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Testing for Aids

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Quick questions:

How long does one need to wait [if at all] after having sex, to be tested for aids?

i.e. If I have sex tonight, can I be tested for aids tomorrow, or does the virus need time to grow to a detectable level?

Also, Is one initial test enough to be certain one is clean of Aids? Could aids lie dormant in ones body for a period of time & then activate?
 
tests detect the HI Virus usually about 3 months after you got infected.
so if you have been unsafe - wait 3 months and be absolutely safe in the meantime - then do a test.
 
Can a man carry HIV & not EVER get sick form it YET pass it on to another through unprotected intercourse?

I'm absolutely SDT free. I have never had sex with a man till last night.
[Its been years since I had my last sex with woman.]

The man I had sex with Ive Known for many years. He always been healthy, BUT hes always had LTR with others. I talked at length with this man about STD's & he assured me he was clean. I have no reason to doubt him, but I'm concerned due to what happened during our sexual activities. The condom he used while topping me slipped off. We eventually got it out, my man didn't seem concerned, but I sure am!
 
Can a man carry HIV & not EVER get sick form it YET pass it on to another through unprotected intercourse?
yes people can carry HIV for 10-20 years or even more without showing any "signs"

I talked at length with this man about STD's & he assured me he was clean.
never, ever trust that. many people don't even know for sure that they are clean because they never got tested.


I have no reason to doubt him, but I'm concerned due to what happened during our sexual activities. The condom he used while topping me slipped off. We eventually got it out, my man didn't seem concerned, but I sure am!

don't panic - even if he is hiv+ the risk is not that high that this was enough to get infected, however there still is a small risk. you will know for sure after getting tested.
 
tests detect the HI Virus usually about 3 months after you got infected.
so if you have been unsafe - wait 3 months and be absolutely safe in the meantime - then do a test.

The tests that Corny is referring to are the commonly used tests, which test for HIV antibodies. If the first test gives a negative result, be sure to follow that up with a second test 3 months later. The Center for Disease Control reports that the incubation period, although rare, can take upto 6 months.

There is also a RNA test that tests for the virus, rather than the antibodies. The main differences are cost of the tests (this one being more expensive) and the length before the test is effective (the RNA is effective in 9 to 11 days).

If you are unsure, which it sounds like you are, stop by a testing center. You can check in advance to see if the results are anonymous or not, in case you are concerned about that.
 
How much are these RNA tests and where would you be able to get one? I had a similar experience very recently and I'm really kinda scared.
What is the transmission rate if the guy comes inside you?
 
After a quick Google search, I found the price to be about $190 to $250 depending on the manufacturer. The information from the web looks like you can request that your physican administer the RNA HIV-1 test.

If you were concerned about confidential/anonymous testing, it looks like the antibody test is the way to go. KnowAIDS.org has a list of testing centers in the United States. A lot of these testing centers offer free testing, using an antibody test.

As far as transmission rates, I am not sure. I hope someone with a little more insight might be able to chime in here.
 
Thanks justjoshoh and Adidasluvr, those numbers are oddly comforting but Im not going to chance anything. I'm gonna probably see where I can get one of the RNA tests done.
 
In answer to ur question

if u had become infected now it would take about two to four weeks for ur test to become positive - the test we use is merely testing for antibodies to the virus so until u deveope the antibodies u cant get a postive test result.During this time the virus replicates and your body starts to develope the antibodies to the infection and dampen down the original mass viral replication. The mass replication of the virus (to what is normally one of its highest levels during the infection) and the bodies immune response gives u that flu like illness we call conversion symdrome. YES u are infectious at this time especially as the viral load(count) is so high. As the immune responce developes the viral load falls dramatically. This period of time that it takes the body to develope antibodies is called the window period - THAT is why it MAY be important to retest a few weeks later - when the body has deveoped the antibodies tot he virus (this will obviously depend on when the exposure occured).

My stats are somewhat different from my friend adidas (go figure) as i work from south african / canadian and cdc results but the trend is the same.

minimal risk from blood transfusion
risk for anal sex is highest for the receptive partner
risk for anal sex is higher than for vaginal
any risk of transmission is higher when there is an associated sexually transmitted disease (especially if it is an ulcerative disease)
* as a brief aside SYPHALIS IS BACK to all my canadian friends take note *
my results for oral sex for HIV spread are different than adidas as it suggests that UNLESS there is an associated oral lesion the risk is negligable - this is not true however for other stds though(syphalis as mentioned b4 take note)

the real question is y take the risk - CONDOM yes yes yes
the agruement about longterm stable relationships is a good one and the concept of being tested for everything (and coming back negative for both partners) before doing it bare is a fact of life. If one of the partners is positive for HIV it poses a challenge and this has brought about the concept of PRE exposure prophilaxis and some newer studies lookin at the risk of transmission when the viral load in the postive individual is undetectable. The results should be interesting

hope that answers some questions
 
the results i have from southern african hiv clinician society suggest a 1 in 50 000
with the ones from vancouver being inbetween urs and mine - MUST FIND A METANALYSIS QUICK
 
i just went and got tested the other day. i was told that while it could show up now if i have it, there is a 6month window period. so, if in 6 months you are tested (and don't have sex until then) and the test comes back negative, you can be sure you dont have it.
 
Unfortunately, we are still somewhat technology limited. It'd be nice if we could routinely peek into the blood smear and actually see the HIV, but it doesn't work that way.

Most of the screening tests are so-called ELISA (Enzyme-Linked Immunosorbent Assay). It's a test where-in the test substance (little wells for blood, some commercial things sort of resembling a pregnancy test) are coated with proteins from HIV (these are called antigens). You then put the subject's blood (serum, plasma) onto the test substance.

If the subject has HIV, then as part of the immune response, the body makes antibodies to many of the HIV proteins (including the antigens coating the well). So in an infected individual, the test substance is now coated with the test subject's antibodies to HIV.

As part two of the test, the test substance is washed with a solution of lab created antibodies. These antibodies are created to do two things: attach to ANY human antibody on the test substance (ie, our proposed test subject HIV specific antibodies now stuck to the test substance) and carry a special enzyme marker. The enzyme marker serves an indicator purpose (typically it makes a color spot, blue or black or whatever it is designed for) and will light up the test substance and basically say "POSITIVE" when present.


The ELISA test is the standard screening test. It is powerful, cheap, and right about 99.9% of the time. But it isn't perfect and can be confounded in a couple of ways.
The first is simply a function of the immune response. If you have an infection, you attack it in a host of ways. You send in spy cells that break down the infection particles (bacteria and viruses both) and then send those to other cells that use them to make antibodies. In many infections, this production of antibodies is quite helpful in helping to control or eradicate the infection (we use this property for Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio, Smallpox, Diptheria, Tetanus, etc). It takes time to build this response however, and typically 3 weeks is the absolute minimum (that is seen in very aggressive bugs, like Measles and the like). HIV is indolent (slower in progression) and so is the immune reponse, so up to 6 months is considered a reasonable window for seroconversion (appearance of sufficient antibodies to be detectable).​

So if you get tested in the window before you have mounted a sufficient antibody response, the test will be falsely negative.​


The second way it is possible to confound the test is the presence of what is called cross-reactivity. The human machine is a dynamo, and one we don't understand 100%. Occasionally, you will make an antibody that for some reason closely enough resembles one of those HIV specific antibodies that it will bind there. The ELISA then shows up positive (and it is really negative). That is why, in cases of ELISA, in the USA at least, laboratories are required to do the confirmatory test to PROVE that the patient has floating HIV RNA running around. That test takes longer and is more expensive, but was found necessary in the late 80's/early 90's after the first several rounds of suicides over false positive tests.​
The other tests for positivity (HIV viral load) (HIV RNA) are longer, more expensive and are used typically to confirm that ELISA is right, or to monitor response to therapy (ie a viral load that is undetectable is optimal).

And before you wonder: I am in the field, and my undergrad major focused heavily in cellular biology (nerd!). The HIV model is an ongoing project that was often used to discuss host-immune response.

My God that was long-winded. :eek: if anyone made it this far.
 
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