"take a camel" says Ann Coulter

[scrapple]

Liberals are the most intolerant people I know. Freedom of speech, as long as it's "their" speech.

 

[BearBoi]

Ann Clouter is not entitled to a public platform; but she is still free to speak. Rescinding the invitation for her to appear at a particular event does not tantamount to censoring her freedom of speech. That is pure hyperbole. Her books are still sold on Canadian shelves; she is still interviewed on TV and radio; she had the option to leave school property and address her fans at virtually any venue, or even on the street.

Canada has incredible and cherished Free Speech laws. I find that when people complain about "censorship" it is actually code for, "I can't rent a billboard calling for the extermination of Jews! I’m outraged!"

And at least that much is true. Publically inciting violence and hatred against segments of society is called out for what it is; and it has nothing to do with "Free Speech."

Some less-reported facts about Ann’s visit to Canada:

- Ann Clouter’s speaking tour is being sponsored by International Free Press Society, a conservative group whose main website presents Islam as the pre-eminent threat to democracy and free speech across the western world.

- Ann Clouter has repeatedly called for the genocide and religious extermination of Muslims. At her appearance in Cornell, Ontario she took a moment to verbally accost a 17 year old Muslim girl.

- Ms. Coulter's is reportedly paid $10,000-per-speech, but her fee is being subsidized by the Claire Boothe Luce Policy Institute -- a Right Wing AMERICAN group.

 

[rareboy]

Bearboi nailed it.

So Ann. Go fuck yourself.

And Scrapple. Read my other post. Being a social liberal doesn't have to mean that you have to let the Ann Coulters of this world go unchallenged.

That's not intolerance. That is fighting fire with fire and for too long and too many occasions, liberal thinkers have been forced to accept that they have to put up with any shit served up by the right wing fascists because to do otherwise would betray their liberal values. a lot of those people have ended up in the ovens, in concentration camps and jails.

Well. Fuck that. This is one homo that isn't going to let that cunt incite people into sewing triangles and stars on our clothes. Not in my country. Not in my lifetime.

 

[Sausy]

I think the notion of "freedom of speech" is very much overrated, because so many people abuse the privilege.

And who should be the arbiter of "responsible"speech?You fight back with your own speech.That is paternalistic thinking that would draw howls from the left coming if Ann Coulter made that remark.She does things for shock value,she's an ass and a bigot.Let her speak but challenge her,stand your ground to those who think like her.

 

[rareboy]

Why isn't anyone getting it.

No one is preventing Coulter from dissembling.

She has all the fucking free speech she wants.

But any organization that is going to have someone come and speak is entitled to lay groundrules for a speech. And no one forced her to cancel the speech. She could have given it right across the street.

Jesus Christ in a cracker. Will no one rid us of this troublesome harpy?

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

 

[LiquidSky]

I am sorry but can someone please explain to me how silencing her hate mongering in Canada is somehow showing the ugliness beneath our caring facades?...

We are supposed to be tolerant of her intolerance.

 

[Joshua_me]

Jesus Christ in a cracker. Will no one rid us of this troublesome harpy?

Well, so far natural selection has failed us...

Perhaps some sort of harpoon...

 

[ibill1]

Because, who's defining "hate"? The majority? A religion? A political party?

I say let everyone say what they will, and let the chips fall where they may.

Canada has, in some ways, been less free the the States.

Their laws against porn were harsh, while our Supreme Court upheld the rights of free speech and the ability to sell and distribute pornography.

The woman is a parasite. Getting rich by being insane and having all the other nut cases following her antics to make their lives more interesting.

Who defines hate? No one needs to unless you're 3. Anyone who advocates harm or discriminatation against another group or individual is spewing hate. Whether it is a crime or not is not the point.

 

[MercuryJones]

Voltaire, by modern standards, would be considered right wing.

An odd statement, given that the organization mot representative of the the spirit of Voltaire's famous aphorism is the ACLU - widely considered far left, and a favorite target of the right wing for demonization.

 

[josher]

1) I think Anne Coulter is one savvy cookie, who realized she could make a bundle of money by becoming the female Rush Limbaugh and pandering to the neuroses of the right wingers. She doesn't care one whit about most of the things she carps about. And she'll never persue this so-called discrimination case. It's all about PR.

2) I am so far to the left, I'm practically a Marxist.

3) As an American, I consider freedom of speech and assembly our most important freedoms . And I think most "hate speech" laws ARE fascist, unless someone is inviting actual physical violence against someone or some group. Stupid, bigoted people have the same right to free public speech as I have.

People outside the US have a difficult time understanding this. But it's particularly sad that so many Americans, particularly young people, don't understand that the same rights that enable gay people to promote freedom and justice for us, apply to those who disagree with us. If a governemnt can tell Anne Coulter to keep silent, it can turn around and say the same thing to us.

4) I find it particularly amusing that many of the same people praising the Canadian hate-speech law for protecting religious people from said speech would presumably be subject to arrest there for some of the public remarks concerning religion posted right here in this forum.

 

[MercuryJones]

If a governemnt can tell Anne Coulter to keep silent, it can turn around and say the same thing to us.

Indeed. Though that's not what happened.

 

[BlondeCanadian]

Also I do not think that it has been stressed here enough.... SHEEEE canceled her lecture. government didnt stomp in there and silence her....I wish we had gotten the chance to through her in jail for her hate... but i wish that the universities didnt invite her here in the first place.. I feel almost like they made her viewpoints valid and worth considering by letting her lecture.... the bitch should be on a soap box somewhere with the other loons

 

[Jack Springer]

Society defines what is and what is not acceptable.

As the views of society change, so does the policy of the government and the laws of the land. What is acceptable in one country may not be acceptable in another. The close proximity and the similarities in so many areas between the USA and Canada leads some people to believe that it is just one big country and they forget or take for granted the fact that they are now entering a sovereign nation. As much as some Americans would like to believe that the laws of the USA extend beyond the borders of their own nation and take presidence over the laws of other nations, it just isn't the case.

Ann Coulter has every right to say whatever she wishes to say while she is in Canada. However, the laws of Canada do not permit an individual to target another individual or group on the bases of their religion, race, and/or sexuality. She was advised by the University to make herself aware of these laws as the University, which had invited her to speak, was aware of her 'outspoken' views. Miss Coulter could have easily engaged in a civilized debate on the topic of her choosing and exercised her right to freedom of speech which is guaranteed in Canada. Miss Coulter, however, decided to cancel her speaking engagement at the University of Ottawa and complain that her civil rights had been violated.

It all comes down to respecting the laws of your host nation. 'When in Rome'.

Canada is a very free society which has recognised the needs of individuals who would otherwise have no voice, protection or representation. Their rights, as well as the rights of all citizens of Canada, are now protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

With reagrds to 'let everyone say what they will, and let the chips fall where they may' ... Canadians saw exactly where the 'chips' were falling and over time they initiated change to ensure that the rights of the individual were protected.


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So let me get this straight. Canadian laws allow a conservative speaker to have their life threatened but do not allow here to express her views?

If that is true and only the rights of "some" are allowed in Canada - then you are losing out on your freedoms.

 

[BlondeCanadian]

how was her life threatened? i do not see death threats mentioned anywhere? and we all know the bitch would be preaching if it actually did happen

 

[Knucklehead]

Society defines what is and what is not acceptable.

As the views of society change, so does the policy of the government and the laws of the land. What is acceptable in one country may not be acceptable in another. The close proximity and the similarities in so many areas between the USA and Canada leads some people to believe that it is just one big country and they forget or take for granted the fact that they are now entering a sovereign nation. As much as some Americans would like to believe that the laws of the USA extend beyond the borders of their own nation and take presidence over the laws of other nations, it just isn't the case.

Ann Coulter has every right to say whatever she wishes to say while she is in Canada. However, the laws of Canada do not permit an individual to target another individual or group on the bases of their religion, race, and/or sexuality. She was advised by the University to make herself aware of these laws as the University, which had invited her to speak, was aware of her 'outspoken' views. Miss Coulter could have easily engaged in a civilized debate on the topic of her choosing and exercised her right to freedom of speech which is guaranteed in Canada. Miss Coulter, however, decided to cancel her speaking engagement at the University of Ottawa and complain that her civil rights had been violated.

It all comes down to respecting the laws of your host nation. 'When in Rome'.

Canada is a very free society which has recognised the needs of individuals who would otherwise have no voice, protection or representation. Their rights, as well as the rights of all citizens of Canada, are now protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

With reagrds to 'let everyone say what they will, and let the chips fall where they may' ... Canadians saw exactly where the 'chips' were falling and over time they initiated change to ensure that the rights of the individual were protected.


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Great post.Remember,an ACE OF SPADES always trumps a NINE OF CLUBS

how was her life threatened? i do not see death threats mentioned anywhere? and we all know the bitch would be preaching if it actually did happen

Silly rabbit.You live in the reality based community.It's important to remember,when dealing with right wingers,that they are shameless,habitual liars.They will lie at any time about anything.As long as it would appear to prop up whatever weak assed argument they put foward then they will never hesitate to lie.

To a right winger, it's not important whether or not what they are saying is true.While you deal with their lies, they create/spin a new reality. They've been doing this for years.

Ann Clouter is not entitled to a public platform; but she is still free to speak. Rescinding the invitation for her to appear at a particular event does not tantamount to censoring her freedom of speech. That is pure hyperbole. Her books are still sold on Canadian shelves; she is still interviewed on TV and radio; she had the option to leave school property and address her fans at virtually any venue, or even on the street.

Canada has incredible and cherished Free Speech laws. I find that when people complain about "censorship" it is actually code for, "I can't rent a billboard calling for the extermination of Jews! I’m outraged!"

And at least that much is true. Publically inciting violence and hatred against segments of society is called out for what it is; and it has nothing to do with "Free Speech."

Some less-reported facts about Ann’s visit to Canada:

- Ann Clouter’s speaking tour is being sponsored by International Free Press Society, a conservative group whose main website presents Islam as the pre-eminent threat to democracy and free speech across the western world.

- Ann Clouter has repeatedly called for the genocide and religious extermination of Muslims. At her appearance in Cornell, Ontario she took a moment to verbally accost a 17 year old Muslim girl.

- Ms. Coulter's is reportedly paid $10,000-per-speech, but her fee is being subsidized by the Claire Boothe Luce Policy Institute -- a Right Wing AMERICAN group.

Good post Bearboi. What's amazing is that anyone could find anything about that cunt worthy of defending.What completely defies the imagination, is that some of her most vociferous supporters are gay men,a group of people whom Ms.Coulter has repeatedly atatcked and de-humanized.

These people obviously have deep seated emotional issues regarding their self worth as members of our societies.Because they are fucked up in the head, they believe,the rest of us are all supposed to allow this cunts hateful remarks to go unchallenged.Not likely.

They may enjoy groveling at the feet of right wingers who view them as just a little above dog shit ,but they shouldn't expect the rest of us to.

Bearboi nailed it.

So Ann. Go fuck yourself.

And Scrapple. Read my other post. Being a social liberal doesn't have to mean that you have to let the Ann Coulters of this world go unchallenged.

That's not intolerance. That is fighting fire with fire and for too long and too many occasions, liberal thinkers have been forced to accept that they have to put up with any shit served up by the right wing fascists because to do otherwise would betray their liberal values. a lot of those people have ended up in the ovens, in concentration camps and jails.

Well. Fuck that. This is one homo that isn't going to let that cunt incite people into sewing triangles and stars on our clothes. Not in my country. Not in my lifetime.

Amazing isn't it? These right wing rodents launch a full frontal attack on just about every minority group in the world, yet when liberals fight back, they are called intolerant.

They are correct in at least one respect.I have very limited tolerance for them,their leaders,or their agenda.I have even less tolerance for gays who side with these animals or defend their right to spew their hate..

 

[rareboy]

So let me get this straight. Canadian laws allow a conservative speaker to have their life threatened but do not allow here to express her views?

If that is true and only the rights of "some" are allowed in Canada - then you are losing out on your freedoms.

Jesus fucking wept.

This is one of the stupidest things ever written and that is saying something.

No one stopped her from giving her speech. But the University has the right to allow or disallow whatever they want to on their property.

I notice that she didn't just rent a hall at one of the many nearby hotels in Ottawa to give her speech. Why is that? There was nothing to prevent her, as a paid flack, from delivering her message in Canada. Nothing. At all.

So don't preach to us about rights and freedoms.

 

[BigDestiny]

Liberals are the most intolerant people I know. Freedom of speech, as long as it's "their" speech.

I'm probably going to regret getting involved in this, but could one of you 'defend the right to say it' proponents please explain to me why it's worse living under liberal 'fascism', where you can't say certain things (ie- hate speech), than living under conservative tyranny, where you can't DO certain things? Seems more oppressive to me.

Of course, maybe I won't regret saying that. Most of the time when I ask a reasonable question, it's ignored in favor of the latest hair pulling and name calling.

 

[Mstrshake]

Why is she still allowed to tread on any land mass?

 

[seven_sins]

I'm betting she can take a camel.