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That "G" word... ugh!

Hey man,

I've never personally felt bad about being different or open minded. Society is in an enlightenment age and people all over the world are being themselves more than ever, and expressing themselves completely. You need to see things for what they are and understand that as long as you are honestly expressing yourself, there is no need for societys barriers to get away. After all, pidgeonholes and preconceived ideas and notions are all false and just keep people under control. The truth is outside of all set patterns.

I recommend you read the following books: Awareness by Anthony De Mello and Bruce Lee: Artist of Life by John Little

Much love,
David
 
hi Mc7777,

Thanks for your nice and friendly reply and please excuse me for some delay in sending you this answer. I have read and re-read your posting, and I tend to conclude that you are a guy with a strong personality and also a guy who is very well capable to make his own decisions.

So you are indeed some sort of independent guy, who does not bother at all what other people think about him. So you know what you want, and what you don't want, and you keep on that track. Nothing wrong with that, and its a very good quality to be used in your current job. No need to tell more details, as I understand what you mean. Indeed, no need to provide the 'work-related contacts' with more details about your private life, but I tend to think that this is also the case for straight co-workers doing the same kind of work. The less your contacts know about you (and that's including kids and so on), the better. Am I right?

TX-Beau is is very capable to hit the nail right on the point, is very straightforward in his opinions, and his postings are as well very comprehensive. Besides that, TX-Beau also has a history of being born and raised in a reli-fundi christian family in the US. I have the strong opinion that both you and TX-Beau are guys with a strong personality, with very outspoken opionions and guys who don't bother what 'other people' think about them.

Yeah, and I think it is good to tell your straight friends that you will not pass the boundary. On the other hand, straight guys who are totally comfortable with their own sexual orientation will take it for granted that you also don't pass this border. You are living in a small community, so people will be aware about your behaviour. Bad news (eg of a straight guy with unwanted attention towards girls) will go around, and anyone will be aware of the reputation of that particular guy. And the same with you. You are a trusted guy, a good guy, and they will know you won't do unwanted things with them. Furthermore, your former experiences with opening youself to straight friends will enable you more and more how to cope with this situation. This is also the case with some of your straight friends who are handsome. Likely, they will be aware that they have a nice body, eg because they often get compliments from girls. And when you are relaxed about your own sexual orientation, and they are also relaxed about their sexual orientation, why not tell them, when it comes on the table, that they have a nice body? 'So alot of girls like that nice body of you, don't they'?

A lot of straight guys will take for granted that such boundaries exist, and have to be accepted. Just think about all those situations during work, when a straight male has to work close together with a handsome female co-worker. He will have to accept the same borders, and all serious guys will do that.

But, on the other hand, don't be too forced with contacts with your straight friends. You are that indepentent friend who knows what he wants (and without some sort of bad reputation), and being gay fits very well within this scheme. Just be aware that gay males come in all sizes and all shapes.

Based on what you told about this married friend of you, it seems likely that he is gay(?). Again you are right, don't push him to tell this to you, but offer your friendship to him. And be open to him, so he can also experience that guys like you are amongst the group of people who are gay. Don't bother too much with those homofobe family members, likely they won't change opinions, so wasted time to interact with them. However, what about building up a real good friendship with a closet case? Don't you think that this is somehow problematic? Not on the short while, but definately on the long run.

Anyway, I would like to wish you all the best.

Take care and feel free to react.
 
@Day3091

I agree with your position on people expressing themselves more than ever and think it is a great thing, as long as their actions are lawful, as they are more likely to win the hearts and minds of others. I am also a believer in seeing things for what they are. I read a lot of books in nature of such your recommendations (which I will definitely check out) and one in particular I read by Robert Greene, “The 50th Law,” has a principle of “See Things For What They Are: Intense Realism.” I couldn't agree more!!

I have to admit though I am paranoid to society’s reaction, but I am getting better at not caring. On one hand I am a bold determined person, but don’t quite have this figured out yet. I have plans of my own forms of self expression.

I study a lot of politics! I guess it is a hobby of mine as I do enjoy it. Ideas and notions truly do control and divide people. With constant issue building, dividing people on issues to conquer them, and interpersonal communication division, it is no wonder we have the people out there with their nonsense. With reading, studying, and learning you seem like you know how to navigate the nonsense.

Much love! –MC7777
 
@Ganoderma

No problem on the delay in reply. I also have to take my time to think about your insight so I can reply best. You also ask great piercing questions that I have to think about.

I guess you can say I am known for my strong personality. Family, friends, and coworkers assure of such. I however choose to be humble and not take it for granted. It has served me well and also hurt me before. I have a humbled background that once tragic, I have learned many lessons, but that have served me well.

You are correct on your assumptions of individuals having less knowledge when I have contact with them. It is the same for both straight and gay staff. I feel though the gay issue would really comprise me. So yes it is a hindering “environmental factor,” I have to consider and less of a internalized homophobia notion.

TX-Beau did offer some great insight and I am thankful, as I am for any feedback. I wasn’t aware of his religious affiliation. I am a tradition conservative, but I don’t let religion hinder me. I have conducted extensive research on the bible’s content regarding its condemning of homosexuality. I have determined that the 6 or so passages are dated and are counterproductive within honest living and one’s quest for truth. There are other passages that us as society condemn, such as executions for misdemeanor offenses, and the treatment of women.

I think my friends all understand and will honor the boundary arrangements. I have assured them I actually can’t wait for the opportunity to demonstrate the boundaries. They are all smart guys who are comfortable in their orientation (to be honest I wouldn’t associate with those who are neither.) I spoke with one today and brought this up. He said he doesn’t feel threatened or awkward at all. I have so far and will continue to assure that they are missing a key component for me to desire them. (For lack of a better phrase but frankly put) they have to like and want cock. I am trusted within my group of friends that I have creditability they all could trust me, if I were to tell them all. If they have a problem, well it was nice knowing them.

My married friend and you could call special someone is likely and suspected gay. I hate to say this as I think my opinion shouldn’t matter as you could accuse me of wanting him to be. But I have my reasons and evidence to suspect he is. However among the people we mutually know and associate with, they have strong speculation. He was often accused of it and I defended his name on occasions (me being his “straight friend,” you know!) I have had straight friend #1 defend his name to others as well to further take the heat off him. We were protecting our friend. I am not going to push the issue with him at all. I can remember a time I was a closet case and a guy I was with pushed the issue with me. I pushed him away. I want and always wanted a friendship with him. As I said, he is an amazing person. After coming out to him he said it was cool, wanted to remain friends, as I gave him the option for me to go away. I do like and will be open with him on this just in case it can show and help him along. I am not worried about his family members as I have taken them to task before and won. They thought my swearing and non church attendance was bad. I just ran circles around them in debate and held my ground. It is accepted now, but for fun, I now chose not to curse around them and talk about the importance of church. I find if you get them frustrated and winded, they back out of a verbal debate (yes I am guilty of using political debate tactics of agreeing with them on certain points but disagreeing on others, designed to confuse and frustrate them. Look up “triangulation.” Yes part of me enjoys it. It was great practice!)

But I think he and his family are at a new great progress point. They are really getting close. I hope they are realizing they just want their son to be happy. He is as independent and strong willed in aspects as I consider myself. Granted he still comes to me or discusses issues with me. I also witness the occasional stupid move or idea he does.

I agree with you on being friends with a closet case can be problematic. However I was a closet case just about two months ago. I felt to change the dynamic of this situation, I had to make the move to come out. For the short term I think it will be ok as I will be a friend and serve as a example. But in the long run I see problems. If a true closet case, and as I become more active, I can see him or I needing to distance ourselves. Or I could just get impatient and not willing to enable his closet case lifestyle. I can see us still having a limited friendship, but I am not willing to wait, should there be a possibility of a relationship. I am not willing to wait too much longer with no progress or assurance on his part of coming out- friend or lover. So I have that in mind with a “stop loss,” provision in place. Also who is to say in the meantime I just go be active and find someone..?? I have to think about what I need and want. This so called “slut phase,” is pulling hard on me.

Part of me wonders though if he is out and is active. Boy would I feel like the ass in all this! He lives far enough away and is independent. But knowing him like I do, I don’t think so. Then again my straight friend #2 thought I wasn’t gay and was surprised.

SORRY FOR THE LONG POST EVERYONE THAT READS THIS!!!
 
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