Tariffs in the second Trump Administration [SPLIT]

[KaraBulut]

If you want to hurt the Florida economy, the thing that will have the most impact is to do what people have already begun to do-- Don't come down here, don't vacation here, and don't become seasonal residents.

^Exactly. And this includes cruises, many of which depart from the Florida mainland. Florida benefits from cruise passengers flying into the state, staying at Florida hotels and patronizing businesses on the mainland.

Florida can probably hardly be considered a major orange producer anymore because of citrus greening disease, which has wiped out over 90% of the groves. There was a series of hard freezes in the 1980s, but probably largely due to climate change, there hasn't been a major freeze threat since 1989. And yes, hurricanes will wipe out a large portion of next year's crop, but the industry always seems to rebound in a couple of years.

I've also seen something that a saw in California- the land is more profitable to develop for residential and commercial use than agricultural use, especially down in south Florida. Most of the remaining large groves seem to be in the middle of the state around Orlando. I've also heard that the crackdown on illegal immigrants has hurt the industry, since they rely upon low-wage immigrant labor to harvest citrus.

Well, the number of Canadians going down to Florida has been dropping since 2016.

It also used to be that a Canadian family could fly to Florida, find a reasonable hotel room rate and stay for a few days. I used to see Quebec and Canadian flags next to the beach towels but, as the hotels have been replaced by high-rises and condos and it's more expensive, I'm not seeing as many Canadians vacationing in South Florida. They may be visiting cheaper areas in the northern area of the state but it's harder to get cheap, direct flights into places like Pensacola or Daytona Beach.

I remember when the Germans stopped coming to Miami when drug crime was so bad in the 80s and 90s. I suspect this tariff war with Canada might be when Canadians start permanently picking alternatives like Cuba or Mexico for their vacations.

 

[rareboy]

I think it is the last straw.

The last of the people we knew who still wintered in Florida...and we used to know several dozen...cancelled their stay when Trump won in November.

I can't even begin to think now of anyone else who travels there. Maybe some still go to Key West? Maybe some of the Quebecois still travel to Florida, but Cuba, Mexico, Central America and now, even Hawaii had already become more popular. I posted previously the pic and story about how the people from central provinces have also stopped going to Arizona as much.

In part now, is also because Canadians are running into too many Americans who really do seem to think that the US should just take our country, or who support Trumpism.

One of the real tests will be Vegas.

If I hear that our friends and family who hit Vegas at least once a year suddenly stop going there, then I'll know that the world is changing.

 

[rareboy]

Gotta say...we liked our Jack Daniels.

But like all booze from the US it has developed a really bitter taste and shouldn't be on the shelves any more.

 

[rareboy]

So Peter Navarro is claiming that Canada has been taken over by Mexican cartels and Trumpco. still keep spouting the big lie that this is about fentanyl
because the President has to have some legal basis to impose tariffs as an emergency measure.

 

[rareboy]

These clowns have no fucking idea what they are doing except rigging the stock markets before they crash them.

So Canada, that is responsible for allowing .2% of the fentanyl being smuggled across the border by Americans in over 80% of the seizures still has tariffs today (except automobiles) but Mexico gets a whole extra month before they are imposed...

Too bad that the lies are so thick and the MAGAts are so stupid that they don't get what is happening.

So asking for a friend. Is tomorrow a tariff day? A no tariff day? Or just random tariffs on some things?

 

[KaraBulut]

So Canada, that is responsible for allowing .2% of the fentanyl being smuggled across the border by Americans in over 80% of the seizures still has tariffs today (except automobiles) but Mexico gets a whole extra month before they are imposed...

Melania doesn't want to sleep with Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo.

 

[KaraBulut]

Down, down, down... going down.

 

[rareboy]

They are just rigging the markets so that every time they fall, the shorts make out like bandits, the billionaires buy up more shares cheap and more wealth is transferred upward.

Eventually though, they will kill the consumer class.

 

[KaraBulut]

So, today the Presidementia said that he would be limiting the Canadian tariffs until 2-Apr, then after the markets rebounded, the said he might put on more tariffs tomorrow, or maybe the day after, or maybe not.

The markets looked like a yo-yo.

 

[KaraBulut]

...Florida can probably hardly be considered a major orange producer anymore because of citrus greening disease, which has wiped out over 90% of the groves...

Hey.... Speak of the devil (and slightly off-topic): Guess what the DOGEbags did?

They were working to ensure invasive pests didn't destroy U.S. crops — until they were abruptly fired

USDA experts have been swept up in the Trump administration’s frenzied and turbulent efforts to drastically shrink the federal workforce.

www.nbcnews.com

Jonah Ulmer was the federal government’s foremost authority on tiny invasive pests that most Americans have never heard of — but which can decimate crops across the U.S.

Known as thrips and psyllids, the gnat-sized insects often sneak into the country on imported flowers and produce — and it was the job of Ulmer and his colleagues at the U.S. Department of Agriculture to identify and quarantine highly destructive species that appear on perishable goods during the inspection process required at U.S. ports of entry.

But Ulmer was abruptly fired last month — swept up in the Trump administration’s frenzied and turbulent efforts to drastically shrink the federal workforce. He's one of at least 145 workers in plant protection alone who were terminated, including entomologists, soil conservationists and tree climbers who hunt for pests, according to a list of terminated job titles obtained by NBC News.

Even though they canned the experts, they didn't take down the USDA webpage patting themselves on the back for having that team working on citrus greening disease!

Saving Florida's Citrus Industry Through Collaboration and Innovation

www.usda.gov

 

[cityboy-stl]

 

[rareboy]

Canada has suspended imports from biggest US pork processing plant in North Carolina - shipments valued at about $850 million.

Not seeing how a trade war is helping anyone?

 

[rareboy]

Meanwhile...this is what the future will increasingly look like. Canada will import directly into Canada instead of through US ports. Not likely as efficient in terms of bulk shipping, but doable in order to avoid US tariffs that will likely be imposed on Europe and then built into the final product price.

 

[KaraBulut]

There are still a few hours left in the trading day, but the markets are still dropping over fears of recession, trade wars and an insane, unchecked autocrat using "emergency powers" he gave himself to change tariff policy every few hours.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/10/trump-greater-tariff-and-trade-clarity-is-what-all-ceos-always-want.html

Trump rejects pleas from business for more clarity on tariffs: ‘They always say that’

 

[rareboy]

Trump wants to crash the economy. It is that simple.

And now apparently he will use death by a thousand cuts to do it.

Always remember....the billionaires always make out like bandits in a recession.

 

[Norri]

There are still a few hours left in the trading day, but the markets are still dropping over fears of recession, trade wars and an insane, unchecked autocrat using "emergency powers" he gave himself to change tariff policy every few hours.

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Trump appears willing to sacrifice the 401ks of those working in the much larger service sector of the economy in order to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US. In a democracy that is a very stupid strategy given the number of voters he is hurting as opposed to helping.

If Trump thinks American voters are willing to suffer a little today for a supposedly better tomorrow he knows them not at all. It’s not John Kennedy’s ‘ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country’ America it’s Roland Reagan’s ‘are you better off today than you were 4 yrs ago’ America and that includes his miserable followers.

If Trump induces a recession he might want to cancel those midterms.

 

[KaraBulut]

The loss in the market doubled since noon. There was an "irrational exuberance" increase in the market after Trump's election. He has officially succeeded in erasing those gains and putting the market in negative territory.

 

[Norri]

And the Vix was up almost 20% in a single day…..that is not a good indication for tomorrow’s market.

For me it’s a first, I’m losing money and I hope to loose more.

 

[rareboy]

Trump appears willing to sacrifice the 401ks of those working in the much larger service sector of the economy in order to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US. In a democracy that is a very stupid strategy given the number of voters he is hurting as opposed to helping.

If Trump thinks American voters are willing to suffer a little today for a supposedly better tomorrow he knows them not at all. It’s not John Kennedy’s ‘ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country’ America it’s Roland Reagan’s ‘are you better off today than you were 4 yrs ago’ America and that includes his miserable followers.

If Trump induces a recession he might want to cancel those midterms.

The idea that manufacturing returning to the US is ridiculous when you consider that all the oligarchs have made their rotunes by outsourcing to low wage, often tropical or semi-tropical countries.

The current demographics and birth rates don't support having a slave class.

Oh. Wait a minute.

You could make the entire south a fucking hellhole of sweatshops and it wouldn't be able to compete with off shore manufacturing.

And the thing about a slave based manufacturing economy is that it isn't sustainable on domestic consumption. YOU NEED A LARGE CONSUMER CLASS.

This is all the fever dream of 21st century imperialists thinking they can roll the clock back to the early industrial age in an AI automated economy.

And by the way...my money is on Trump instigating an actual war and cancelling the 2026 midterms. And the 2028 elections.

He and his cabal are playing for fucking keeps here.

 

[KaraBulut]

The idea that manufacturing returning to the US is ridiculous when you consider that all the oligarchs have made their rotunes by outsourcing to low wage, often tropical or semi-tropical countries.

I once heard George Will remark that Americans want to get every dollar of government services, they just want to pay 75 cents for it.

The same could be said of globalization. They love cheap shit from Walmart. They just don't seem to understand that all that cheap shit they love to buy is the driving force that has destroyed the low-skilled, high-wage jobs that started going overseas in the 1980s.

Of course, back in the 1980s, Sam Walton was still bragging about how buying from Walmart was "buying American".

The same people will still be shopping at Walmart... and Home Depot... and Best Buy... buying stuff made in China, but they'll just be paying 10% (or 25% or 50%) more for it, thanks to the capricious whims of a big orange toddler in the White House, and the stuff will still be cheaper than if it were made in America.