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Tennessee Antievolution Bill

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Why, oh why, is evolution still a topic of controversy fueled by such insane ignorance that we must continue to time and time again entertain the ramblings of creationist lunatics whom the people have so stupidly given power to?

Notice how conniving and malicious the verbiage of the bill is, such that it seems so apt to adhere to the principles of good science: allow the teaching of strengths and weaknesses, critically analyze, provide information and resources for alternative theories...it's utterly sickening.

Should we be critical of science? Absolutely! Should we investigate the claims of theories such as evolution and verify or refute those claims based upon collected evidence. Damn straight we should! Is the elementary, middle, and high school the place for this? Absolutely NOT! There are conflicting ideas about the specifics of all scientific study, from gravity to quantum theory to evolution, etc. The place to attempt to establish the validity of those ideas is not a high school classroom where children are just beginning to learn the very basics of the subject. Science is working diligently to gain a more accurate understanding of the subjects under study, but this is done by doctors and biologists and physicists through investigation, experimentation, data collection, independent verification, and peer review; it is not done by high school teachers, not by high school students, and certainly not by legislators who don't even seem to have the education they are attempting to sabotage.

I always find it funny when someone talks about the teaching the "strengths and weaknesses" of science for two reasons. One, it always seems to be about evolution. No one ever advocates a "strengths and weaknesses" curriculum for gravity, or chemistry, or atomic theory, despite evolution being much more substantiated than any of those. As far as requiring investigation of "weaknesses", the subject of evolution is near the very bottom of the list. The second thing I find funny is that when you take one of the advocates of "strengths and weaknesses" and ask them what weaknesses they would teach about evolution, they'll give a very long list of things that may seem to them like good arguments but, to anyone who actually understands the subject, really just demonstrates how little they know about the subject of evolution. Then, to really show how little they know about evolution, ask them what strengths about the subject they would teach.

The very basics of the theory of evolution are actually very very simple to understand. A basic understanding is readily available to any who wants to know, and anyone who does know is able to look at what antievolutionists are against and can easily see that the idea of evolution they are opposed to is so far removed from what evolution actually is. It becomes a wonder why these kinds of bills are ever entertained. They are fighting against an idea of evolution that doesn't actually exist. Unfortunately, a history of religiously motivated antievolution has deceived most with an entirely false idea of evolution, motivating them to attack and try to deter the true theory from being taught to others, despite not having any real idea of what they are actually fighting against.
 
What has anything that comes out of Tennessee to do with rational understanding of the world around us?

Traditional Christianity views Evolutionary Theory as compatible with Christian beliefs.

I quote:

The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...volution-is-compatible-with-Christianity.html
 
Good lord.

The cousin fuckers in Tennessee are a perfect example of evolution in reverse.
 
Sigh. Evidence of yet another stupid Republican government action. There is simply no end in sight to this. Republicans have elected enough morons for there to be at least one stupid Republican proposal a week, with plenty in reserve.
 
The John Scopes ("Monkey") Trial of Dayton, Tennessee was decided in 1925. Scopes was found guilty of teaching evolution. Nothing has changed. Be proud, America!
 
Gotta love Republicans "smaller, less intrusive, getting government off people's backs" means;

*Enforcing every conception to be carried to full term regardless of cost (until that child is actually born, then fuck 'em, they don't get a dime)

*Intruding on school districts to force religious bullshit to be crammed down every child's throat

*Snooping thru any of your reading / library materials

*Placing activist judges on the bench to curtail equality and freedoms

*Using any resource possible to make sure a male doesn't put his dick anywhere in another male; consenting or otherwise. Unless of course that male is a married, white, Republican, then they are simply "framed".

*Using every government resource to transfer wealth at gunpoint (IRS) from citizens and main street to Wall Street and global corporations.
 
These Republican right wingers are proof that evolution doesn't exist for some. Just listen to them. They're not evolved.
 
I always find it funny when someone talks about the teaching the "strengths and weaknesses" of science for two reasons. One, it always seems to be about evolution. No one ever advocates a "strengths and weaknesses" curriculum for gravity, or chemistry, or atomic theory, despite evolution being much more substantiated than any of those. As far as requiring investigation of "weaknesses", the subject of evolution is near the very bottom of the list.

That's funny because particle physics is still very much in flux and the strengths and weaknesses of the standard model should be tought. Why just the other day signs of new particles or particles acting in new ways was picked up at the Tevatron.
 
What has anything that comes out of Tennessee to do with rational understanding of the world around us?

Traditional Christianity views Evolutionary Theory as compatible with Christian beliefs.

I quote:

The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.

unquote

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...volution-is-compatible-with-Christianity.html

By the recency of that "admission" one might better say that "modern christianity" views evolutionary theory as compatible with christian beliefs. Traditional christianity was rather dead-set against it, until the denials just became too embarrassing and too evidently delusional for even the shameless church to soldier on. What else will the pope deign to measure against his dogma?

Oh, and by the way, it is the christian opinion on creation that has to fit the facts, not, happily for science, the other way around.
 
I will merely point out that those who don't want Darwinian classrooms are extremely Darwinian when it comes to society.

brilliant. 100% agree.

but honestly, I wish all of America would get on the same page. there is not one single properly-educated scientist that does not believe in evolution. come on.
 
By the recency of that "admission" one might better say that "modern christianity" views evolutionary theory as compatible with christian beliefs. Traditional christianity was rather dead-set against it, until the denials just became too embarrassing and too evidently delusional for even the shameless church to soldier on. What else will the pope deign to measure against his dogma?

Oh, and by the way, it is the christian opinion on creation that has to fit the facts, not, happily for science, the other way around.

Historical note: there has always been a strain of the Anglican church that had no difficulty with evolution, right from the start, or with the apparent clockwork that seemingly did away with the need for an unseen Mover. This was one complaint of some of the Noncomformists against the Established Church.
 
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