despise Ace and the thought of him slinking to the end and potentially winning is enough to make me wanna stop watching.

Agreed. Asshole had to try to put the pieces together by himself and fucked it up.

Watching a tribe lose week after week is not fun. I cannot wait for the merge.

 

[Aratron]

Okay, I have no comments for tonight's episode other than the Fang tribe is pretty stupid! But I do want to talk about next week's episode. Can you believe that asshole Dan is trying to target Marcus? Seriously, WTF? Are we a little jealous or what, Dan?

Is he untouchable or what?

and the best was that final comic line from Susie to Corrine, "Oh good, cuz I was thinking of voting you." LOL!

Is it me or is that going to be a dumb move from her?

No, No, Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Let's hope they're not THAT smart. I'll be devastated if Marcus doesn't stick around atleast until the final 5.

And I'll be surprised if he doesn't reach the finals... I think the editing is being too obvious like it was with Earl

 

[falconfan]

No dear. It was a specific response to something someone (bidude I think?) said about DAN trying to get Marcus out. You're just wrong on this one. LOL. As you sometimes do with me (a little bit? sometimes?) here and in private, you start formulating a defense for your own idea without carefully reading mine or reading mine at all.

Nope you weren't clear in your initial statement. When bidude says something like he's shocked Dan was trying to get Marcus out and you reply it's a good idea to try and get Marcus out it's unclear whether you mean that Dan should succeed because it's a good idea or that it's a good idea for strictly Dan.

 

[falconfan]

Please tell me you're kidding and just trying to win the argument on the sheer force of your adorableness (a considerable weapon to be sure) because strictly on the merits, you lose.

Here's what bidude wrote and in my original post, I quoted this section so the context of what I was replying to would be clear:


And here's what I wrote, responding to that quote:


So not only was the first part a direct response to a quote about Dan, but the second paragraph of my response included Dan's name as well as my summation that he -- DAN, the one trying to get Marcus out, the one bidude brought up, the one and only one I was therefore talking about -- would not likely be successful in rallying the votes against Marcus and is therefore "likely to be the next one picked off."

It couldn't be more clear habibi if you had read the post carefully. Remember what I told you about this reading thing? It can really come in handy, see?

Saying that you doubted Dan would succeed doesn't in anyway prove that you didn't mean he SHOULDN'T succeed.

It was just vaguely worded my dear. It could go either way

 

[falconfan]

Sigh. It would be nice if you would remember the sequence of events dear. That isn't what we were debating.

You said:


That's what I took issue with. Not whether or not Dan could or should succeed, but rather that it was Dan I was talking about. I clarified that and you said:


You still insisted that I hadn't been clear whether it was a good move for Dan or a good move for everyone/anyone else. And that's when I wrote the last response showing you that you were wrong. It was very clear that I was talking about Dan. You're just wrong about this one and in your last post you misremembered what the original argument was.

I never misremembered what you're argument was you just misinterpreted my response.

You said

"I like Marcus too but it's totally a smart move to try to get him out. He's the biggest threat for individual immunity and for winning the game as a whole right now.

Unfortunately for Dan though, he doesn't seem to have any influence on Kota and is likely to be the next one picked off."

Now if you look at that first statement you say that it is a smart idea to get rid of Marcus and listed reason that apply to EVERYONE (Being the biggest immunity threat and being likely to win the game certainly don't just impact Dan)... there is NO direct statement of WHO it is a "smart move" for just that it is one. Now your follow up sentence(s) states that Dan will fail in getting rid of Marcus. The fact you think Dan will fail doesn't necessarily mean that you didn't believe it was a good idea for the tribe as a whole to get rid of Marcus. THUS there is room for misinterpretation.

For instance: It's a smart idea to get rid of Ace over in Fang next week. Crystal will probably try to get rid of him. I doubt she'll succeed and suspect that ultimately she'll be voted out.

When I say it's a smart idea to get rid of Ace I don't mean "It's a smart idea [for Crystal] to get rid of Ace." I mean "It's a smart idea [for everyone] to get rid of Ace."

If the idea is that it's a smart idea for everyone to get rid of person A (Marcus/Ace) it would fit right in with a conversation about a particular person B (Dan/Crystal) to attempt to get person A voted out. The fact that person B is likely to fail and get booted is completely irrelevant to whether it's a good idea for the tribe. If however, like in the case of Dan, lobbying to get person A out only leads to the ultimate demise of person B it is no longer a "smart move" for person B. So when you say something is both a good idea and that Dan will leave you could see where one would interpret that as meaning that getting rid of Marcus is a good idea in general but it will fail to be realized and Dan will leave.

Also for the reason stated above and in my earlier post I do no believe it is a good idea for Dan to lobby against Marcus I think a good idea for him in this instance is turn on old Fang.

Love ya dear

 

[falconfan]

Answer this: since my original post was sandwiched between a quote from bidude about Dan and a second paragraph of my own about Dan, how could it not be obvious that I was talking about Dan??

Yes "being the biggest immunity threat and being likely to win the game certainly don't just impact Dan." You're right, not just Dan but certainly including Dan. And since I was replying to a specific quote about Dan (a quote I included in my original comment) the only way my intention could have been vague (your original charge) is if the person making the charge
1. didn't read the post carefully or
2. is an idiot.

And since we both know you are never the latter but sometimes possibly guilty of the former...yes I'm gonna have to say you misinterpreted.

Honey I've explained this with my Crystal example... did you not read that carefully?

It was clear that Dan was the actor (the person B) because the statement was sandwiched between the two paragraphs. But the identity of person B is completely irrelevant to whether the fact it being a good idea refers to person B or the group as a whole.

In fact as I pointed out it makes much less sense if you mean that it is a smart move for person B because if it results in person B getting voted out it clearly was a bad move. If anything it's a good move for everyone but they fail o understand it and person B suffers for mentioning it thereby making it a BAD idea for person B to mention it and the only way it could possibly be considered a smart moves is a smart move for the group IF they choose to do it.

You know that I always admit when I'm shown to be wrong dear... this isn't one of those times.

 

[falconfan]

And let me break it down this way Nikki...

Assuming that your statement DID make it clear that you believed it was a smart move FOR DAN to campaign against Marcus. It would only be a smart move if either A) It would work or B) It should work

A) You stated yourself it won't work so this can't be the under riding premise of why it's a "good move"

B) We are left with the implication that it is a "smart move" because it SHOULD work. Under what circumstance would one believe that a plan to get rid of Marcus should work? Well it should work if and only if the majority of tribe mates would benefit from Marcus being voted out at this stage. So once more left with a vague implication that it would be a "smart move" [for the tribe] to get rid of Marcus.

You see And really there's no reason to be so stubborn about this. We all write/say things that can be interpreted in more than one way now and then especially when we're just tossing out a quick initial response.

 

[falconfan]

Oh for fuck's sake, never mind.

I love you too Nikki

 

[falconfan]

Man, I can't believe you two put so much energy into defending your points of view. I personally don't think it's worth the time or energy, but more power to you! Now only if Nik put this much energy into getting in bed with me.

Anyways, <3 you both!

I'm sorry. I plan to keep monopolizing on Nik's time and energy

 

[Aratron]

Please say this means he will be quitting Survivor so they can replace it with a host who doesn't try to influence the game, doesn't only (and blatantly) favor jocks, bullies and immunity winners, and who doesn't show such open contempt for the physically slight, the elderly, women (in general), and intellectuals.

Isn't he signed on to Season 20?

About tonight's episode:



I can't believe it FINALLY happened, good riddance!

 

[joesman]

Isn't he signed on to Season 20?

About tonight's episode:



I can't believe it FINALLY happened, good riddance!

I loved Marcus saying, "It's not about you, it's about Dan."

 

[Ares]

The Suzie/Dan thing might come back and bite Kota in the ass. Yeah, they had a backup plan in case Dan had the idol, but now Suzie knows they are willing to sacrifice her. She's going to flp to Fang at the merge. Good thing for Kota, the numbers would still be even and Fang doesn't seem to be united enough to agree on a common vote anyway.

 

[Ares]

Also, what the hell happened with the Dan & Suzie votes? Why were the votes so close? Now with the big players out, I think Marcus, Charlie, Corinne, and Randy may have an easy ride to the finals.

They were worried Dan had the idol and was going to vote Corrine (or Charlie, or Marcus for that matter). By giving Suzie two of their votes, it would have ensured she would have been out if Dan played the idol.