the belami twins

[moniker]

If it was only one of them who showed up at Bel Ami I don't think he would have made the cut (some other studio maybe). Bel Ami guys are better looking than that.

 

[biguy11188]

If it was only one of them who showed up at Bel Ami I don't think he would have made the cut (some other studio maybe). Bel Ami guys are better looking than that.

this is also another point. there are much hotter guys at Bel Ami that fuck like crazy, are more interesting in the videos, and aren't brothers. i just don't see why Bel Ami went this way

 

[statsguy]

If it was only one of them who showed up at Bel Ami I don't think he would have made the cut (some other studio maybe). Bel Ami guys are better looking than that.

Milo and Elijah are not at the top of the list of Bel Ami models sorted by customer "popularity" in Bel Ami.com. However, last time I looked at least one of them was in the top 30-40, which isn't bad when you consider all the Bel Ami models.

this is also another point. there are much hotter guys at bel ami, that fuck like crazy, are more interesting in the videos, and aren't brothers. i just don't see why bel ami went this way

Maybe the following, from an interview with George Duroy, helps explain:

T: Your use of real twin brothers (pictured) has also been controversial. How did you find them? Was this something they'd been doing together already? Do you have concerns about obscenity charges, especially in the U.S.?

GD: Controversy is the way to attract new customers. Nobody would write about you simply because you are a nice guy shooting good stuff. Michael Lucas could tell you something about this. It took me some time to digest this lesson. So I suspect obscenity charges would be good for sales. In the end, it was not Bel Ami who produced this film—I wonder who would be charged? It was shot in a country where it is perfectly legal...and as far as I know, it is legal in the U.S., too.

Bel Ami is not the first who shot twins, but I admit that the Peters Brothers don't leave anything to the imagination. They do it with rare energy. They were bugging me half a year that they wanted to shoot it, and believe me I was not in a hurry to agree. Legal counseling cost us more than both their salaries combined.

Are they doing it together in private? I've never been in their bedroom, but they stated that if one of them dies the other one would commit suicide—and I don't think they were joking.

The entire interview can be found here http://www.towleroad.com/2010/07/an-interview-with-bel-amis-george-duroy.html It is an interesting read.

 

[EJMichaels]

Maybe the following, from an interview with George Duroy, helps explain:. . .

The entire interview can be found here http://www.towleroad.com/2010/07/an-interview-with-bel-amis-george-duroy.html It is an interesting read.

I found the interview interesting. This part, for example:

GD: "Gay" porn was never dominated by gay models, and in the case of Bel Ami, not even half of the employees are gay.. . .most of the models working for Corbin Fisher or Sean Cody are straight as well. I know some gay models in the U.S. who claimed to be straight to get a job with some of the American Studios.​

As for the twins, I'm not commenting on the quality of those men, but I think the idea of twins is very hot and no more of an issue than any other two consenting adults.

 

[cockbrain]

I found the interview interesting. This part, for example:

GD: "Gay" porn was never dominated by gay models, and in the case of Bel Ami, not even half of the employees are gay.. . .most of the models working for Corbin Fisher or Sean Cody are straight as well. I know some gay models in the U.S. who claimed to be straight to get a job with some of the American Studios.​

As for the twins, I'm not commenting on the quality of those men, but I think the idea of twins is very hot and no more of an issue than any other two consenting adults.

Considering that there is no clear definition of Gay, I suppose that it is easy to declare oneself straight. And perhaps Duroy's definition of gay is so very specific, like never having sex with women and only having sex with men, that he is able to say the models are straight. Bisexuality is not mentioned as being a possibility for the nature of the models' sexuality. People seem to scorn bisexuality: If he says he's bi, he's lying, e.g.

The definition that I prefer is simply: If you say that you're gay then you're gay, if you say that you're straight then you're straight. Actions don't matter. See the problem with definitions?

 

[statsguy]

And perhaps Duroy's definition of gay is so very specific, like never having sex with women and only having sex with men, that he is able to say the models are straight. Bisexuality is not mentioned as being a possibility for the nature of the models' sexuality. People seem to scorn bisexuality: If he says he's bi, he's lying, e.g.

The definition that I prefer is simply: If you say that you're gay then you're gay, if you say that you're straight then you're straight. Actions don't matter. See the problem with definitions?

In a much earlier interview when asked about his models, Duroy said:

"Bel Ami finds its models in Eastern Europe where I believe people are very sexual and where sex plays a major role in people's daily lives. Eastern Europeans don't share the American concepts of what is gay, what is heterosexual and what is bisexual. Although I have unfortunately found that models whose preferences are for other men are more difficult to work with, I don't hire models based on their orientation. It doesn't matter to me if he is homo-, hetero-, or bi-, only that he is sexual. All that having been said, it's true that almost all of Bel Ami's models live an outwardly heterosexual life-style; what they enjoy sexually is quite another matter, that much is obvious from viewing the videos."​

 

[EJMichaels]

In a much earlier interview when asked about his models, Duroy said:

"Bel Ami finds its models in Eastern Europe where I believe people are very sexual and where sex plays a major role in people's daily lives. Eastern Europeans don't share the American concepts of what is gay, what is heterosexual and what is bisexual. Although I have unfortunately found that models whose preferences are for other men are more difficult to work with, I don't hire models based on their orientation. It doesn't matter to me if he is homo-, hetero-, or bi-, only that he is sexual. All that having been said, it's true that almost all of Bel Ami's models live an outwardly heterosexual life-style; what they enjoy sexually is quite another matter, that much is obvious from viewing the videos."​

From his tone and other things he said, that's how I interpreted his definition of straight in the part I quoted - a lifestyle preference, not a strict label on their sexuality. (The [STRIKE]obsession [/STRIKE] concern about labels is a whole other topic). The idea of some gay men in the US pretending to be straight to get a job in gay porn is amusing, and sad, too.

 

[gayron]

Considering that there is no clear definition of Gay, I suppose that it is easy to declare oneself straight. And perhaps Duroy's definition of gay is so very specific, like never having sex with women and only having sex with men, that he is able to say the models are straight. Bisexuality is not mentioned as being a possibility for the nature of the models' sexuality. People seem to scorn bisexuality: If he says he's bi, he's lying, e.g.

The definition that I prefer is simply: If you say that you're gay then you're gay, if you say that you're straight then you're straight. Actions don't matter. See the problem with definitions?

There is a definition;
gay = attracted to your own gender
bi = attracted to both genders
straight = attracted to opposite gender.

This isnt rocketscience or brain surgery.

 

[CGHJ]

hot hot hot hot hot hot hot.

If they weren't twins fucking each other they wouldn't be my type at all, but the whole twin thing is HAWT AS FUCK, the end.

 

[cockbrain]

There is a definition;
gay = attracted to your own gender
bi = attracted to both genders
straight = attracted to opposite gender.

This isnt rocketscience or brain surgery.

What does attracted mean? So "straight" gay porn stars are NOT attracted to their own gender? And straight boys who have sex with another dude, they're attracted to their own gender so "straight" dude must be gay? OH, Bi so straight dude is bi. So, straights are people who are attracted to their opposite gender but never have sex with their own gender but are not attracted to their own gender but can fuck their own gender and are celibate and like to masturbate?

So bi boys are straight because they have sex with boys but are "attracted" to girls?

And gay boys who have sex with girls are gay because girls are yucky?

OK, Thanks for clearing that up. And like I'm so glad that you came along because like I was really confused. It's really easy now that you have STRAIGHTENED me out.

My new name will be VAGINABRAIN.

 

[gayron]

What does attracted mean? So "straight" gay porn stars are NOT attracted to their own gender?

If they are straight, then no.

And straight boys who have sex with another dude, they're attracted to their own gender so "straight" dude must be gay?

If they are only attracted to their own gender then, yes they would be gay.

So, straights are people who are attracted to their opposite gender but never have sex with their own gender but are not attracted to their own gender but can fuck their own gender and are celibate and like to masturbate?

Of course straights can have sex with their own gender, but why would they want to if they arent attracted to them?

So bi boys are straight because they have sex with boys but are "attracted" to girls?

No, bisexuells are attracted to both genders.

And gay boys who have sex with girls are gay because girls are yucky?

No, they are gay because they are attracted to their own gender, that is what homosexuell means. Why would they have sex with someone they dont are attracted to?

OK, Thanks for clearing that up. And like I'm so glad that you came along because like I was really confused. It's really easy now that you have STRAIGHTENED me out.

You still seem confused. Are you attracted to your own gender, opposite gender or both?

 

[cockbrain]

Sorry gayron, but it's not that easy to say straight, gay or bi and your simplistic definitions only serves to make it easier for those who want to put labels on people.

A dude that repeatly has sex with another dude must get some satisfaction from the sex for that sex to take place. By your definition then that dude is not straight even if he says he his. Do you see the problem with saying "attracted to" as a definition. What does ATTRACTED mean?

If you now argue that the dude I just mentioned who has sex repeatedly with guys is just doing it for the money well sorry he still has to get his dick hard and that takes some kind of attraction. What's that? You say he's thinking of women in his head. Sure, that works every time he's got a dick in his ass and a cock down his throat while he masturbates his hard on. Yep that dude is straight!!!!

He's straight every time he does it. Yep every time. For 5 years of making gay porn he's straight! He's not attracted to men.

And a gay dude who becomes involved with a woman and has a kid with her and marries her? Yep he's gay all right.

Yea, you've really cleared things up. Wow I wished I lived in your world.

Gay, str8, str8, str8, bi, str8, str8, str8, str8, str8, bi, str8, str8, str8, str8, gay, str8,.....

 

[gayron]

Sorry gayron, but it's not that easy to say straight, gay or bi and your simplistic definitions only serves to make it easier for those who want to put labels on people.

What does that even mean?

A dude that repeatly has sex with another dude must get some satisfaction from the sex for that sex to take place.

No, taht is merely a purely biological reaction. Women and men who are raped can a reaction, taht doesnt mean they wants it nor that they like it.

What does ATTRACTED mean?

Attracted.

If you now argue that the dude I just mentioned who has sex repeatedly with guys is just doing it for the money well sorry he still has to get his dick hard and that takes some kind of attraction. What's that? You say he's thinking of women in his head. Sure, that works every time he's got a dick in his ass and a cock down his throat while he masturbates his hard on. Yep that dude is straight!!!!

Yes, he can get turned on biological but if he is straight he dont get emotional turned on.

He's straight every time he does it. Yep every time. For 5 years of making gay porn he's straight! He's not attracted to men.

Yes, if he is straight. But have you considered that just because someone says they are straight doesnt mean that they are straight. I doubt everyone of gayforpay is straight.

And a gay dude who becomes involved with a woman and has a kid with her and marries her? Yep he's gay all right.

If he is afraid enough, sure. See many Republicans in the US.

Yea, you've really cleared things up. Wow I wished I lived in your world.

Good news, you are.

 

[cockbrain]

What does that even mean?



No, taht is merely a purely biological reaction. Women and men who are raped can a reaction, taht doesnt mean they wants it nor that they like it.



Attracted.




Yes, he can get turned on biological but if he is straight he dont get emotional turned on.



Yes, if he is straight. But have you considered that just because someone says they are straight doesnt mean that they are straight. I doubt everyone of gayforpay is straight.



If he is afraid enough, sure. See many Republicans in the US.



Good news, you are.

You just don't understand. Did you read that definition that you linked? If you had you would see the contradiction of your statements. Your answers are so illogical that I don't know where to begin to try to resolve the absurdness.

That is the problem with trying to discuss anything is that there are those who think opinion and facts are the same thing. When circularity isn't recognized, non-sequiturs prevail. The lack of reasoning by people is the basis for propaganda to take hold. Let's not think because we know.

 

[gayron]

That is the problem with trying to discuss anything is that there are those who think opinion and facts are the same thing.

Except you said:

Considering that there is no clear definition of Gay

You never said it was your opinion.

The lack of reasoning by people is the basis for propaganda to take hold.

Propaganda? What is propaganda and who is doing it?

Let's not think because we know.

ANd how do you think we come to that conclusion?

Let me ask you, do you consider yourself gay, bi or straight?
Based on both your defination and mine?

 

[Flexuality]

I'm a little scared to intrude in this dialogue, but I think you two may be disagreeing in part because you are treating gay/bi/straight as if they were real things in nature rather than culturally defined concepts that are built up on myths and assumptions. (In the same way, in the US, the concept of race is illogically manufactured but taken for granted by almost everyone and treated as something real.)

Sexual orientation categories could refer to 1) how a person identifies himself, 2) the behavior a person engages in, 3) the sexual desire he feels, 4) the romantic feelings he experiences, 5) the lifestyle he adapts, and even 6) ones sense of masculinity or femininity. One quick example of how these potential definitions don't line up with each other: half of men in the US who have had sex with men consider themselves "straight."

I discuss a lot of this in my Flexuality.Info blog, and I suggest a dozen different sexual identity terms which are no more real than the 3 we currently use, but at least they expand the options to capture real patterns a bit better.

In terms of straight actors who perform in gay porn, I use the term "versatile" to capture their ability (and/or desire) to perform sexually with someone for reasons other than sexual or romantic attraction. It's amazing how much incentive being admired and paid can have on one's sexual potential, especially in cultures which do not draw such rigid lines between gay and straight. These actors may prefer to have sex with women, but they can marshal or expand their desires in the direction of men if they gain something from it. This may be easiest for men from Latino countries who choose to perform only as tops in sexual films, because their culture already accepts such behavior in "straight" men as only natural (and I refer to this as the "macho" type).

Over time, straight actors in gay porn may broaden their orientation by learning to master and enjoy the experience, or they may view work and play as completely separate spheres.

Hope that helps clear the air a little.

 

[gayron]

I'm a little scared to intrude in this dialogue, but I think you two may be disagreeing in part because you are treating gay/bi/straight as if they were real things in nature rather than culturally defined concepts that are built up on myths and assumptions. (In the same way, in the US, the concept of race is illogically manufactured but taken for granted by almost everyone and treated as something real.)

It is real and not a cultural thing.

Sexual orientation categories could refer to 1) how a person identifies himself,

They could be deluding themselves.

2) the behavior a person engages in,

But that wouldnt make a person gay, the person is having same sex.

3) the sexual desire he feels,

Yes, straight, gay or bi.

4) the romantic feelings he experiences,

See above.

5) the lifestyle he adapts

Why would a straight person adopt a gay "lifestyle"?

6) ones sense of masculinity or femininity.

I am sorry but I dont understand you here. What do you mean?

One quick example of how these potential definitions don't line up with each other: half of men in the US who have had sex with men consider themselves "straight."

Why would you want to have sex with men if you arent gay, with the exception of payment?

 

[biguy11188]

what the fuck are you guys talking about? this has nothing to do with what the thread was. start a new one