Tariffs in the second Trump Administration [SPLIT]

[Norri]

MSN

Just about everything he's done is Unconstitutional.

What’s just as bad is when they try to explain to us ignorant voters what the constitution actually does mean. When Rubio explains that constitutionality foreign policy is not a matter for the courts as it’s completely under the purview of the president he is totally wrong and no doubt he’s aware of that. Congress and only congress has the constitutional authority to send US troops into battle not the president so if a president believes otherwise the courts do have a role in foreign policy.

They say stuff like this so their ignorant followers will go on social media and amplify the message and many will believe what Rubio said. Will the gaslighting ever end?

 

[KaraBulut]

What’s just as bad is when they try to explain to us ignorant voters what the constitution actually does mean. ...They say stuff like this so their ignorant followers will go on social media and amplify the message and many will believe what Rubio said. Will the gaslighting ever end?

I agree but this is a symptom of another problem.

We have allowed the President to gain powers because the Congress is so dysfunctional. The Congress is so dysfunctional because we are, in the words of Liz Cheney, electing idiots to Congress.

History shows us that the State Legislatures and the American public has elected some pretty awful, deeply flawed individuals to Congress. However, it's rare that we have this protracted run of dysfunction in Congress.

The system is designed so that three individual branches of government are supposed to be in contention. One branch of government is now complicit with the lawlessness of the other.

The American public is the only possibility of fixing this problem.

 

[rareboy]

So trump thinks that tariffs of 245% on some products from China is now the answer.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong has suspended shipment of any packages to the US.

 

[TX-Beau]

...Trump’s approval rating among independents on the [economy] has plunged along with the Dow, dropping 30 points over three months, according to [CNN data Analyst Harry Enten's] aggregate numbers. “What independents are hearing from Donald Trump, they hate,” Enten said. “They hate what they’re hearing from Donald Trump and they are abandoning him in record numbers.” Enten said there’s never been a swing like that before. “This is such a record that there is no historical analogy,” he said...

MSN

https://forums.justusboys.com/media/whambulance.879593/

"WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!!!!! We're not brown!...when you said you'd do that, it was so stu[pid I thought it was just good campaign fun..."

Fucking idiots.

 

[smokeshadow]

TX - you ask for it. . .you got it

 

[KaraBulut]

The White House's alternative math doesn't seem to be panning out...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/16/us-customs-tariffs-revenue-generated-since-april-5.html

• U.S. Customs and Border Protection told CNBC the department has collected more than $500 million under Trump’s latest tariffs.
• Trump has repeatedly said the United States is taking in $2 billion per day from tariffs.
• CBP says the average $250 million a day was collected even during the glitch that impacted freight already on the water.

 

[rareboy]

Tit for tat tariffs are one thing.

Cutting the US out as a supplier is another.

This is ALL on TrumpCo.

First, all the NATO allies and other tariffed countries are considering the cancellation of their Lockheed Martin planes, but losing the domestic plane market could put tens and of thousands of US jobs that directly and indirectly work in the airplane industry in peril.

China orders its airlines to stop accepting deliveries of Boeing jets, report says

As its trade war with the U.S. widens, China has ordered its airlines to stop accepting Boeing jet deliveries, Bloomberg reports.

www.cbsnews.com

I may have understated the magnitude of the lost orders and numbers of jobs at stake in the US.

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[KaraBulut]

Everybody going down, going down, going down...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/16/powell-indicates-tariffs-could-pose-a-two-pronged-policy-challenge-for-the-fed-.html

Powell indicates tariffs could pose a challenge for the Fed between controlling inflation and boosting growth

• Fed Chair Jerome Powell said Wednesday that the central bank could find itself in a dilemma between controlling inflation and supporting economic growth.
• “If that were to occur, we would consider how far the economy is from each goal, and the potentially different time horizons over which those respective gaps would be anticipated to close,” he said for a speech in Chicago.
• Powell gave no indication on where he sees interest rates headed, but noted that, “For the time being, we are well positioned to wait for greater clarity before considering any adjustments to our policy stance.”

 

[Norri]

The loss of jobs is not what will get the attention of the Trump administration as they had to expect some job losses with all they have done. If you want to get their attention something they were not expecting needs to happen. If the countries who buy US debt just stop bying it or even just reduce their purchase amount by 25-30% that would scare the crap out of them. It’s not something they can spin or gaslight the population over. When you’re broke you’re broke.

I’ll be keeping an eye on the sale of T-bills and given the size of the deficit they happen every week.

 

[Norri]

I agree but this is a symptom of another problem.

We have allowed the President to gain powers because the Congress is so dysfunctional. The Congress is so dysfunctional because we are, in the words of Liz Cheney, electing idiots to Congress.

I don’t think the problem is necessarily in who we elect, it’s what happens to them once they get there. They all love their jobs more than their values or their country and they never want to leave. This has been going on for more than 40yrs as Congress delegates more and more of its authority to the executive branch. (as an aside congress delegates so much that in the Chevron decision the court said congress can’t delegate certain functions to the executive now I don’t believe the court has the authority to tell Congress that and an energetic Congress would, after that decision, pass the law again and tag it so it’s not reviewable by the court sending them back to their lane)

In the time of Trump we know that only 2 republican members of congress put country above their jobs. As voters our sin is in reelecting them again and again so we are not without blame……..I don’t know maybe there’s something in the water in DC.

 

[rareboy]

The US Congress is now a feckless and ineffective body full of career flunkies owned by big money. It is now seen as a sure way to become a multi-millionaire with a lifetime sinecure because of gerrymandering.

As you note, Congress has gleefully handed over all the real power to the Executive Branch in order to focus on egregious pork barrel spending.

There are only handful of real heroes in Congress now...none on the GQP side and the few Dems who don't see everything as a two year election campaign.

 

[TX-Beau]

I don’t think the problem is necessarily in who we elect, it’s what happens to them once they get there. They all love their jobs more than their values or their country and they never want to leave. This has been going on for more than 40yrs as Congress delegates more and more of its authority to the executive branch. (as an aside congress delegates so much that in the Chevron decision the court said congress can’t delegate certain functions to the executive now I don’t believe the court has the authority to tell Congress that and an energetic Congress would, after that decision, pass the law again and tag it so it’s not reviewable by the court sending them back to their lane)

In the time of Trump we know that only 2 republican members of congress put country above their jobs. As voters our sin is in reelecting them again and again so we are not without blame……..I don’t know maybe there’s something in the water in DC.

Billionaires, Lobbyists, and ultimately bribes, either bald-faced cash or tit for tat.

It's not surprising that elections that raise billions of dollars to win have huge problems with corruption and the people they attract and corrupt.

 

[rareboy]

Meanwhile...as I have noted...Canada is only America's hostage as long as we permit it.

Strategically, the US likely shouldn't have alienated both Beijing and Ottawa at the same time.

 

[KaraBulut]

I don’t think the problem is necessarily in who we elect, it’s what happens to them once they get there...

It's both.

When you elect people like Marjorie Taylor Greene- a well-documented nepo-baby QAnon conspiracy theorist who was fucking men at the gym she owned, even though she was married with chlidren, that's on you.

When you re-elect the MTGs, the accused felons, the sexual predators and the philanderers, that's on you.

When you see someone like Elise Stefanik [R-NY], a Harvard graduate who ran as a moderate, turn into a MAGA Republican who rises into Republican leadership after just 6 years in Congress, it does show what the lure of power does to a person. Remember, she was a big proponent of George Santos when he was elected to Congress in 2022.

You can also see what all the wining and dining with lobbyists does on the outside:

Stefanik in 2014 when she was elected:


Stefanik in 2024:


Another great example- Mike Pompeo [R-KS] when he was in Washington:


Pompeo after he left Washington:


Unfortunately, there's no brain scan available to demonstrate whatever happened to someone like Nancy Mace [R-SC] who mentally unravels more and more with each Congressional term.

These politicians are weak, amoral opportunists on the inside when they arrive. Washington just accelerates the rot.

 

[rareboy]

California has one of the largest economies in the world.

And they are pushing back.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/16/trump-tariff-lawsuit-california.html

 

[rareboy]

Americans wantmanufacturing jobs brought back to the U.S., but only if they don’t have to work them.

A Cato Institute survey shows 80% believe the country would benefit from more manufacturing jobs, but only 25% would personally prefer one.

Americans want more U.S. factory jobs—as long as they don’t have to work them

“Such jobs can’t find enough interested Americans to fill them.”

www.yahoo.com

 

[KaraBulut]

Down again.



Since the election:

 

[KaraBulut]

The Daily Decline to the Trump Recession...

 

[rareboy]

When it is no longer worth the trouble to deliver...DHL has suspended deliveries of high value parcels in the US.

Trump tariffs: DHL suspends high value US deliveries

The postal giant will stop shipping packages to American consumers after a rise in red tape at customs.

www.bbc.com

 

[KaraBulut]

No resurrection, so far... 11:30AM ET.