Texas Church Shooting

[ballcaphair]

Mental illness and terrorism take a back seat when we get an armed, drunk, angry and in-pain client in ER. It's sickening and terrifying. Calling the sheriff usually doen't simplify things.

 

[zoltanspawn]

I wasn't speaking for 'everybody. There are a great number here who are for regulations or restrictions, not banning. Those are the 'we' I am speaking of. I thought that was clear.

Not really, so thanks for clarifying.

 

[purina]

^Now we know what to look for come Black Friday.

 

[rareboy]

 

[luckynumbah7]

Boy oh Boy. If she is, things are going to be pretty awkward at the next social.

Reminds me of Looney Tunes and the mother in law's medicine cabinet. Or really, anything else in the mother in law portion of the "house of tomorrow" episodes. It begs the question of why there are few father in law memes. I can only think of one, anyway.

 

[gsdx]

More guns, please.

After a mass shooting at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, left 26 people dead Sunday, state Attorney General Ken Paxton suggested that institutions have to decide either to allow firearms or to hire private security to defend against future carnage.

“In Texas, you have to actually post, if you’re a church, telling people not to carry guns — otherwise you could carry a gun,” Paxton said on “Fox & Friends” on Monday.

He continued: “I think we need to look at that, because I think we need to have churches, schools, businesses start thinking about their policies — because obviously we can’t have first responders at every location — and so they need to think about whether they want private security or whether they want to make sure that some of their own people are armed to prevent this from happening again.”

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/texas-g-c...g-churchgoers-private-security-172517373.html

 

[rareboy]

Once again...we'll leave this right here apropos of mass shooters and Ammosexualism.

 

[Telstra]

^
I'm surprised Canada is so low as you can easily cross the border and avoid check points.
That shows strict gun laws are effective in preventing mass killings.

 

[zoltanspawn]

....what do you suppose the national guards are?

You and I might think the national guard is sufficient as a definition of a militia, but I doubt it's so for everyone.

 

[Stardreamer]

Boy oh Boy. If she is, things are going to be pretty awkward at the next social.

So it is confirmed his In-laws attended that congregation and were the likely targets but they were not there but the Grandmother was and she is among the dead.

Of course, the far right is doing their best to find a way to blame it on liberals up to and including doing a photoshop on the killer's Facebook page to claim he is a member of Antifa and that he was curious about atheism to make him out as radical anti-Christian. The seem to be ignoring the part about him being a Sunday school teacher.

 

[luckynumbah7]

You and I might think the national guard is sufficient as a definition of a militia, but I doubt it's so for everyone.

Then some people should probably take a dictionary and a few encyclopedias out for a long browse, as the militias people 'wonder aloud' about already exist. No well regulated militia lets someone have a weapon wherever and whenever they want; it's asinine. "I want another militia which I assume will be so loosely jointed so's as to avoid all oversight whatsoever, particularly in the ownership, storage and use of weaponry" was never on the table. I don't generally change definitions just because someone else believes the concept doesn't currently exist on the ground.

Definition of militia

1 a :a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency The militia was called to quell the riot.
b :a body of citizens organized for military service

 

[luckynumbah7]

So it is confirmed his In-laws attended that congregation and were the likely targets but they were not there but the Grandmother was and she is among the dead.

Of course, the far right is doing their best to find a way to blame it on liberals up to and including doing a photoshop on the killer's Facebook page to claim he is a member of Antifa and that he was curious about atheism to make him out as radical anti-Christian. The seem to be ignoring the part about him being a Sunday school teacher.

The far right should be used to seeing their visage in the reflection of newsprint by now. Everyone else is. I think The New York Post also said he was arrested previously and served time for domestic violence of the spousal variety. Tell someone that they're owed everything from their situational positions in life and you get them actually believing it. And when there's failure, the blame is for everyone but themselves.

....I wonder if he blames his mother in law for his failed relationship.

 

[johaninsc]

back on the net after a few days...old computer died

 

[johaninsc]

 

[smokeshadow]

Unfortunately, it appears that the Air Force dropped the ball on this one:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...as_church_shooter_s_domestic_violence_history

 

[Telstra]

Unfortunately, it appears that the Air Force dropped the ball on this one:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...as_church_shooter_s_domestic_violence_history

people died as a result.
Heads should roll for who ever are responsible for not entering the criminal data base ....

 

[Kulindahr]

That is the main problem in most of the states their Jesus fixation!!

Funny, given the number of people with a "Jesus fixation" I see marching in PRIDE every year.

And that the civil rights movement was driven by people with a "Jesus fixation".

 

[Kulindahr]

But it has been proved time and time again in other countries around the world that fewer guns mean less violence.

Some other countries, yes. But when you compare the U.S. to countries that have pioneers in their foundation, the gap fades.

The big problem in the U.S. is that we have turned everything into antagonistic relationships -- labor v business, for example -- where others have learned to make things cooperative.

We're not suggesting that the 'right to bear arms' should go away. We are suggesting that weapons which can kill a great number of innocent people in a very short period of time should go away. As it is, mass murder is a constitutional right. THAT has been proved time and time and time and time again.

You just said "We're not suggesting that the 'right to bear arms' should go away. We are suggesting that" the right to keep and bear arms go away. Why? Because the phrase "to keep and bear arms" means to have the common weapons of the individual soldier.

And no, mass murder is not a "constitutional right", any more than poisoning your kids and burying them in the back yard or selling toys with lead paint.

 

[Kulindahr]

Except that's extremely false. It's not likely that Congress is going to pass anything the NRA would like, and Trump certainly isn't doing anything more for the kee-and-bear-arms community than for the gay community.

 

[Kulindahr]

More guns, please.



https://ca.news.yahoo.com/texas-g-c...g-churchgoers-private-security-172517373.html

There are churches in the nation where deacons or elders or ushers and/or a hidden security team are armed. THe survivors in this instance are almost certainly wishing that had been the case at theirs.

As it was, it took a non-member neighbor and his AR-15 to stop the shooter -- fourteen minutes before the fastest possible police response time.