On-Topic Tex Gov. Perry Indicted on Felony Counts

[Kulindahr]

He's not being accused of exercising a line item veto genius. He's being accused of coercion of a a public official - the official by the way in charge of the office that oversees corruption prosecutions for ALL OF THE POLITICIANS IN THE STATE!

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. He THREATENED to kill the budget of the anti-corruption office UNLESS she resigned. THERE WAS NO VETO AT ALL UNTIL SHE REFUSED! He hates that office anyway, he hates her, win win for him, except oops, that whole illegal thing.

What's criminal is his attempt to oust a political enemy through the use of his official capacity as governor.

HE DID NOT USE A VETO AND THEN GET INTO TROUBLE!

Perhaps you should remove your head from locations south before you post.

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Yelling at Ben is so cathartic.

But if it's in the constitution, he can do anything he wants with it!

 

[TX-Beau]

What's really funny is that he seems to be saying that the Texas constitution gives the governor some kind of demigod-like, unquestionable power to veto as he pleases.

When in fact Texas Constitutions explicitly LIMIT the power of the Governor's office.

 

[Benvolio]

What's really funny is that he seems to be saying that the Texas constitution gives the governor some kind of demigod-like, unquestionable power to veto as he pleases.

When in fact Texas Constitutions explicitly LIMIT the power of the Governor's office.

What limits in the governors right to veto? It certainly does not authorize the legislature or a prosecutor or the democrats to create new limits on the power of veto.

 

[hotatlboi]

What's criminal is his attempt to oust a political enemy through the use of his official capacity as governor.

No, that's not criminal, again that is just politics. Just about every governor has done something like this. It rarely ever makes the news.

You get to hire and fire a LOT of people as the governor.

 

[TX-Beau]

No that is actually illegal.

Cite examples of other governors telling the DA that they are going to cut funding of the anti corruption unit (or analogous) unless she/he retires so the Gov can appoint the replacement.

 

[TX-Beau]

There would be no indictment if there was no broken law. There is no way that the DA would go this far in Texas without bulletproofing the indictment.

Whether there will be an actual trial, and whether a Jury will actually convict are other questions.

 

[hotatlboi]

No that is actually illegal.

No, it's not.

Cite examples of other governors telling the DA that they are going to cut funding of the anti corruption unit (or analogous) unless she/he retires so the Gov can appoint the replacement.

I don't necessarily mean that specific case, I mean the gov threatening to veto something or cut off funding unless he gets his way (which can involve personnel or policy). Goes on at the federal level too (like cutting off the highway funding unless states enforced the federal drinking age).

 

[hotatlboi]

There would be no indictment if there was no broken law.

This comment really shows that you are not too well informed in this area. There are bullshit indictments all the time.

Your statement also flies in the face of one if the foundational elements of our system of justice, that people are innocent until proven guilty. By your logic, no one would ever be found innocent in a court of law since their guilt had already been assured when they were indicted.

 

[TX-Beau]

...You get to hire and fire a LOT of people as the governor.

Forgot. The DA of Travis county is not under the jurisdiction of the Governor's office, it's an elected position.
Perry CAN'T fire her (If he could, she wouldn't have lasted a week, let alone damn near what, six years). He also can't get a Republican elected to that position, which oversees investigations of official misconduct. He CAN (IIRC) appoint an interim D.A. IF she resigns.

 

[TX-Beau]

This comment really shows that you are not too well informed in this area. There are bullshit indictments all the time.

Your statement also flies in the face of one if the foundational elements of our system of justice, that people are innocent until proven guilty. By your logic, no one would ever be found innocent in a court of law since their guilt had already been assured when they were indicted.

Not a bullshit indictment from a Democratic DA, aimed at the sitting Republican Governor of the State of Texas. That pretty much shows you are not very well informed of what goes on in Austin.

The rest of that is some bullshit I have no idea what you're referencing. People are presumed guilty back here in real life all the damn time, and there is no way the DA of Travis county would go after Perry unless she was pretty damn confident about it.

 

[TX-Beau]

No, it's not.


I don't necessarily mean that specific case, I mean the gov threatening to veto something or cut off funding unless he gets his way (which can involve personnel or policy). Goes on at the federal level too (like cutting off the highway funding unless states enforced the federal drinking age).

Well if you don't mean the "specific" case, it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Show me examples of Governors threatening funding if they don't get their staffing choice in ELECTED positions. It happens all the time, right?

 

[TX-Beau]

Think if it this way, if a sitting Republican Governor told the State Legislature that he would veto budget measures unless all Democrats retired, would you consider that an abuse of power, or business as usual?

 

[Benvolio]

Think if it this way, if a sitting Republican Governor told the State Legislature that he would veto budget measures unless all Democrats retired, would you consider that an abuse of power, or business as usual?

What it is not is a crime. The legislature cannot turn a constitutional power into a crime.

 

[rareboy]

Well I guess we'll all have to wait and see what is or isn't a crime or misdemeanour....but none of that is really the point of all of this.

The point is that Perry's nasty little vendetta has become national news and has soiled him in the eyes of the potential 2016 voters. Let him finish serving out his disastrous term as governor. But when that is over...so is his political career. His GOP opponents in the run-up to the nomination won't hesitate to smear him with this. Benvolio is all fussed about the Democrats. But this really played into the hands of the rest of the clown car posse that will be chasing PAC money over the next two years.

 

[Benvolio]

Well I guess we'll all have to wait and see what is or isn't a crime or misdemeanour....but none of that is really the point of all of this.

The point is that Perry's nasty little vendetta has become national news and has soiled him in the eyes of the potential 2016 voters. Let him finish serving out his disastrous term as governor. But when that is over...so is his political career. His GOP opponents in the run-up to the nomination won't hesitate to smear him with this. Benvolio is all fussed about the Democrats. But this really played into the hands of the rest of the clown car posse that will be chasing PAC money over the next two years.

The whole purpose of the indictment by the democrats was to smear him. Most voters will see it a just dirty politics.

 

[rareboy]

And who cares? As long as it keeps one more of these batshit crazies out of the GOP running of the bullshitters, maybe there's more of a chance that a sane person will get the nomination.

And you're wrong. Democrats would have killed to see Perry get the nomination for 2016. It would just sew everything up for Hillary that much easier.

 

[chrisrobin]

And who cares? As long as it keeps one more of these batshit crazies out of the GOP running of the bullshitters, maybe there's more of a chance that a sane person will get the nomination.

And you're wrong. Democrats would have killed to see Perry get the nomination for 2016. It would just sew everything up for Hillary that much easier.

Perry's got about 5% in New Hampshire.

 

[chrisrobin]

The whole purpose of the indictment by the democrats was to smear him. Most voters will see it a just dirty politics.

Grand juries are by design, nonpartisan.

 

[Benvolio]

Grand juries are by design, nonpartisan.

They do what the prosecutor tells them to do, and rely on her representation of the law and her choice of evidence to present and not to present. You cannot honestly believe this is not a democrat scheme.

 

[TX-Beau]

The whole purpose of the indictment by the democrats was to smear him. Most voters will see it a just dirty politics.

You mean all those voters who had no intention of voting PERRY FOR PRESIDENT? Or the voters who were planning on voting for Perry for Governor in the race he's not running?

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They do what the prosecutor tells them to do, and rely on her representation of the law and her choice of evidence to present and not to present. You cannot honestly believe this is not a democrat scheme.

Riiiiigggghhhhhtttttt.