The Bush Legacy

[Rolyo85]

You contradicted yourself in your post

It was ..... Telling

as for GWB he did a few good things - and this is one of them.

He helped keep America safe

america

What I do or say has NO relevance to this very simple question that you've now taken a full page of the thread to avoid. I am simply gonna assume intellectual dishonesty IS the reason BENGHAZI!!!!! is treated differently from the other attacks on embassies during Bush. Thank you for your participation.

 

[Just_Believe18]

The piece is about ONE thing JBAbout the response to 911 and instituting changesTo prevent anotherSo it's a specific case about that Your laundry list of other items is grand but not Germaine here Please respond to the authors points Thx

The premise of your topic is what legacy Bush leaves to this country. Not only did I address the War on Terror and what a failure it is under the leadership of Bush, but what his legacy will truly be remembered for. Your article did not prove any safety. If anything, we know that the Boston bombers acted specifically because they were angry about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Our conflicts in the Middle-East fuel and fester the pestilence that is religious fundamentalism in Islam. We have gained nothing in Afghanistan, nor Iraq. Have you had to bury a friend who came back in a coffin from Iraq? Today, I read that the Iraqi government has censored the Sunni media in its country for "provoking" sectarian violence. Iraq is once again falling apart, and we may yet see a fundamentalist government rise from its ashes far worse than Saddam Hussein.

A waste. A total waste of blood and treasury. That is the Bush legacy.

 

[Ninja108]

Indeed Just Believe..Saddam was a monster..but the person replacing him will be far far worse.

 

[lambdaboy]

What are you smoking Richard C Clarke a Republican said it best in his book. Attacking Iraq for 9/11 would be like attacking Mexico for Pearl Harbor. Bush should be in jail. He is responsible for the deat of more that 5,000 of our own service people and probably 100,000 Iraqis he killed more people that Sadam and desecrated the lives of those who died at WTC including my cousin a Fireman who dies when the South Tower fell!

 

[rareboy]

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I think you've proven that by the posts you've made in this thread. The premise and the follow-up are about as jejune and amatuerish as you could get. One further thought. If it is not possible for a Canadian with American interests to express an opinion on the American president and political landscape....then by the same logic, Americans have no right whatsoever to express any opinion or take any action with respect to any other world leader or government that may affect their own interests.

The fact remains that Bush and his cronies from Halliburton Co., in the wake of 911, used it as the pretext to unleash more havoc and to destroy more fundamental freedoms than you will admit. They have not kept America safe; instead, the target on the backs of Americans has just gotten bigger with all the bitterness and resentment nurtured by the butchery in Iraq. This is the legacy that they left America and the current regime.

You are angry with me because I have pointed out the cost in American (and a lot of other) lives post 9-11 in order to 'keep Americans safe'. To be honest, I find it offensive and troubling that you now can skip over the thousands who paid the ultimate price so that you can continue to live under this illusion of being safe.

 

[Jack Springer]

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Tell me why Obama is continuing with some the foreign policies of George Bush and why you aren't upset about it?

Obama finished the Bush process of the US getting out of Iraq.

Obama expanded 'the good war' in Afghanistan and created a Bush-type surge -- albeit very short.

Obama has expanded wire taps, reading of US citizen emails, the Patriot Act, and the drone program to an extreme point of killing US Citizens including a 16 yo American teenager.

 

[White Eagle]

its not "jingo-istic" - you just want it to be

bottom line is as a canadian, 911 is an event that just doesn't have the same significance to you as it does to me

just as I am not a Jew, the holocaust, isn't the same thing

that's not anything other than real - try it sometime instead of your bullshit

Rareboy has every right to being affected by 9/11. The Sept. 11 attacks killed 26 Canadians.
There have been 117 Canadian soldiers who have lost their lives while defending their country in Iraq since 2005.
Crises often tend to bring out the best in people. The response in Canada to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 - and the response of NAV CANADA employees in guiding aircraft to safety, then lending a helping hand to stranded passengers - is a case in point.
These skilled air traffic professionals guided 1500 aircraft to safe landings that day, including 238 diverted aircraft to Canadian airports across the country - most of which had been en route from Europe and heading for the United States.
So, there have been Canadians affected by 9/11. Not a huge loss as the US but a loss just the same. So your insult to rareboy is in a need of an apology.

 

[Benvolio]

What you guys have failed to consider in your attacks on Bush is that if the Taliban had continued to harbor Al Qaeda in safety in Afghanistan, and Saddam had continued in power in Iraq, the world--including Canada-- would be a far less safe place than it is today. After 9/11 the US was unified in believing that we should go after the bad guys where they are hiding, rather than allow them a safe harbor from which to attack us. Now the Democrats profess to believe that the US should have continued to allow repeated attacks to continue al la Clinton; Twin Towers bombing, two embassy bombings, USS Cole bombing. Most leaders, including members of Congress believed that Saddam had or was developing weapons of mass destruction. As the Iraq war started, there were reports of truck convoys going into Syria, and now, surprise, surprise, Syria has used chemical weapons against its own people.
Bush, like all Presidents, made a judgment decision, backed by Congress, and no one can say it was the wrong decision, for the simple reason that the alternative result might have been much worse. Obama has continued those policies even as his partisan supporters demonize Bush for them.

 

[rareboy]

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Tell me why Obama is continuing with some the foreign policies of George Bush and why you aren't upset about it?

Obama finished the Bush process of the US getting out of Iraq.

Obama expanded 'the good war' in Afghanistan and created a Bush-type surge -- albeit very short.

Obama has expanded wire taps, reading of US citizen emails, the Patriot Act, and the drone program to an extreme point of killing US Citizens including a 16 yo American teenager.

Who says that many of us outside the US aren't upset. This is the legacy of Bush. A paranoid, fearful, fortress America. Where the suspension of civil liberties is now endemic and so entrenched that the western world just accepts this as the new normal. As far as ObamaCo. having to mop up the mess that BushCo. left behind? Don't expect any gnashing of teeth from me over the wind-down of the US occupation of Iraq, the wind-up of the Afghanistan war or the use of drones to kill bad guys, including US citizens that you are all branding terrorists out of the other side of your mouths. It is a lot more surgical approach to killing off the enemies you've made than to carpet bomb jungles or cities. Remember shock and awe????????? Compared to that rapacious disaster, drones look pretty tidy, don't they?

The Bush legacy is that from fearing shampoo bottles on planes to suspension of habeas corpus, the US is now a bankrupted country under seige...a convenient target for every disaffected and opportunistic terrorist being 'run' by cynical people who know that the real money is in conflict and armaments and security and fear.

Of course we're upset about it.

But we also are so thankful that at least the Bush era is over and that there still may be a glimmer of hope on the horizon.

 

[Jack Springer]

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You didn't answer my question. Why aren't you upset with Obama continuing with the many of the foreign policies of GWB?

 

[rareboy]

Rareboy has every right to being affected by 9/11. The Sept. 11 attacks killed 26 Canadians.
There have been 117 Canadian soldiers who have lost their lives while defending their country in Iraq since 2005.
Crises often tend to bring out the best in people. The response in Canada to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 - and the response of NAV CANADA employees in guiding aircraft to safety, then lending a helping hand to stranded passengers - is a case in point.
These skilled air traffic professionals guided 1500 aircraft to safe landings that day, including 238 diverted aircraft to Canadian airports across the country - most of which had been en route from Europe and heading for the United States.
So, there have been Canadians affected by 9/11. Not a huge loss as the US but a loss just the same. So your insult to rareboy is in a need of an apology.

I appreciate the support, but my attitude to this has nothing to do with the number of Canadians who have died as a result of 9-11 (including a friend who was having breakfast at Windows on the World that day), or those who have died serving in the military doing their duty to their chosen calling.

The fact is that Bush legacy did not keep Americans, or anyone for that matter, 'safe' and my response is not about narrow interests of nationality or personal loss.

By the way Chance ...what victory is it for Bush for keeping Americans safe, when it came at the cost of as many as 50,000 - 65,000 innocent civilians in Iraq in addition to all the American lives that the Pentagon threw away in their quest to secure Iraq's oil? Is this what we all would call a Pyrrhic victory?

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You didn't answer my question. Why aren't you upset with Obama continuing with the many of the foreign policies of GWB?

You just aren't reading are you?

 

[chance1]

I appreciate the support, but my attitude to this has nothing to do with the number of Canadians who have died as a result of 9-11 (including a friend who was having breakfast at Windows on the World that day), or those who have died serving in the military doing their duty to their chosen calling.

The fact is that Bush legacy did not keep Americans, or anyone for that matter, 'safe' and my response is not about narrow interests of nationality or personal loss.

By the way Chance ...what victory is it for Bush for keeping Americans safe, when it came at the cost of as many as 50,000 - 65,000 innocent civilians in Iraq in addition to all the American lives that the Pentagon threw away in their quest to secure Iraq's oil? Is this what we all would call a Pyrrhic victory?

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You just aren't reading are you?

Iraq was a bipartisan war effort - with the majority of the Obama administration on board - blaming Bush solely for the intelligence failure is convenient for u and the partisan drones but it's dishonest and incorrect

the article is about keeping america safe - post 911 - what he did to try to make things better - the things that obama has embraced (despite candidate obama saying the opposite) - and he did and he has

and for clarity purposes

your daily anti americanism is blatant and obvious

your "america should do this america should do that" is negative 80% of the time

sure it's your right to do so

but it is what it is

not something else

 

[White Eagle]

I appreciate the support, but my attitude to this has nothing to do with the number of Canadians who have died as a result of 9-11 (including a friend who was having breakfast at Windows on the World that day), or those who have died serving in the military doing their duty to their chosen calling.

The fact is that Bush legacy did not keep Americans, or anyone for that matter, 'safe' and my response is not about narrow interests of nationality or personal loss.

By the way Chance ...what victory is it for Bush for keeping Americans safe, when it came at the cost of as many as 50,000 - 65,000 innocent civilians in Iraq in addition to all the American lives that the Pentagon threw away in their quest to secure Iraq's oil? Is this what we all would call a Pyrrhic victory?

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You just aren't reading are you?

No problem. I'll leave you to it. Continue.
sorry for your loss.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

 

[Rolyo85]

Ah, "anti-Americanism" again. Weird that it's the elements most destructive for America - the right-wingers - who are always the first to accuse people of hating America. I'm sorry, when did it become a requirement on this CANADIAN forum for people to only say positive things about America? Being blindly in love with everything the US does is not a prerequisite for political discussion. Get a grip.

 

[White Eagle]

Ah, "anti-Americanism" again. Weird that it's the elements most destructive for America - the right-wingers - who are always the first to accuse people of hating America. I'm sorry, when did it become a requirement on this CANADIAN forum for people to only say positive things about America? Being blindly in love with everything the US does is not a prerequisite for political discussion. Get a grip.

That's right! This is a Canadian forum. I've got to learn to quit saying America when meaning US. America is Canada, Mexico and the US. I need to work on it as much as some here do too.

 

[chance1]

And you can throw as many darts at other posters as you want, chance, but everyone reading this topic saw that you couldn't even answer one simple question. THAT's how incapable you are of admitting double standards in yourself, though you're always the first to point them out in others.

Your Benghazi intro is of no consequence here

Just your attempted - and failed - diversion

U and others reason to live is this

Sad

But true

As for Canadian forum ..... That's like saying the NHL is a Canadian league

 

[Rolyo85]

Your Benghazi intro is of no consequence here

Just your attempted - and failed - diversion

U and others reason to live is this

Sad

But true

As for Canadian forum ..... That's like saying the NHL is a Canadian league

My Benghazi "intro" (English fail much?) was an important aside that you could have dealt with in ONE post. Instead, YOU attempted - and failed - diversion. And you're still attempting it. And still failing.

 

[chance1]

My Benghazi "intro" (English fail much?) was an important aside that you could have dealt with in ONE post. Instead, YOU attempted - and failed - diversion. And you're still attempting it. And still failing.

Yep

Tell pres Obama who is following the bush terror policies in order to keep
People safe

Isn't that a bitch

A conundrum really

The president we love and blindly follow regardless of policy or consequence is copying the president we hate and would make up any story to discredit

Damn

 

[Rolyo85]

I have never defended Obama for following the disgusting Bush/Cheney policies. So bark at another door. What's this - a twentieth failed attempt at deflection for you?

It's really a simple question, Chance. But nobody will blame you if you have the balls to say you can't answer it.