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Tell me more about Andreus

Wait...

So Enchanted quite happily put up with all the shit and drama and accusations and sniping directly at him associated with his other threads, but after starting THIS one and all its mudslinging he decided to self-delete?

The mind boggles.

-d-
 
^ Very well put, Hard-up1! :=D: ..|
 
Wow,I discoverd something very interesting about this case.
Still,maybe it's to early to open my mouth,as I'm not completly sure.Maybe it's only coincidence.
 
Sex Kitten said:
Wow,I discoverd something very interesting about this case.
Still,maybe it's to early to open my mouth,as I'm not completly sure.Maybe it's only coincidence.
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ON another site, that would be called "vaguebooking."
 
I don't want to lose good friends because of my views, but I'm actually quite passionate about this.

I've only always been on JUB to make connections with real gay and bisexual people. When Andreus was going through his problems, I actually thought about him quite a bit. I don't believe that to be fair, if it wasn't true. Sure there's stuff like sloppyseconds around, but he's obvious and is not connecting with other jubbers, or impacting on their lives.

There really is heaps of stuff to make me sceptical, even in this thread.

For example, he was supposed to be conscious of his body, not thinking it was good enough, and yet he apparently enjoyed walking around nude in front of others. Doesn't make sense.

Mitri has a mental disability, and yet after Andreus' death, he travels from Greece to the United States to live (let alone whether immigration would even let him in). And then do you guys remember when Andreus was in hospital, how we were all so concerned we rallied around organising a card from JUB to send to the hospital? Mitri came on and told us not to do it because his parents didn't know Andreus was gay. And yet in this thread, his father apparently blamed Andreus for making Mitri gay. Which is it? The father knew or the father didn't know? And also with Mitri's disability, although in broken English, his posts were always very intelligent, and in the same short, one paragraph sentence, posting style as Andreus

There is much more I can say, but these are the sorts of things that have made me sceptical. I also think it fair that its ok to express such scepticism. I much prefer to find to truth, if there is doubt. Kahil having websites doesn't cut it.
 
Before I decide to reveal something,I have to talk with some people on here that knew him better.
And,don't pm me.I know who I have to talk with.
 
Sex Kitten said:
Wow,I discoverd something very interesting about this case.
Still,maybe it's to early to open my mouth,as I'm not completly sure.Maybe it's only coincidence.
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There seem to be a Lot of 'coincidences'. And, though I'd be interested in hearing more about them, I'm still thinking they are all simply that ... Coincidences! Then again ... what do ANY of "Us" REALLY Know for Sure sure?

Another thing I'd like to hear about is how You became interested in all of this in the First place.

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz :D
 
justaguy said:
I don't want to lose good friends because of my views, but I'm actually quite passionate about this.

There is much more I can say, but these are the sorts of things that have made me sceptical. I also think it fair that its ok to express such scepticism. I much prefer to find to truth, if there is doubt. Kahil having websites doesn't cut it.
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There is NO reason you should loose "good friends" because of your views! Because, if that should happen, then they weren't "friends" to begin with, let alone "good" ones! [-X

Good Friends encourage each other to freely express themselves! (group)

Granted, I'm not as skeptical when perhaps I should be. However, that's just not My nature. No one has to Earn my Trust. Everyone has that until they do something to lose it. And, even then, it takes quite a bit to accomplish that. And, given the nature of the internet, I'll also grant I may be being too naive/optimistic! #-o :slap:

I guess ... all the more reasons to ... no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Chaz :luv:
 
Odd that you're one of the current JUBbers I've met in the flesh. So you know I'm real (on some level). Maybe The rest of JUB s my own creation. If so, any suggestions or pointers? :)

Lex
 
It's like a furry convention, or sci-fi, or cosplay. We all dress up in the outfit we want before joining in. And it's not always clear how much the costume reflects the wearer. And sometimes people decide they love the costume, and it puts the wearer in a bind. Do they keep the costume on, or do they start revealing who's wearing it?

Lex
 
stacy said:
I don't think it's good to feel duped by the people that "get" us. Or weary of making connections to others in the future. If you really wanted to make real and true connections you would go to a public bar, club, sports event, something that brings real people in the flesh to gather together and share a common hobby or whatnot.
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The bars *I* have been to, those people might be "in the flesh", but VERY FEW of them are any more 'real' then the cyber manifestations here. Often times those people also put on the face of whom they wish they were, hiding the baggage and insecurities and self doubts that make up who they really are on a day to day basis.

Anyone can be civil for a couple hours/short term.

Back stabbers and parasites are all over, in cyber space, and in real life.
 
stacy said:
You cannot get pissed off at anyone for not being real on the Internet. This isn't the local watering hole. It's a place where people come to be hidden, to be not themselves. That's a lesson I had to learn the hard way.
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I actually think for a lot of people it's the opposite. JUB is a place some gay guys come to to first explore the real them. It's a place where people can come to to connect to the gay world, and then hopefully discover it's not as scary as they originally thought (as far as some of the forums go anyway - other forums are just where they can look at some dirty pics). It's far better to have real gay and bisexual jubbers, and their real lives, however mundane they are. :) I know most of the people I know on here are real because their lives are just as mundane as mine. :) If they are godlike in appearance, mannerisms and personality, they have gone to Iraq as a bodyguard, been shot, become a prostitute, stop taking antivirals during ramadan, drop your brother downs some stairs giving him a head injury, and disappear without telling anyone (as an example), thats when you have to start wondering about realness.
 
^Presumably we do still draw the line at a Dahmer or a Gaddafi though, right?

-d-
 
Man, I find this thread absolutely fascinating! I haven't been around her too long but through this thread and my many PMs with certain individuals, even I know the truth now. Incredible!

Yes, the internet is the internet. No truth to be found here. Down right scary.
 
Andreus and I rarely got along. He was a self-destructive and unpleasant person who reveled in attention. Ultimately, his self-destructive behavior reflected on his untimely end. I still cared for his life though and pleaded with him not to go on that stupid fast when he was sick. He willingly wasted his life when he was perfectly capable of taking care of himself and living longer.
 
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