Tell me more about Andreus

[sixthson]

In life, both online and in day to day life, the wrong people often get the attention and adoration from others. Alive or dead, Andreus never deserved veneration.

I do remember a young nurse here who spoke of his fight with cancer, I believe it was. He talked about the birth of twins he helped deliver and how they handed these newborns over to two gay men to adopt. He lost his fight with his disease. He got nowhere near the attention that Andreus did, but he was a great man, in my opinion.

There was also another young man who talked about his colon cancer but always had the most upbeat attitude with no drama or plea for pity or attention. He doesn't post any more, so I imagine he is no longer with us, but his quiet life and courage filled me with respect and honor for him.

I'm sure everyone can think of someone they met here who impressed them with their life story. But for the most part, they will go unnoticed because thy didn't seek the spotlight. They knew who they were, they didn't need to be placed on a pedestal.
They remained here regardless if they went unnoticed by the majority. Those who seek the fame, the applause of others and the attention, they tend to leave if they don't get it. This speaks to their true worth.

 

[Telstra]

In life, both online and in day to day life, the wrong people often get the attention and adoration from others. Alive or dead, Andreus never deserved veneration.

I do remember a young nurse here who spoke of his fight with cancer, I believe it was. He talked about the birth of twins he helped deliver and how they handed these newborns over to two gay men to adopt. He lost his fight with his disease. He got nowhere near the attention that Andreus did, but he was a great man, in my opinion.

There was also another young man who talked about his colon cancer but always had the most upbeat attitude with no drama or plea for pity or attention. He doesn't post any more, so I imagine he is no longer with us, but his quiet life and courage filled me with respect and honor for him.

I'm sure everyone can think of someone they met here who impressed them with their life story. But for the most part, they will go unnoticed because thy didn't seek the spotlight. They knew who they were, they didn't need to be placed on a pedestal.
They remained here regardless if they went unnoticed by the majority. Those who seek the fame, the applause of others and the attention, they tend to leave if they don't get it. This speaks to their true worth.

I think he was a psychologist working in the prison, then his own practice ... ?
His whole pooing system removed or something. He probable no longer alive.

 

[sixthson]

I think he was a psychologist working in the prison, then his own practice ... ?
His whole pooing system removed or something. He probable no longer alive.

Yes, that is the guy. Thanks, Telstra.

 

[xbuzzerx]

If it does, then I don't think you are giving due credit to the "life" of Dreu on these boards when he was here. There is not another single member, not Elvin, not Jasun, not anyone, who has ever evoked this sort of following in the same manner, or for the same reasons.

If something more conclusive were proven about his supposed sock puppet status, then a ban, as all sock puppets are (supposedly) banned, should include The Garden of Memories.

As of now, nothing is proven, just endless speculation.

And my main point remains, those who "knew" Dreu on here are entitled to miss him, and it does no dishonor to the forum. Sounds a bit peevish to me, to quote Shakespeare, "like wrath in death, and envy after." We don't really need to hack at the limbs, do we?

As I said to Stacy in a more or less similar line of discussion.. I think it's a bit lumpish to throw in speculation (i.e. I bet he lied about his job!) with someone who claims to have known the person offline verifying hard facts about the person in question-- which we find out to be untrue.

The 2nd should be legitimate and fairly serious cause for doubt about someone's honesty and intentions in almost any context. And at that point saying the person has perpetuated falsehoods isn't speculation, it's fact. The only speculation is on how much farther the dishonesty went.

 

[refujiunderground]

It occurred to me, at the time, that "I REALLY HOPE THIS STORY IS A FAKE LIE." The alternative, if it's the truth, would mean that a Professor is out there in danger of having his career destroyed, or worse, over something entirely not his fault at all (aside from the bad decision to give answers before the exam). The story struck me as portraying the type of guy who could hold such a grudge that he could suddenly show up in class with a gun and start shooting people.

it has to be. yeah, there's teachers in high school and college that do have sex with their students. however, i don't think his story adds up. a teacher that kisses him on the cheek, then the mouth and then falls back out of fear. then him willing to ditch his childhood friend because they both have a crush on the same professor. if that's real, then i dunno.

something doesn't add up. my imagination is kind of running wild at the same time of the possibilities. maybe dude is real but lying about the story for attention. maybe dude is telling the truth. maybe dude is basically an alias with someone trying to lure someone else for different reasons, possibly trying to bait someone in here to date or to fuck. maybe dude is just having fun. maybe it's a crazy person but whatever the case, something doesn't add up here.

i wouldn't be surprised if something crazy happened next week.

 

[Kahaih]

In life, both online and in day to day life, the wrong people often get the attention and adoration from others. Alive or dead, Andreus never deserved veneration.

I do remember a young nurse here who spoke of his fight with cancer, I believe it was. He talked about the birth of twins he helped deliver and how they handed these newborns over to two gay men to adopt. He lost his fight with his disease. He got nowhere near the attention that Andreus did, but he was a great man, in my opinion.

There was also another young man who talked about his colon cancer but always had the most upbeat attitude with no drama or plea for pity or attention. He doesn't post any more, so I imagine he is no longer with us, but his quiet life and courage filled me with respect and honor for him.

I'm sure everyone can think of someone they met here who impressed them with their life story. But for the most part, they will go unnoticed because thy didn't seek the spotlight. They knew who they were, they didn't need to be placed on a pedestal.
They remained here regardless if they went unnoticed by the majority. Those who seek the fame, the applause of others and the attention, they tend to leave if they don't get it. This speaks to their true worth.

Very true. Good for you for having the balls to say so.


Excellent post, sixthson, all the way through.

 

[justaguy]

Very true. Good for you for having the balls to say so.


Excellent post, sixthson, all the way through.

I agree with that.

 

[rareboy]

^

...didn't you know?

The icon was already made up.

 

[pat grimshaw]

An obituary for sure. Common practice here for anyone, common or not.

Yes. It used to be common practice in Australia to announce births, deaths and marriages in local newspapers but that has really waned these last few decades.

 

[xbuzzerx]

It is exceedingly difficult to prove a negative. In this case, that "negative" would be the statement that "Andreus never existed."

Someone would have to know the IP from which he worked, get a courtorder for the Internet Provider to release the name, and actually send somebody to investigate the domicile. It would cost boo-coo $$ and I see no possibility that the owners would want to do that over a mirage.

So, by necessity, we have to do the second-best thing. BP has already asserted that 1)he knew "Andreus" intimately and 2)Andreus Thanos was his real name.

I've already proven that no one with that name has ever lived legally in the United States. I see no possibility that he could have worked in an emergency room, or enlisted in the Forces, as an illegal alien.

Where does that lead us? To only two possibilities:

*Either he existed, and made up his name, and lied through his teeth about everything in his life, or
*he never existed at all.

I really don't understand how you all could perceive any of this as "baseless speculation". (not necessarily you, Hard-up)

Furthermore, I think we can establish beyond a reasonable doubt that many of you are lying to yourselves. (Not necessarily you, Hard-up)
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Agreed. People are loosely operating as though speculation means "reasoning based off available evidence but doesn't lead to the conclusion you like." As Johann points out it would be impossible to prove Andreus never existed, it would involve being able to search the galaxy and be sure no alien entity or intelligence registered and communicated with us as "Andreus." However the available evidence doesn't support that the story of Andreus was true, it supports the opposite.

"Baseless speculation" is simply making things up out of thin air.

 

[eastofeden]

What rubbish.

Andreus Thanos lived just as surely as any character in a novel or movie, and yet may have been more than a sock puppet. We've listened to speculation and deduction and induction.

Scientists postulated that bumblebees could not fly. Well, they were wrong.

Even if Dreu is proven to be something less than a corpse or a model, his presence on the boards was real, and his loss is felt, whether it is the loss of a mirage or a person.

Is the Garden of Memories some sacred graveyard for the fallen JUB warriors? I think not.

Those who appreciated his wit and verve, do mourn his loss. Is it foolish or naive? Consider this. When a cinema fan sits in the dark and feels the tragic, the heroic, the daring, the foolish, the romantic, he is actually experiencing life more fully than he does in his quiet job at the toll booth or whatever. Is it reality? Absolutely not, but he is in fact enjoying and living life more fully, albeit vicariously. Why punish the JUB members who found that in a bright star, whatever the long gone Dreu actually was?

^^^^^THIS^^^^^^ My sentiments exactly.

I did not know him but I wish I had. This thread made me feel as though I missed something special.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Occam's razor is the law of parsimony, economy, or succinctness. It is a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected.

The principle is often incorrectly summarized as "other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one." In practice, the application of the principle often shifts the burden of proof in a discussion.[a] The razor states that one should proceed to simpler theories until simplicity can be traded for greater explanatory power. The simplest available theory need not be most accurate. Philosophers point out also that the exact meaning of simplest may be nuanced.

The razor's statement that "simpler explanations are, other things being equal, generally better than more complex ones" is amenable to empirical testing. The procedure to test this hypothesis would compare the track records of simple and comparatively complex explanations. The validity of Occam's razor as a tool would then have to be rejected if the more complex explanations were more often correct than the less complex ones.

 

[xbuzzerx]

What is it that you want Johann? A medal? Congratulations? To be crowned King of JUB for the month? Year?

Congratulations. Your powers of observation and sleuthy searches found that there is no one in the US named Andreus Thanos. You've also managed to wrongly find that Jasun lives in Denver and I am every female poster JUB has ever had. But, one out of of 3 ain't bad I suppose...

Honestly what is it you are looking for now? We got it. Andreus Thanos does not exist in the United States of America. For some he existed at JUB though. And that's all they needed.

Are you going to keep harping on the idea until every member posting in this thread acknowledges that you found out the big bad wolf blew the house down? What is it that will satisfy you?

You are trying to silence this discussion so hard and I don't know why.

If the appearance that Andreus Thanos as a forum identity was a fake compared to whoever was really behind the screen seriously disturbs people I don't know why they're still here reading.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Not trying to silence the discussion, curious as to why it is so hard to understand that regardless of the "undeniably accurate" information Johann provided to prove Andreus' nonexistence, some are still going to go by their own instincts and desire to believe someone named Andreus existed here.

If someone prefers to believe regardless of what evidence is or isn't available I don't see how Johann pointing out that evidence changes anything or hurts anyone.

You lashed out at him rather irrationally imho, accusing him of trying to win some kind of prize for pointing out what facts are available after MANY OTHER PEOPLE (not Johann) opened the question of Andreus's story's legitimacy.

I agree with him that people are lying to themselves; if that's what they want to do, that is perfectly fine, but coming here and making aspersions at Johann for doing a little research is irrational.

 

[pat grimshaw]

(I'd love to tally up the numbers of those who believe in Andreus Thanos and those who don't.
And then I'd like to see which of those are of Catholic heritage and which are not.)

 

[rareboy]

Not trying to silence the discussion, curious as to why it is so hard to understand that regardless of the "undeniably accurate" information Johann provided to prove Andreus' nonexistence, some are still going to go by their own instincts and desire to believe someone named Andreus existed here.

People believe all kinds of strange shit.

Did you know that Andreus Thanos also spells...

Santa's North....nude?

 

[LaughOutLoud]

Thinking outside the box here, so please feel free to disprove anything I say in this post (without reading the entire thread again, I can't remember all the details)....

Ok, so what if Andreus was real. What if Andreus was simply an online name he used (something we all do - my real name isn't LaughOutLoud).

So, name to one side - maybe everything he said was true (working in the emergency services, serving in the military etc).

Maybe BP did know him outside of JUB, but knowing Andreus was a name he was known as to everyone here, he used that.

For example, imagine JohannBessier's real name was Steven Smith. Imagine I knew Steven Smith outside of JUB....if he died, I wouldn't come on and announce Steven Smith had died, I'd come on and tell you all that JohannBessier had died.

Similarly, if in a few years time there was a discussion about JohannBessier, I wouldn't come into the thread and defend Steven Smith, I'd defend JohannBessier. Steven Smith didn't want anyone here to know his real name, why would I go against his wishes after he had died?

If all that is possible, does it not just leave us with one thing unexplained? The fact that someone logged into Andreus' account last week..... Is that really enough to say that he didn't exist? Maybe someone just knew his password......??


Just putting that out there. Like I said, feel free to disprove me, I can't remember every last detail I read in the thread.....

 

[eastofeden]

(I'd love to tally up the numbers of those who believe in Andreus Thanos and those who don't.
And then I'd like to see which of those are of Catholic heritage and which are not.)

Does the Divine Miss M really exist?

 

[pat grimshaw]

^

But she was Jewish.

 

[rareboy]

Does the Divine Miss M really exist?

Your call.

There are those that apparently think that She is actually holding Andreus.