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Susan Collins make Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court justice

We had these discussions back in 2016 about this very possibility. This came up in the Primary where as Liberal Democrats and Independents told the DNC if they nominated Hillary, they would not vote for her. Hillary supporters and the DNC cited the "Supreme Court" and other areas in their justification to steamroll forward and ignore Liberals and Independents.

This shouldn't be a surprise. The DNC and Hillary voters were warned. Instead, they spat in the wind. This is on them and their own arrogance.
 
OOOOH.

You all really showed them, didn't you?
 
Men still have carte blanche to do whatever they damn well please. Almost all is forgivable.
 
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Not the Salem Witch Trials here, folks. Merely making an accusation and not providing any proof should not kill someone's career.

Imagine if it were done to you and someone you went to school with who did not like you. How would you like it if you worked hard in your career only for that former classmate to simply make false accusations to disparage you?
 
Well, Trump has done that a number of times since the Central Park 5 he had always wanted to fry back circa 1990. And of course he pushed the birther nonsense regarding Obama not being born an American citizen. And routinely planting info on the press regarding people he just could not stand. There's a lot more to Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's(and I believe to Deborah Ramirez' s as well) than to all the crap Trump has promoted through the years.
 
MystikWizard said:
Hillary supporters and the DNC cited the "Supreme Court" and other areas in their justification to steamroll forward and ignore Liberals and Independents.
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I don't remember Hillary-ites/DNC saying much about the Supreme Court at all, though I was SCREAMING it at the time, as I saw precisely this thing coming without (of course) a clue which new Justices would be the game-changers. The Republicans took the Supreme Court very seriously in their campaigns, while for the Democrats the Supreme Court was the big elephant in the room that nobody talked about.

Canadians knew much more how important it was than most USAns did, and despite their having an entirely different structure of political system than we do.

MystikWizard said:
Not the Salem Witch Trials here, folks. Merely making an accusation and not providing any proof should not kill someone's career.
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Maybe not, but when you're voting on somebody tantamount to electing The Pope, any such allegations should at least be looked at SERIOUSLY AND THOROUGHLY, not in such a rush-to-NONjudgment (because the fix was set) as happened this time.

If a thorough investigation was done and it came out in Kavanaugh's favor, he would have still been voted in, but the taint would be much less. But, there would still be taint that he will obviously pre-judge cases that come before him, to align precisely with the rightest-wing parts of the Republican agenda, and a Justice is NOT supposed to be that way. They're supposed to be impartial and neutral.

This isn't unprecedented at all, the non-neutrality part. Nearly my entire lifetime, I've been able to reliably predict how at least seven of the Justices would vote on nearly all high profile cases. (I do remember being "thrown way off" on the EMINENT DOMAIN case some years ago, but usually I could guess pretty well.) If all the Justices were truly neutral, there shouldn't have been much more than "chance guessing" at final Justice votes on most of the cases.

Ruth Ginsberg (spelling?) is as predictable as Clarence Thomas.

But, if he is truly innocent of those accusations, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM with having a full FBI investigation instead of a cursory and "fixed" one? If it was going to clear him anyway, he would (SHOULD?) have welcomed a full investigation. He was acting thoroughly like somebody who knows they're guilty, and an entire political party is his Protection racket!!

Oh, the Mafia/Cosa Nostra, people like Al Capone and Bugsy Siegel, etc., would be SO envious of the powers that now exist.
 
Sausy said:
Well, Trump has done that a number of times since the Central Park 5 he had always wanted to fry back circa 1990.
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Much more recently than 1990. Didn't he run a full page ad in the New York Times in the early 20-teens still suggesting that they should be executed, long after they were released and the conviction vacated?
 
frankfrank said:
I don't remember Hillary-ites/DNC saying much about the Supreme Court at all,
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I absolutely remember it. To the Sanders' supporters and Independents it was "Support Hillary or lose the Supreme Court". Many posts on here about it, even. Many Sanders supporters and Independents in the swing states won that game of chicken though as they were prepared to make good with their threat not to support Hillary; be it staying home, writing in Bernie, or voting Trump to prevent someone with Hillary's character on the Democratic side being allowed to cheat her way to the nomination. They were prepared to sacrifice the Supreme Court to send a loud message for the longer term battle to clean up the DNC and stop rigging Primaries or else this will continue to happen. Her supporters were warned continuously of the consequences. Instead, her supporters called everyone's bluff, and wound up being the ones reaping the consequences.


frankfrank said:
though I was SCREAMING it at the time, as I saw precisely this thing coming without (of course) a clue which new Justices would be the game-changers. The Republicans took the Supreme Court very seriously in their campaigns, while for the Democrats the Supreme Court was the big elephant in the room that nobody talked about.

Canadians knew much more how important it was than most USAns did, and despite their having an entirely different structure of political system than we do.

Maybe not, but when you're voting on somebody tantamount to electing The Pope, any such allegations should at least be looked at SERIOUSLY AND THOROUGHLY, not in such a rush-to-NONjudgment (because the fix was set) as happened this time.

If a thorough investigation was done and it came out in Kavanaugh's favor, he would have still been voted in, but the taint would be much less. But, there would still be taint that he will obviously pre-judge cases that come before him, to align precisely with the rightest-wing parts of the Republican agenda, and a Justice is NOT supposed to be that way. They're supposed to be impartial and neutral.

This isn't unprecedented at all, the non-neutrality part. Nearly my entire lifetime, I've been able to reliably predict how at least seven of the Justices would vote on nearly all high profile cases. (I do remember being "thrown way off" on the EMINENT DOMAIN case some years ago, but usually I could guess pretty well.) If all the Justices were truly neutral, there shouldn't have been much more than "chance guessing" at final Justice votes on most of the cases.

Ruth Ginsberg (spelling?) is as predictable as Clarence Thomas.

But, if he is truly innocent of those accusations, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM with having a full FBI investigation instead of a cursory and "fixed" one? If it was going to clear him anyway, he would (SHOULD?) have welcomed a full investigation. He was acting thoroughly like somebody who knows they're guilty, and an entire political party is his Protection racket!!

Oh, the Mafia/Cosa Nostra, people like Al Capone and Bugsy Siegel, etc., would be SO envious of the powers that now exist.
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Dr. Ford had enough time to produce evidence. She blew it and didn't have it.

The Republicans were up against the clock, certainly, with the Midterm elections. If there was a smoking gun, the time to show it would have been long ago, not at the last minute. All of this drama at the end of the original hearings came across as desperation on the part of the DNC and folks, like Swetnik, who were looking for her umteenth lawsuit.

To the public, this was becoming a very obvious game of delay, delay, delay and the GOP saw through it.
 
DantheManFL said:
Fuck Susan Collins and that pussy Joe Manchin. :grrr:

Lisa Murkowski was the only one with balls. :=D:
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Manchin voted to try and save his job, not for what was right. Coal is a dying industry, yet West Virginia with help from Trump can't quite understand that. I hope the Republican beats his sorry ass out of town.
 
MystikWizard said:
I absolutely remember it. To the Sanders' supporters and Independents it was "Support Hillary or lose the Supreme Court". Many posts on here about it, even. Many Sanders supporters and Independents in the swing states won that game of chicken though as they were prepared to make good with their threat not to support Hillary; be it staying home, writing in Bernie, or voting Trump to prevent someone with Hillary's character on the Democratic side being allowed to cheat her way to the nomination. They were prepared to sacrifice the Supreme Court to send a loud message for the longer term battle to clean up the DNC and stop rigging Primaries or else this will continue to happen. Her supporters were warned continuously of the consequences. Instead, her supporters called everyone's bluff, and wound up being the ones reaping the consequences.




Dr. Ford had enough time to produce evidence. She blew it and didn't have it.

The Republicans were up against the clock, certainly, with the Midterm elections. If there was a smoking gun, the time to show it would have been long ago, not at the last minute. All of this drama at the end of the original hearings came across as desperation on the part of the DNC and folks, like Swetnik, who were looking for her umteenth lawsuit.

To the public, this was becoming a very obvious game of delay, delay, delay and the GOP saw through it.
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You really believe all the crap you just wrote?
 
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