System That Chums The Water – SPLIT II

[mikemizanin729]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

I didn't know it was in the CoC either and never seen it mentioned till now.

It is against the CoC to keep returning under new names. Apparently he deleted as Fade2Black already a few days ago and returned again as Fade2Black the same day, which would mean that he joined here twice in under one week and he's came back under new names at least four times before that.

I was told a while back that it's against the CoC for reasons previously mentioned.

 

[sixthson]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

I never understood the point of these endless debates. Just state your opinion (a couple of times if you feel it necessary) then just leave it. Most of us have been attacked or criticized for our opinions. So what?
When these things happen, you can either delete or move on to the next topic.

If Jasun were still here, he'd tell people to get a pair.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

I disagree entirely.

Returning members should mention their previous usernames as a courtesy to existing members.

It's a mark of honesty and prevents any possible feelings of duplicity. Until the returning member has been identified, they are effectively posting as a sock puppet and may wittingly or not abuse the trust of old friends and enemies. Identification reduces drama and reduces intrigue.

I can think of no good reason why a returning member shouldn't be forthright--in the briefest manner--about their identity.

Really, though, someone being a regular here, deleting and coming back is not really hard to pick up on. The way people write and present themselves in posts are very identifiable and people hardly ever change that when coming back from a deleted account. That of itself is pretty much an outing. Considering people already know of his 2 usernames within a week as well.

I generally see it as a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. You announce your return and people will either start drama by claiming you're looking for attention or members that have issues with said user will chime in and start rattling the cages. If you don't, we have this situation where you're seen as dishonest and up to something just because the individual didn't immediately announce their return.

It really doesn't matter how you go about things on here because there in some way shape or form will be drama from it or someone trying to start drama from it.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

Really, though, someone being a regular here, deleting and coming back is not really hard to pick up on. The way people write and present themselves in posts are very identifiable and people hardly ever change that when coming back from a deleted account. That of itself is pretty much an outing. Considering people already know of his 2 usernames within a week as well.

I generally see it as a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. You announce your return and people will either start drama by claiming you're looking for attention or members that have issues with said user will chime in and start rattling the cages. If you don't, we have this situation where you're seen as dishonest and up to something just because the individual didn't immediately announce their return.

It really doesn't matter how you go about things on here because there in some way shape or form will be drama from it or someone trying to start drama from it.

For example, I didn't notice Fade2black had returned until it was pointed out. I would have appreciated knowing that so I could post with him accordingly. Maybe I'm dense? But why should the onus be on existing members to identify a returning member? We shouldn't have to guess, wonder and make assumptions; now this is the cause of real drama. All that is required is a short announcement.

If there is baggage that comes with that announcement, it is only the precise baggage that we are all saddled with as members of JUB: that is, our very own posting history. Owning that might suck at times. But we have every opportunity to be honest about our past and make better posts in the future.

The "damned" consequences of honesty are genuinely our own history, dramatic or not; the "damned" consequences of a dishonest return fundamentally undermine the integrity of our communications. They're not comparable.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

To me it isn't really a big deal whether someone wants to leave for good, come back on another name or whatever. Unless of course they are only doing it to start trouble. And whether that person wants to reveal that to other people is of course completely up to them. Again, I don't think he really owes anyone an explanation based on honesty considering we don't know how honest other members are being themselves.

It really should be a non-issue, but it only is because people make it out to be.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

... an explanation based on honesty considering we don't know how honest other members are being themselves.

Who's asked for "explanations"?

I'm only advocating a mention of previous usernames so that we may merely keep their posting history in mind.

This is a simple degree of honesty to require, generally accepted in societies at large, aka "identification."

Whether or not members are generally honest is another issue.

 

[mikemizanin729]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

And whether that person wants to reveal that to other people is of course completely up to them.

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Did you feel that way about Cormac...??? You couldn't wait to out him.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

I disagree entirely.

Returning members should mention their previous usernames as a courtesy to existing members.

It's a mark of honesty and prevents any possible feelings of duplicity. Until the returning member has been identified, they are effectively posting as a sock puppet and may wittingly or not abuse the trust of old friends and enemies. Identification reduces drama and reduces intrigue.

I can think of no good reason why a returning member shouldn't be forthright--in the briefest manner--about their identity.

Sorry, I don't buy this shit - I have returned three times, and don't and haven't owed anyone any explanation as to why I left or who I am coming back(my usernames make it pretty obvious who I am to those that know a tiny bit about me). If you ask me I will tell you - if you don't, and you don't catch on, that's not me hiding, it's you not knowing me well enough. I never became a "sock puppet" by not announcing my return like some "popular" members are prone to do - I simply left for my own reasons, came back, and left the discovery up to time.

Moving on from this foolishness.

*ahem*

[STRIKE]Let's answer this step by step, though I warn you - I'm not going to get too personal with my answers, because it's a different day on this site. You, however, can PM and i'll go more in-depth... at some point.[/STRIKE]

[STRIKE]I wanted to ask MoufOfKhaos....

How convinced are you personally that your twin is absolutely FULLY 100% straight?
How convinced are you personally that you are absolutely FULLY 100% gay?

Not that I'm suggesting for one moment there's any validity to the 'choice' argument, I was just wondering out of curiosity if there's any hint of bisexuality in either you or your twin.[/STRIKE]

[STRIKE]I'm certain that i'm 100% gay because I have never had a sexual desire for a woman for as long as I've been aroused by something. I can find women beautiful - and do - but I cannot find a single one attractive. A kiss on the cheek to a female friend is as far as it'll go. I don't need to convince myself - I've lived with myself for 30 years. If I believed I could be bi I'd be the first one to tell me and all of you - and considering the site i'm on where people can be biphobic while rushing to jack off to only the most manly of "curious" straight and supposedly bi guys while ignoring the out gay guys, i'd wear it like the biggest badge of honor money could buy.

On the flipside, my twin is a weeaboo. I've been unfortunate enough to see his choice in porn, and dick is barely ever in the picture. I would never expect him to be bi, and, more personally, I would never ask.[/STRIKE]

[STRIKE](and I'm assuming that you and he are non-identical)[/STRIKE]

[STRIKE]Correct.[/STRIKE]

[STRIKE]Also, does he resemble you in any other way? (personality, musical tastes, hobbies/interests, etc.)[/STRIKE]

[STRIKE]We both are introverts, but his is crippling, mine either doesn't appear or comes off as apathy. Musically we are incredibly far apart. As far as interests, to be short, we're both gamers and we both like/love/loathe wrestling, depending on the day. Similarities end there(well, we have other shared likes, but meh, this is long enough already). [/STRIKE]

[STRIKE]The only other JUBber I can think of to ask would be Centipede, who does indeed have an identical twin (he posted a pic of the two of them once) but he never mentioned whether his twin was gay.[/STRIKE]

[STRIKE]I believe his twin may very well be gay. But you'll have to ask him if he appears again.[/STRIKE]

 

[zoltanspawn]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

... shit......foolishness....

"Hey everyone. I used to post as 'Johnny'. Glad to be back."

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

"Hey everyone. I used to post as 'Johnny'. Glad to be back."

Don't you dare claim to be me!

 

[zoltanspawn]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

Don't you dare claim to be me!

Sorry, didn't mean to anger you.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

Who's asked for "explanations"?

I'm only advocating a mention of previous usernames so that we may merely keep their posting history in mind.

This is a simple degree of honesty to require, generally accepted in societies at large, aka "identification."

Whether or not members are generally honest is another issue.

I didn't mean to say explanation. Just meaning no one coming coming back under a new name owes anyone here anything at all. We're not his personal friends, we only know him through the internet. Unless you're personally close to him, then I don't see why it matters at all.

Did you feel that way about Cormac...??? You couldn't wait to out him.

Nice try.

1. Cormac himself said he told people who he was when he came back.

2. People knew who he was before I did.

3. Keep trying.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

"Hey everyone. I used to post as 'Johnny'. Glad to be back."

Sorry, didn't mean to anger you.

Sorry just joking!

 

[zoltanspawn]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

... then I don't see why it matters at all.

For example, I had a contentious history with DejaVudoo and we often disagreed sharply on matters. I always went out of my way, after our initial confrontations, to post accordingly. Most often, I would try to ignore his posts which provoked me, or when I did respond, I tried to choose my words with care. I don't get to do that if I don't know who I'm posting to. I'm denied the benefit of clear communication (or even the option to skip over his posts, consider his established politics, etc., etc.) with him--which he could enjoy--when his repeated returns are made unannounced. This is fundamentally unfair.

On the other hand, are there any clearly expressed reasons why returning members shouldn't make their identity clear? Assertions like "no one owes anyone anything" need backing up. Why don't you owe us your previous usernames?

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

"Hey everyone. I used to post as 'Johnny'. Glad to be back."

Glad to know your reading skills are as firmly intact as your head is in the sand.

 

[mikemizanin729]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

Nice try.

1. Cormac himself said he told people who he was when he came back.

2. People knew who he was before I did.

3. Keep trying.

He was forced to out himself after you and a few others outed him first(and a sarcasm thread intended to out him as a form of baiting).. The rules only apply to your friends so it seems.

Not trying anything, just putting you straight. You're being a hypocrite when you were one of the ones who had no problem outing him.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

On the other hand, are there any clearly expressed reasons why returning members shouldn't make their identity clear? Assertions like "no one owes anyone anything" need backing up. Why don't you owe us your previous usernames?

Because it being an inconvenience to you isn't a good enough reason, it being "unfair" isn't a good enough reason. You're not owed anything because it sounds like some sort of entitlement that you're someone that apparently deserves that information. People don't have to give you information just because you're more open about it than others. Maybe they don't want to say who they were because they were embarrassed on why they deleted and they just want to shuffle back into the fray like nothing happened. And that's their decision whether anyone likes it or not.

Users who were previously here under new names aren't really hard to pick up on, which is the big reason I don't have a problem with someone declaring who they are when they come back. If they want to fine, if they don't that is also fine. That's a good enough reason as to why you aren't owed an answer as to who they are.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

He was forced to out himself after you and a few others outed him first(and a sarcasm thread intended to out him as a form of baiting).. The rules only apply to your friends so it seems.

Not trying anything, just putting you straight. You're being a hypocrite when you were one of the ones who had no problem outing him.

Cool. Call me later about it.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

... it being "unfair" isn't a good enough reason....

Okay. Let's take fairness off the table.

After all, fairness is less important in a conversation than someone having to own a little embarrassment for their posting history.

And let's take the weighty burden of honest representation off the table too.

After all, undisclosed identities surely diminish suspicion and drama in a way that candor never could.

And let's maintain this norm of guesswork because it's easy.

After all, ease is a virtue which always includes what is right.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Anti-gay group makes a 'Nobody is Born Gay' clanger

You don't like my answers? Your problem, your biggest thing seems to be that it posed an inconvenience to you. You'll live.