Susan Rice says The Video is THE THING

[chance1]

What happened in Cairo and Libya is ..........

"A direct result of a heinous and offensive video"

seems like that POV is not in sync with most experts

watch the video - she's a trip - I think Stephanie Cutter's job is her goal not Ambassador

she applauds Pres. Morsi while Jake Tapper corrects her - "it took him 2 days to condemn the violence"

Bottom line is the Obama narrative of "it's the video" is a travesty of a mockery of a sham that will be propped up by the pom pom waving media

meanwhile in the real world, it's pretty clear that this was an orchestrated attack

unless you believe in coincidences - like it was 911 ??

oh well

we do live on animal farm u know

"all men are enemies ....... all animals are comrades"

little irony there - no charge - not sure the comrades will get it


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Ambassador Susan Rice: U.S. Not ‘Impotent’ in Muslim World - ABC News

 

[chance1]

Most of the protests took place after 9/11, not on it. There isn't a clear indication it was orchestrated at all. I guess desperation is kicking in a bit...

really?

Senator Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat who heads the Senate intelligence panel, also told the network the attack may have been premeditated.

It may have been the work of al-Qaeda because “the weapons were somewhat sophisticated, and they blew a hole in the building and started a big fire, and that’s how the ambassador died, in a fire,” Feinstein said.

I've never considered Senator Feinstein "desperate" and as the head of the senate intelligence panel ....... she's sorta in the know


U.S. Envoy to Libya May Have Died in Preplanned al-Qaeda Assault - SFGate

 

[Sausy]

For all of the inelegance of Mitt Romney's reactions to the whole crisis it does appear that in shovelling all the wrath on Mitt the Administation's own failures have been given short shrift in most quarters. Read David Frum(not the favorite conservative of today's right,but with Joe Scarborough an intellectually honest one) in his strong but forthright criticism of the approach the Obama Administration is taking in all this mess. Obama does his Egypt isn't an ally thing(shocked the hell out of me)but unlike the fake China being an ally thing Obama purportedly said(but clearly didn't) he put both feet in his mouth with that one, but isn't given nearly so much grief for it. Libya has responded very well here and tried to help us, it's clear a number of Libyans tried to help save the ambassador's life. The Administration's policy in the Middle East is a mess right now and the President's flunkies like Susan Rice continue to insist the video in itself caused everything when even the Libyan President says it was the work of an organized plot by local al-Qaeda affiliates and foreign mercenaries working in their behalf using the pretext of the video to carry out a premeditated hit job. Things aren't totally flushed out but more and more those following the intelligence are coming to this realization...the longer the Administration remains in denial and closing their eyes and ears the more it looks like that famous 3am call spoken of by Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary season in 2008 in which Obama proves completely unprepared for is disturbingly accurate.

 

[jackoroe]

Yes, the protests were spontaneous. Most people generally walk around with grenade launchers and mortars. No planning involved whatsoever.

 

[Jack Springer]

They must believe this is going to be a tough sale to the American people. Susan Rice is never in the news.

The MSM has bought the Obama Admin spin on this hook, line, and sinker.

.... wonder if they fish with dynamite instead of a rod and reel?

 

[Kulindahr]

Why do simpletons insist on mixing things that don't go together?

It's clear that there were two different hings going on: some planned attacks and some protests generated by the film. The planners may have used the protests as cover -- nice gift to them -- or even set them off by stirring up outrage about a film no one had really noticed. There was also a distinct set of things going on with the ambassador's death: his decision to go there, and the already planned attack -- they didn't go after him, but since he was there.... though I read one article that argued they didn't even know who they'd gotten until it made the news.

Just because events happen together doesn't mean they're connected.

 

[chance1]

Susan was clearly mistaken

which means Pres. Obama is perpetrating a lie

I know the only thing to talk about is Romney's poll dropping but meanwhile we have a President who is running a dishonest campaign AND is lying to the American public about just what happened recently

It was obvious then and is more obvious now as facts come out that this attack was planned

Why the Obama administration chose this narrative in lieu of the truth is troubling

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/19/no-evidence-deadly-libya-attack-planned-u-s-official/

 

[chance1]

^ the admin has admitted it - read the piece

Are they stupid ? Or just liars ? Both ?

What do u think ?

 

[ReadyWithReadyWit]

This articles seems to be a pretty balanced account of the situation and what is known thus far:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/libya-attack-terrorist-strike-not-planned-says-u-222541798--election.html

Important quotes:

But "what we don't have, at this point, is specific intelligence that there was significant advanced planning or coordination for this attack," he said. "The best information we have now, the facts that we have now, indicate that this was an opportunistic attack."

-Head of the U.S. National Counter-Terrorism Center, Matt Olsen

On Tuesday, White House press secretary Jay Carney had said there was no evidence of a planned attack—but he refused to rule out that possibility as long as the investigation is ongoing.

This seems rather reasonable to me... and not indicative of the Obama administration lying their asses off... simply saying here is the intel now... but we we will continue to look into things... heaven forbid we not jump to conclusions.

Senator Susan Collins, the committee's top Republican, said that after "numerous briefings" on the incident she had reached "the opposite conclusion"—that the attack was planned in advance.

It was "an attack that should have been anticipated based on the previous attacks against Western targets, the proliferation of dangerous weapons in Libya, the presence of al-Qaeda in that country and the overall threat environment," she said.

Glad she based her assertion on such clear unvague direct intel points here ... I'm going to stick w/ the anti-terrorism agency rather than the politician for now..

Just because events happen together doesn't mean they're connected.

And, yes, shockingly the attack in Libya and the demonstrations across the countries may be separate things...

 

[Kulindahr]

^ the admin has admitted it - read the piece

Are they stupid ? Or just liars ? Both ?

What do u think ?

The article shows that the administration is relying on the intelligence agencies, while McCain is running off at the mouth.

So where's the lie? Intel says it wasn't planned, and in fact didn't have to be because there are groups sitting around ready to go with little notice. All it would have taken is a phone call saying there was a riot at the embassy, and terrorists could have been rolling in minutes.

In a way that's "planned", because they plan to move fast with little notice, and they practice for doing that, but in a more important way it wasn't, because they didn't pick the time and place.

 

[chance1]

This articles seems to be a pretty balanced account of the situation and what is known thus far:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/libya-attack-terrorist-strike-not-planned-says-u-222541798--election.html

Important quotes:

-Head of the U.S. National Counter-Terrorism Center, Matt Olsen


This seems rather reasonable to me... and not indicative of the Obama administration lying their asses off... simply saying here is the intel now... but we we will continue to look into things... heaven forbid we not jump to conclusions.



Glad she based her assertion on such clear unvague direct intel points here ... I'm going to stick w/ the anti-terrorism agency rather than the politician for now..



And, yes, shockingly the attack in Libya and the demonstrations across the countries may be separate things...

Not sure you're up to speed with what the WH had said immediately and all this week

Then had Susan Rice on Sun AM talk shows

"the attack was due to the video"

Unequivocal

That's the basis for "what the fuck"

A weeks worth of dumb or lying

I'm confused by your take

 

[chance1]

And Susan Collins is as moderate a Repub as it gets btw

 

[ReadyWithReadyWit]

Not sure you're up to speed with what the WH had said immediately and all this week

Then had Susan Rice on Sun AM talk shows

"the attack was due to the video"

Unequivocal

That's the basis for "what the fuck"

A weeks worth of dumb or lying

I'm confused by your take

Given your generous choices here , I'm going to go with "dumb" as in the same "dumb" that virtually everybody inside and outside the administration (even Mitt who falsely criticized the prez for "sympathizing" with the demonstrators) bought into: "Hey... it's 9/11... AND there's an offensive video out causing demonstrations... maybe the two are related... and maybe things just got out of hand." I mean... there appears to not have been any intel or sign this was premeditated.

So... initially mistaken I will give you. But perpetuating a lie?... utterly ridiculous (for proper example of "perpetuating a lie", see WMD's). And, as for the media helping to perpetuate the lie, my link was the TOP story on Yahoo... and (most) everyone on this forum distinguishes between the two events... so they are doing a lousy job...

 

[chance1]

^ initially mistaken ?

They were CERTAIN

And sent out poor Susan who pulled a Colin Powell on WMDs

She's a joke now - thanks Prez

Today they said there's no doubt it was a terror attack - planned etc

Course the 85 prefer to give 6 different ways to say the same thing about Romney

Lalalalalalala

Stupid is as stupid does

 

[JB3]

Given your generous choices here , I'm going to go with "dumb" as in the same "dumb" that virtually everybody inside and outside the administration (even Mitt who falsely criticized the prez for "sympathizing" with the demonstrators) bought into: "Hey... it's 9/11... AND there's an offensive video out causing demonstrations... maybe the two are related... and maybe things just got out of hand." I mean... there appears to not have been any intel or sign this was premeditated.

So... initially mistaken I will give you. But perpetuating a lie?... utterly ridiculous (for proper example of "perpetuating a lie", see WMD's). And, as for the media helping to perpetuate the lie, my link was the TOP story on Yahoo... and (most) everyone on this forum distinguishes between the two events... so they are doing a lousy job...

Their reaction was puzzling. They were very quick to blame it on the video, despite strong evidence that it was an organized attack. It was just an odd jump to a conclusion that wasn't supported by evidence.

 

[Kulindahr]

Their reaction was puzzling. They were very quick to blame it on the video, despite strong evidence that it was an organized attack. It was just an odd jump to a conclusion that wasn't supported by evidence.

"Puzzling" is a good way to put it. That much firepower doesn't show up and be used that effectively by some bunch of protestors who got pissed about a movie.

 

[Jack Springer]

So was Rice ignorant or a willing partner in the deception?

Either way -- her future is short -- well, it would be in a normal administration.