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Sweet 22 and Never Been Kissed

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I think you need to consider prefessional help on this one mate, usually im all for self medication but you sound like you've got alot of deep issues here (probably linked to your sexuality) that a therapist/counsellor should be able to help you with.
Don't stress though things in life will come right, they always do! Just takes time, as for how you look and you think you're ugly, well beauty is in the eye of the beholder, their will be people out their who like the way you look, and value you as a person so don't give up hope just yet! (and how are they going to know you're available if you're in the closet!?)
Good luck and everyone here will be more than willing to offer advice and help :)
 
Do not take this the wrong way---but it's probably your ATTITUDE that has kept you from being kissed. If someone came up to me with that "I hate myself and the world" behavior I would run the other way too.

If you improve your self esteem and outlook on the world, you WILL get kissed, and maybe more...:)
 
You are not alone, bruinswimmer85. I also think I am ugly. I am way to skinny. But you know what, I really don't care about how I look. I'm skinny, because I want to be and I'm ugly, because it's how I see myself. Everyone tells me that I'm cute or something along those I lines, I don't believe them. Well, I'm 20 and never been kissed, so what! Homosexuality has not robbed you of anything. It's who are. It's been there all along, and now it's to the surface. I really hate it when people don't be themselves, because they are so scared what other people will think. Who Cares? Other people have no business telling you, who you can and can't be. If your friends turn on you, because you're gay, then they were no true friends of yours. Just don't ruin your life over your sexuality. I'm gay and I am happier than I have ever been, I love my life. If I die alone, then I'm going to be happy, knowing that I lived my life to the fullest and being who I am. I want a partner too, and if I don't get one, so what! Just please be who you are. Think about everything that you have gone through. Ignore other people. Well, I hope you have a wonderful life that's soon to come.
 
"The fact that homosexuality goes against all natural law and serves no evolutionary purpose leads me to believe that it is merely some tragic syndrome or disease."

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I understand what you're saying here but would urge a slightly larger understandig of evolution than procreation. The list of gay artists, writers, musicians, performers, philosophers, social activists and more is a very long one. It is, at the very least, an important exercise to contemplate what our present 'state' as an evolved species would be without those contributions.
Whether using the Wikipedia list or others that have been compiled, it's somewhat astonishing. I find being gay to be almost an embarassment given how much of a total "lock" we have had and continue to have on taste and sensibility....almost.

It seems far too easy to me to assume that our totality of being is somehow summed up in having children. Following that logic, we should be having far more than than most straight people seem inclined towards in these times. The decision to have two children instead of three would have to be seen as going against 'natural law' as well.

Only the most superficial have looked in the mirror and decided that they had it made because of their beauty. Most look in the mirror and find ugliness of some sort. A good friend of mine who has been incredibly handsome all his life has enough sensitivity to speak of it as being the "greatest burden" he has had to bear. Others see him and his beauty and his serious thoughts as well as his artistic efforts get scant attention. He's straight and pissed off about it.

On the other hand, we should ALL be able to relate to what you write. You say it well and those thoughts are not foreign to any thinking person, gay or straight. On the practical side, your grades from the undergraduate degree would have to be almost non-existant for you not to able to find a grad school where you can get a Master's degree. There are small colleges and universities out there who are just waiting for applications. It may not interest you to pursue that, but I assure you that that avenue is most probably very open.... in all kinds of fields of study.

Passing through the 'tragic syndrome' valley has a familiar tone to it. It's a seductive way of viewing ourselves, as well as being an almost inevitable partner for the envy we can feel for others who are so much better looking. As for being "skinny", I can't imagine anything sexier. Combine that with an unusual face which you and others might call "ugly", I find it the most attractive description, physically, possible.

And NObody writes like you do and has the "charm of a cardbox box." That's my opinion at least. You're sexy.
 
ruinswimmer85,

I couldn't stop laughing when i read your post. It is as if a harsh critic was writing my biography. I say a harsh critic because while we share a similar background, i am not a pessimist like you.

I always wondered why life has dealt me a heavy hand. I am gay, poor, and black. I look the least attractive among my large family, and i am the only one that's overweight (I just checked the scales this morning and I've reached 200 lbs for the first time in my life). I always fantasize about being someone else, in a different time, in a different place. My family is beyond Intolerant of homosexuals. I don't have friends because i am unable to get close to anyone. Although I am about to graduate from college, i am dreading the real world because my GPA is shit, and i racked a ton of debt. Above all, i am 22 and also never have been kissed. I do believe i can change my life, but so far, nothing is changing. I am spent. I have no energy or desire to change. It is true as they say. The life you have is the life you want. And it seems I want to stay miserable for the rest of my life; despite what the nagging little voice in my head tells me. That voice has been telling me to get in shape for a while. I bought a good running shoes and located a suitable gym. All i have to do is go exercise. But that was almost a year ago. I should have exercise a year ago. And if i had exercised a year ago, i would've been in a better place now. So while you and me look into the past for things to change, we should really be changing the future and stop fantasizing.

I think the most recommended, yet the hardest way to change your life is to change your perspective. You're wishing for someone's else's life, and i bet someone else wishes to have yours. I also bet you don't care for that because you don't care for anyone that is stupid enough to wish for your life. You need to change your perspective because you won't go anywhere in life as long as you hate a part of you. The only other difference between us that I've found, besides your extremely negative outlook on life, is that unlike you, I don't hate my sexuality; I love it in fact. Though I curse others for ruining life for me. If being gay was acceptable, i think i would've been a much happier person. Being gay and being in the closet, and realizing the possibility of never coming out really fucks you up.

My only advice for you is to move. Run away from your life and get the one you want.
 
You know, I really don't understand how some people can be so down on themselves.
I'm not the greatest looking guy in the world, I need a good few months at the gym, am a half-caste bi-racial mongrel with a beer gut and glasses, but I can still look in the mirror, wink at myself, say I'm hawt stuff and put on a layer of faux arrogance/ego to compensate for my percieved failings.

PMA - Positive Mental Atitude.

If you have trouble with that, just remember that there is always someone uglier than you to point and laugh at. And midgets, they're funny cos they're small.
 
Oh, and P.S. bar a few pathetic experiences around ages 19-20 I didn't have a proper relationship until I was 23.
 
If you have trouble with that, just remember that there is always someone uglier than you to point and laugh at. And midgets, they're funny cos they're small.

But aren't those the kind of people bruinswimmer85 is trying to get away from? I mean why make fun of other people's looks and put ourselves on a high pedestool when we can just improve our image through our own eyes.

Anyhoo on to your problem bruinswimmer85, don't be so down on yourselves, there is definitely something you're good at. I too don't have that much physical attributes, I'm fat, a minority in a white people world, middle-class, ugly, short, and never been kissed by anybody ever. Yet, I always find a reason to get up in the morning because I really want to prove to myself that I have the strength to beat all my pessimistic thoughts. Hell a lot of people underestimate me, but I never underestimate myself. I always go out of my ways to prove them wrong and laugh at their shocked faces.

So believe in yourself more because there are a lot of people out there who believe in you. Hell I believe in you, now go show people how wrong they are about you.


Oh P.S. if you have friends who can't accept you the way you are, then they're not really your friends, you're the umpteenth person I've said this to btw.
 
I'm also 22 and I've never been kissed or been on a date or experienced anything even resembling a romantic relationship. I'm fat. I always have been. I also have a speech impediment. I was made fun of a lot during school. This led to me becoming very anti-social. I have a lot of issues dealing with people. By high school, the teasing wasn't nearly as bad, but the damage had already been done. I alienated everyone who would even try to talk to me. To this day, I don't trust anyone.
 
So much to go over. So little time. And Soilwork nowhere to be seen.

First off, let's assume what you're saying is true. You're an ugly motherfucker. Guess what? Ugly motherfuckers get laid. Ugly motherfuckers fall in love. And ugly motherfuckers settle down with people. Next time you're out and about, look for couples - it ain't just the hotties who manage it.

And yes, maybe the hottest guy on the planet is out of your league. So what? Are you going to hold him to a higher standard than you? Your post seems to indicate you're sad that the beautiful guys are out of reach. Don't feel compelled to try for an average guy?

No clubs to join? Nothing to do? Dude, you're in the second largest city in the United States. The sheer number of things to do is overwhelming. Classes, plays, art shows, etc etc etc.

And if you insist on playing the "homosexuality is a disease" game, I've got no choice but to play along. OK, so you're infected with fag germs. Sadly, there's no cure to this sickness. You're stuck with it, just like people with asthma have to live with that. Accept it. Learn to live with it. Hide it if you're embarrassed by it, or tell people about it if you're not.

You've got another fifty or so years to kill. You can spend it in your room, or you can get out there and start living it. Your choice.

Lex
 
I'm sorry if this is considered "flaming", but I don't believe your post is genuine.

You write VERY well, almost too well for someone "spilling his guts".

If, by any chance, you are real; I have two things to say:

1. Work on your scrawny body. I did, it isn't that tough. And, you'll get noticed.

2. Work on your personality. You can always become a better person by changing your attitude and approach.

As others have said, ugly guys get laid. Some of them a lot. It's all about attitude.
 
You are not alone, bruinswimmer85. I also think I am ugly. I am way to skinny. But you know what, I really don't care about how I look. I'm skinny, because I want to be and I'm ugly, because it's how I see myself. Everyone tells me that I'm cute or something along those I lines, I don't believe them. Well, I'm 20 and never been kissed, so what! Homosexuality has not robbed you of anything. It's who are. It's been there all along, and now it's to the surface. I really hate it when people don't be themselves, because they are so scared what other people will think. Who Cares? Other people have no business telling you, who you can and can't be. If your friends turn on you, because you're gay, then they were no true friends of yours. Just don't ruin your life over your sexuality. I'm gay and I am happier than I have ever been, I love my life. If I die alone, then I'm going to be happy, knowing that I lived my life to the fullest and being who I am. I want a partner too, and if I don't get one, so what! Just please be who you are. Think about everything that you have gone through. Ignore other people. Well, I hope you have a wonderful life that's soon to come.

BRAVO Riddlebm!! :=D: ..|

bruinswimmer85, I hope you were reading Riddlebm post here!! He speaks the truth! The most important person in the whole wide world when your single is out. The only person who deserves the right to make fun of you is you. I'm 31. I came out late in life. I didn't feel comfortable around girls and I've only been with one guy who didn't like kissing and we both didn't like the anal thing so you have no worries about being 22 and having done nothing!!

Life is not a race. Life is meant to be enjoyed cause you never know how long you have to enjoy it! Who cares if your friends have already been around the block more times then any frequent flyer program!! Pace yourself. I'm not in a relationship right now...haven't been for a while and, yes I find myself wanting one and stuff but getting into one doesn't solve any problems....you just get stuck with a bunch of new problems! :)

Trust me, there's somebody out there for everybody! As for homosexuality being a disease....ummmm I disagree with you on that one. If anything, it's a cure to the over population of the planet that we as humans can't seem to stop!! Seriously, if there are aliens out there in the universe, then the universe is Australia and the human race is the rabbit problem that plagued that country in the 70's!!

As for Ribblebm, Welcome to JUB man! Hope you post more often! I checked out your profile and see that you have dirty blonde hair and green eyes. wow. I like you already! :kiss:

cya guys around! :)
 
Well, let's start with the negative self-image. I can say from experience that scrawny, unattractive, unsuccessful people can still get laid with relative ease, and that many people find little things to make us happy even when we're not in relationships. So, lets' just look at things in the order in which you present them:
So I am turning 22 this month. Never had a relationship. Never been on a date. I have an ugly face, a scrawny body and absolutely no personality whatsoever. The type of people that I am interested in are way out of my league and would never give me the time of day. I want nothing more than to be fit and good looking. Unfortunately that would require about $50k worth of plastic surgery and a massive regimen of steroids. That crock about beauty being on the inside is really just what ugly people tell themselves to feel better and what good looking people say to sound humble. The truth is that beautiful people like other beautiful people. As an ugly person, I am having a hard time accepting this fact.
Well then, this one will really blow your mind: ugly people like beautiful people too. Thankfully, attractiveness is subjective. I personally can't get enough of some men who are (by their own standards) not very attractive. And while I don't find me to be that hot, I do know a few guys who disagree. It's all in perspective. What's more, it's not that vital. I've known plenty of guys who've passed over beautiful partners in favor of less attractive (and in my opinion) frankly unattractive partners whose company they could stand for more than ten minutes at a time. One of my biggest crushes of all time was on a guy who wasn't very great-looking, but he was such a sweet and likeable guy I wanted him anyway. Looks might make things easier - and they are certainly a good way to get a foot in the door, but I think maybe you're giving them a little too much importance.
Even if I could afford plastic surgery and what not, I don't even have a clue how I could meet people, much less how to date anyone. There aren't any groups or clubs I could join and I don't have any hobbies. Even if I was in an environment where I could meet people, no one would want to befriend me and I would have no idea how to interact with them.
I have the same problem. I don't know how to fix it, but I've still managed to make the odd friend or two. Try networking: Make a few friends (someone you know at work, someone you meet at an event - doesn't matter so long as you like them) and then make a point to meet their friends. Hopefully you'll like a few of them, and can then meet their friends. Some of the best friends I have I met through other friends.
Not only am I a fugly little bitch with the charm of a cardboard box, I am a complete failure in all aspects of life. I recently graduated with a useless liberal arts degree that I may as well use to wipe my ass with. As such, I have no prospect of getting a good job. Likewise, since my grades were poor I have no prospect of attending graduate school for an advanced degree that could actually be useful in the real world. I have no talent whatsoever, and everything I have attempted to do I have failed at. I am simply not good at anything... you couldn't find a person with fewer skills or talents than me. Essentially, I hate every aspect of my person and spend my days longing to be someone else.
First off, lots of people with liberal arts degrees find employent outside their major. Mind-blowing success may not be around the corner, but if you've recently graduated then you still have time to try a few times before branding yourself an irredeemable failure.

Second, I refer you back to the "self-image" thing.
All of this is enough to make me want slit my throat, but the real coup de grace is the fact that I am a fag.
See? You at least have one thing in your favor.
Its one thing to be ugly, stupid and talentless, but having an unnatural desire to plug another mans ass or choke on his dick is quite another. I have been hoping since age 13 that my homosexual feelings would subside, but at this point it appears that the disease is a chronic affliction.
If you're stuck with it, why not enjoy it? Certainly you're not going to have much in the way of fulfillng relationships without some way of dealing with this...
I despise my orientation for reasons too numerous to fully enumerate. I gave up on religion a long time ago so faith has nothing to do with it.
I suspect that this is not the case. Lots of people I know who say they've given up religion stioll seem to feel obnligated tro stick to its moral rules out of habit.
The fact that homosexuality goes against all natural law and serves no evolutionary purpose leads me to believe that it is merely some tragic syndrome or disease.
See? "Natural law." Natural law's can't be broken; that's what makes them natural laws. They're rules like "conservation of mass" and "equal and opposite reaction." Anything else presumes a Divine Plan within nature, and that's a religious argument.

Also, I don't think you proprerly understand "evolutionary purpose" not everything in nature serves an obvious evolutionary purpose. If same-sex behavior is an evolutionary disadvantage, it will eventually be "bred out." That doesn't mean it's any less "natural" for those who indulge in the meantime.
Some argue that since homosexuality is found across species it is somehow normal, but all this really proves is that many species are afflicted by the same disorder.
Or that it presents some unobserved advantage to the species/lineage as a whole.
So not only does this psychological disorder make me defective from an evolutionary standpoint,
Are you realy that concerned about your genetic contributions to the species?
I can never look forward to having children, which is really the only reason we are here in the first place.
Not quite so. Even from a strct evolutionary perepective, we are here to preserve and further the future generations of our genetic legacy. That does not require that evey member of the lieage produce offspring. In a more abstract, humanist sense, you're here to do whatever you like.
If I had children they would have to be of my blood. Since I could never love the unwanted fetal alcohol baby of some nasty tramp, adoption isn't really an option.
Well, I suppose everyone's better off if you don't adopt then.
So basically homosexuality has robed me of life's sole purpose and greatest joy.
I disagree. I think you have denied yuorself that joy. Even as a gay man you could experience at least some of the joys of children, were you willing to extend your paternal impulse beyond your own theoretical offspring. You could be a "favorite uncle," or even adopt. Hell, with the miracles of modern tchnology, you might even get kids of your own blood.
And since a truly long term relationship is usually out of the question without the commitment of children, I can only look forward to growing old and dying alone without either a partner or a family.
I don't know about that. I've seen long-term gay relationships. And even long-term platonic relationships. People stay together for reasons other than children.
Did I mention the fact that I am still in the closet and probably will not ever come out? If the few conservative, homophobic friends that I have ever discovered my secret, they would instantly boot me from their circle. If my extended family ever found out, they would disown me.
Well, here's a big problem right here. I'm not saying that you should come out, but it seems to me that on the "growing old and dying alone" topic, this is a more serious impediment than the lack of childbearing options. I can't speak to your relationship with your friends; only you can make that decision.
If my parents ever found out, they would be ashamed to say the least. My mother especially would have an emotional break down and probably kill herself or at the very least live her life saddened and remorseful.
If your mother would kill herself over your sexuality, then she needs counseling. I'm not saying that to be unkind; if she's that fragile then she may need some help.
Yeah so thats basically a very concise summation of my troubles. Essentially all of this boils down to the fact that I no longer have much will to carry on. It would be so much easier to just off myself than to continue living the way I am. I often feel like wrapping my car around a tree but I'm too much of a pussy to even do that. So here I am, in the twilight of my youth, with nothing to show for my years but bitterness and regret. I often look back and wonder what could have been had I been a different person.
Also, you may need counseling as well.
I have already tried several antidepressant medications to help me deal with my problems and none of them were too effective. And since psychotherapy is a crock, I'm basically out of options. Any advice on how to meet people, accept myself and live a happy life would be greatly appreciated.
The best advice I can give is this: Try to be less miserable.
Find some source of fulfillment or contentment at least in the short term. Try physical activity - a sport, running, sex, martial arts, weightlifting, anything that gets your blood flowing. Get more sunshine. Try to find things that make you want to get out of bed in the morning. Try new foods. Get a new hobby. Learn a new skill. Play a musical instrument. Play video games. Write a novel. You don't have to be great at it; you just have to enjoy it.

None of these things will miraculously make your life better. But you might find that you feel a little better about your life. Beyond that, you seem deeply depressed. As you don't seem to have had much luck with antidepressants and appear to have no faith in professional counseling, I'm rather stumped as to what else to say about it. Personally I'd say to see someone anyway - if you're feeling this miserable, what do you have to lose even if it is all a crock?
 
If it's any consolation, I turned 22 last September, have never been on a date, and have never been kissed.

I think a counselor would be good for you--to help you see the good things about yourself. I'm not much to look at either. I actually look at that as an asset, since the "shallow" guys that I'd never want won't even look at me.
 
D'you know how much I'd give to be scrawny?

Scrawny is hotter than you'd think. More people like scrawny than you'd think, whereas less people like muscly guys than you think. A bit of muscle is good, but scrawny is better than bodybuilder, in my eyes.

I don't want muscle. But I also don't want all this damn extra body fat I've got.

I'm not gonna address any other points, because I think the other people here cover all of them, besides for this one point.

Do things.

Join clubs. Take up sports. It gives you things to talk about, at least. And charm is all about having something interesting to talk about.
 
Don't mind me asking this but how can you abhor the idea of being gay, and then complain about never being kissed by a guy? You should celebrate, imo.
 
But aren't those the kind of people bruinswimmer85 is trying to get away from? I mean why make fun of other people's looks and put ourselves on a high pedestool when we can just improve our image through our own eyes.
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Sorry, the sarcasm in the post clearly wasn't obvious enough. ;)
 
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