Teenager killed for being gay.

[valis23]

I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if it was your kid being murdered and never coming back.

Revenge? That's no more rational than the kid's original action. I'd like to think I'd be above that. There have been a few times in my life I wanted revenge, but over the years I've come to understand it accomplishes nothing -not even for me.

 

[valis23]

Hey Surge -just a question. What's your take on mentally disabled people who kill someone?

 

[theblackajah]

The kid is damaged goods and will be a great strain on society for the rest of his years. Best be rid of him.

 

[sunoftheskye]

I wonder if there's any possibility the murderer was afraid of being gay himself, or worried that he was becoming gay, and so externalized the problem?

Sorry; I just feel sorry for this kid...As has been said, 14-year-olds are not the most rational of thinkers...

RG

Oh that's a definite possibility. It's still a hate crime, though.

 

[valis23]

This little murderer needs to be stuck in jail the rest of his life with nothing to do but think about what he did. That will be more torture than being put to death. The kid he killed won't get a 2nd chance, why should he?

I never said he shouldn't be locked up or punished. I question whether the very Conservative view of "Lock 'em up and throw away the key" is really the best solution.

Also, I would argue that the mental disability question is relevant. There are varying levels of retardation. This country has executed killers classified as "mildly retarded". Many psychiatrists will also draw parallels between adolescence and mental disability because they are in some ways extremely similar.

 

[Giovanni]

You all are some really hateful guys. Being raped is worse than being murdered to some people.

I don't wish rape on anyone except rapists and child molesters.

But there is a bias here. if this kid killed a straight boy, none of your would be up at arms like you all are now.

Murder is murder, no matter the victim. He should get the death penalty. If you can do the crime, you can take the consequences.

I don't say this kid should die because I'm bisexual, I say it because I'm pro death penalty and I think murderers should meet the same end as their victims. Hell, let the victim's families preform the execution.

 

[Giovanni]

I don't think anybody should be raped...but..can you explain this statement?

I mean....how do you ask the dead people if being raped would have been worse?

And, lets say it's a proven fact that being raped is worse than death. Maybe that is the level of punishment some people think he deserves.

You know how some people feel that some fates are worse than death, like becoming a vegetable. Some people rather die than have some things happen to them.

The kid deserves an execution just like any other murderer. I think it's sad that people are wishing rape on a kid.

 

[Giovanni]

It's okay to wish death...but not rape? I don't wish him rape and I don't wish him death. I hope he gets help. I wish we lived in a society that didn't raise kids to think gay people are walking sin, abominations or lower humans -- unequal. I wish we lived in a society that didn't teach kids it one of the worst things ever to be seen as a gay person if you are straight.

I hope Brandon gets help.

You got it wrong. I don't wish death. I think all murderers deserve to be executed. The death penalty is the usual sentence for murder in this country.

 

[kidwithathorn]

What country is that?

I want to move there.

I can tell you one thing. If this kid Brandon happened to be gay and killed a straight kid, I'd probably be moved to having him killed.

Same thing as straight/gay. This kid murdered someone. He had all intent to, he planned to, and went through with it. I say that he should be killed.

A killer is a killer. Regardless of age, gender, skin tone, or sexuality.

 

[drhladnjak]

I just think the whole thing is very sad. This kid is not going to get help. He's being thrown away for the rest of his life. Have any of you interacted with a 14 year old lately? They're really young and make all sorts of bad decisions.

Also, the death penalty is not the usual sentence in the US for murder. 138 people were sentenced to death in the entire US in 2005, while there were 16,692 cases of murder in that same year.

 

[Kulindahr]

I don't say this kid should die because I'm bisexual, I say it because I'm pro death penalty and I think murderers should meet the same end as their victims. Hell, let the victim's families preform the execution.

That would be more in line with justice than the State doing it. But as someone who has done a bit of counseling, and someone who has drawn a firearm on another human, I'd advise them against it: taking someone else's life into your own hands will haunt you forever, and shouldn't be done unless you're actually under attack.

Being raped is worse than being murdered to some people.

I don't think anybody should be raped...but..can you explain this statement?

I mean....how do you ask the dead people if being raped would have been worse?

I can explain it: at a deep level, getting raped never stops -- ever.
Death is seen as happening, and being over.

 

[Kulindahr]

At 14 he should be tried as an adult, but not sentenced as one.
Here's a place, though, that with all the good intentions around, the government will screw it up. At 14, the kid can be helped, but he won't be: he'll either go to Crime U, and learn how to be a better criminal, or other ways to be a criminal, and learn that crime=status, or he'll be sent to some "reform" place where he'll learn to laugh at authority, and come out as much a delinquent as he went in, and likely with little further personal development.
Odds are he won't even come close to getting that he should, which would be a grounding in the reality that he owns himself. He can't blame his actions on anyone else; he owns them. He can't just get away without consequences, because those come with actions, and he owns them, too. In an ideal universe, it would be possible to subject him to the very experience he put his victim through, to make clear to him just what it is that he owns. As it is, what his victim, and the victim's family, went through and are going through should be made as real to him as possible, and it should be pounded into him that he won't get to just die, rather he'll have to live with it. What he did should be pounded into him so deeply that it will be as if he had been raped -- a memory that won't leave him alone, won't stop haunting him, will ambush him at unexpected moments.
That, he deserves. The victim of rape never asked for that burden, and the victim's family never asked for it -- but he asked for it. By making a decision to end someone else's life, he asked for it, whether he knew it or not. The rape victim doesn't own that nightmare, but the killer does -- he bought it, and owns it, and has to be made to own it if he's to be accepted back as a human being.

 

[Kulindahr]

To add to that, death is seen as inevitable. Everyone is going to die, if someone dies prematurely, violently, it happens, it's over, and it hurts but it's expected. Rape victims are selected, they're a chosen few and their fate isn't shared with everyone.

Painfully, agonizingly true.

 

[chillyboi]

hopefully the shooter will rot in hell

 

[Yuki Sohma]

The teenager sometimes wore feminine clothing and makeup, and proclaimed he was gay, students said.

"He would come to school in high-heeled boots, makeup, jewelry and painted nails -- the whole thing," said Michael Sweeney, 13, an eighth-grader. "That was freaking the guys out."

Very sad..............


So think about it..............I ask the question "when will our society get over it and finally truly allow freedom of self-expression for the sake of self-expression itself"..............Peace..............Yuki

p.s.

One day I am instant messaging with my friend's mom and we are discussing our favorite colors because I choose to sometimes use colorful fonts..............so during the conversation I mention that I like the color pink and Rey's mom writes back "Oh so you must be gay"..............kinda' saddddddddd..............

 

[Telstra]

I read the story of this guy who killed some other guy who parked his car on his sidewalk, and also the guy's entire family. Then, when the cops came to arrest him he resisted arrest and shot like 3 cops. Eventually, when he was arrested and sent to court, he managed to slit the judge's throat with a shard of glass he had managed to conceal somehow. Some guys are just super-violent psychos, and for as long as they breathe they will keep hurting and killing people. The fear of legal punishment that works to dissuade normal people don't work on these guys, because their brains function differently and they are almost completely fearless.

prevention is better then cure. People do not become violent over night.

 

[Giovanni]

This is from Larry's dad.



I get the feeling that he didn't understand his son very well.

Link

I do feel that the gay community only cares about Larry because he was gay. And I feel the dad is right. All too often tragedies get turned into political weapons.