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The Classic Question - Windows or Apple?

What has been your experience with Apple Computers?

  • I went from Windows to Apple and never looked back - I love it!

    Votes: 31 77.5%
  • I went from Windows to Apple and ran screaming back - I hated it!

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • I went from Windows to Apple and it was just ok - just a different set of problems - Meh...

    Votes: 3 7.5%
  • I used to be an Apple user, but I tried Windows and changed over.

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • Total voters
    40
I guess it's different to different people. I'm a Windows user, and I have used OSX and just don't really see "the big advantages"... as a person with a tight budget, PC is the better option for me... can do hardware upgrades cheaper, can get the latest MS OS for free if I want to... can get most of the ultra expensive software for free as well (if I want to)...

Yes, OSX has a really beautiful UI but u'll get used to it in time and it won't really matter, will it? And, u can make a Windows look like a OSX (if you wan to)...

Btw, there's no AutoCAD for Macs and also there aren't any programs for structural analysis for the Mac as well (SAP 2000, Tower)... so there's no way I can use a mac for work...
 
Switched to Mac about 3 years ago and would never go back to Windows now. I just prefer the Mac interface and reliability.
 
I guess it's different to different people. I'm a Windows user ... ... can get the latest MS OS for free if I want to... can get most of the ultra expensive software for free as well (if I want to)...

Stealing software. or music and movies for that matter, is not limited to Windows. Torrenting is plenty common in the Mac world.

Btw, there's no AutoCAD for Macs and also there aren't any programs for structural analysis for the Mac as well (SAP 2000, Tower)... so there's no way I can use a mac for work...

All of which run perfectly well on a Mac using Windows via Bootcamp or Parallels. I know several engineers who use MacBook Pros.

Don't want to dismiss your opinion - I agree there are plenty of reasons not everyone needs to buy Apple machines, cost being the most common. Just wanted to correct some common fallacies in your argument.
 
Stealing software. or music and movies for that matter, is not limited to Windows. Torrenting is plenty common in the Mac world.

I can get most MS software for free. Legally.

They want IT students to use their stuff. ;)
 
I've had both.

How anyone could not choose Apple, after experiencing both, is beyond me...

Well, no matter what I tried, my Mac just wasn't job friendly. PCs are the most popular OS among businesses, govt. offices, and people in general, trying to make my Mac compatible w/ all those PCs, just went straight to hell. I couldn't sync my files w/ my colleagues, my email attachments weren't legible, the conversion software didn't work, all of my formatting was skewed, and the IT fellas weren't Mac fans, so they didn't know how to fix all those problems.

The experience was more frustrating than dealing w/ those annoying Windows' updates. I suppose the compatibility issue weighs heavily in the Mac v. PC choice w/ others as well. Naturally, the numbers could change and ole Mac could triumph as the go to OS. Of course, w/ that increased popularity cyber criminals would certainly follow too, so I'm not certain that we'd be any better off.

I generally like Windows 7 (although Bit Locker is ridiculous), but I'm not a huge fan of Windows or any other OS. Just whichever gets the job done. But yeah, that's why someone might decide to stick w/ Windows after trying them both out. ;)
 
Neither! I'll take Linux over both of them. Try out Mint, Ubuntu or PC Linux. Your always going to pay a pretty penny for the mac stuff, however they are a nice computer. Just don't spill anything on them. :p
 
Mac is closed-source. If you buy a Mac, you are not buying a computer; you are paying a dowry for the privilege of living with it.

If it breaks, you go to Mac. If you want to upgrade it (do people even upgrade Mac, or just buy the newest model -- which is released every other week?) you go to Mac.

Mac’s greatest advantage is appealing to the casual user [often by demonizing PCs]. If you are such a person, than a Mac might be just what you need. If you just want a computer to go online, maybe type up a report for school, or listen to music, than you might be very happy with a Mac. I wish you the best.

However, in my opinion, a true computer is something that welcomes you to understand it, inside and out. Mac computers are very hands-off. Their DRM is insane, their control over what software the user can implement on computers (hope you don't like Flash) and prehensile devices is ridiculous (have an iPod Touch? Hope you like Safari! If you don't TS.), and their hardware is largely in-house none-for-you exclusive.

In short; not my cup of tea.

Hell, a MacBook costs the company about $60 to manufacturer in China, and then they slap a $1200 price tag on it in North America. I would urge people to understand that you are not paying for superior parts or technology; you are just buying brand-name and paying their massively bloated advertising budget. (It costs a lot to turn an underpowered computer into a trendy fashion accessory. ;P)

Remember: depending on your real needs, a $400 NetBook might serve you just as well.

Personally I'll keep my PC. I built it myself, I can upgrade whatever component I want, buy it from where I want, and the software welcomes customization. I can even install whatever OS I want.

If I ever get the urge to see an apple on my desktop I can dual-boot with the hacked Leopard OS that runs on PCs. ;P (Not that I can even think of a reason to do so…)

Just my 2 cents.

PS: I'd love to use Linux, but I'm a gamer and WINE isn't up to the task just yet.
 
I like to use the MAC's for my music production. I still have my Sony Vaio I use for everything else.
 
If it breaks, you go to Mac.

Which is a positive. Apple provide some of the best after-sales service of any manufacturer, made evident by their consistently high performance in user satisfaction surveys. Of course, there are many more third party Apple repairers than Apple themselves.

If you want to upgrade it (do people even upgrade Mac, or just buy the newest model -- which is released every other week?) you go to Mac.

Wrong. I'm typing this on a Mac Pro which is connected to 2 Dell monitors, 4 various external hard drives, a Digidesign audio interface, Bose speakers and a Wacom tablet. It contains 16Gb of RAM, a second Nvidia display card, a second DVD burner and 4 Seagate hardrives I bought and installed myself.

Mac’s greatest advantage is appealing to the casual user [often by demonizing PCs]. If you are such a person, than a Mac might be just what you need. If you just want a computer to go online, maybe type up a report for school, or listen to music, than you might be very happy with a Mac. I wish you the best.

Wrong. Mac computers are the preferred professional standard in most media related companies. Video editors, audio engineers, photographers, designers etc. I'm a video editor and motion graphics designer, and I move more data and crunch more numbers in a week than most users do in a year. A typical job for me may involve 2 or 3 Terabytes of data and 24 hours of rendering using 4 x 16-core networked multi=processor Macs to process high definition 3D graphics. Macs perform consistently well in performance tests and benchmark studies.

However, in my opinion, a true computer is something that welcomes you to understand it, inside and out. Mac computers are very hands-off.

Sounds like you just don't understand Macs very well. They are highly configurable and controllable, particularly if your a *nix geek and comfortable with CLI control.

Their DRM is insane, their control over what software the user can implement on computers (hope you don't like Flash) and prehensile devices is ridiculous (have an iPod Touch? Hope you like Safari! If you don't TS.), and their hardware is largely in-house none-for-you exclusive.

You're talking about iPhone/iPad but the OP asked about laptop computers. There's no more DRM on a Mac computer than on any other platform. If you choose to buy video content from iTunes on Windows or Mac, you'll get DRM video. Same if you buy video from other online sources, like Xbox Live. That's it. None on music. On a Mac computer you can run Firefox, Thunderbird, Chrome, even IE6. All of which support Adobe's shabby implementation of Flash. The video DRM in iTunes is laughably easily to circumvent anyway.

Like Open Source software? There's plenty for OS X, like OpenOffice, Handbrake, VLC, browsers, mail clients, torrenting software, XBMC, Plex, etc etc etc. To suggest Apple has any "control" over the software written for its OS is ill-informed. What's more, you can install any flavour of Windows or Linux if you choose as well.

Hell, a MacBook costs the company about $60 to manufacturer in China, and then they slap a $1200 price tag on it in North America.

Wrong again. The netbook market is currently struggling with the ridiculously low margins they're competing with. Some manufacturers are actually losing money on models just to push into the marketplace. Nobody but Apple really knows what it costs Apple to make a MacBook, but it's a lot more than 60 dollars. In any case, it's irrelevant to a retail customer what anything costs to manufacture - it's what it costs to buy that counts. If a MacBook satisfies a purchaser's needs at the price it costs, that's what counts. Part of the purchase price covers great included software, and great after sales service. And if you have access to an Apple store, free classes, free one-on-one tutorials and problem solving etc.

Remember: depending on your real needs, a $400 NetBook might serve you just as well.

Personally I'll keep my PC. I built it myself, I can upgrade whatever component I want, buy it from where I want, and the software welcomes customization. I can even install whatever OS I want.

That's the first accurate comment in your post. Your opinion and personal requirements are perfectly valid. :-)
 
ToS for software are invalid in Germany.
I can run software that I own on anything :)
 
Apple for sure.

I mean, Apple made the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, the iMac! I mean come ON! What has Windows ever made? XP... Vista... 7... woo... *cough*.

Windows is pathetic...

On another note: I have Boot Camp installed - so I can play The Sims 2. :D
 
Have both a 15" MacBook Pro and a Windows machine side by side on my desk. Turned on the Windows machine once last week to print out some stamps from Stamps.com. It still works...
 
Which is a positive. Apple provide some of the best after-sales service of any manufacturer, made evident by their consistently high performance in user satisfaction surveys. Of course, there are many more third party Apple repairers than Apple themselves.

User satisfaction surveys?

Filled out by who? iZombies? The same people that can't wait to buy 5 iPads because Steve Jobs called them "magical"? Gee, that’s reliable.

/Sarcasm ;)

I got through school trained as a Mac techie at the largest Apple dealership in my city.

I know how they are put together -- I used to fix them. I know where the parts come from -- China and Tiwan, shipped in bulk and assembled in Mexico. I know most of the actual costs -- think triple digit mark-up. I also know how cheap they are in terms of quality -- there is a reason they switched many of their models to Intel processors, and it wasn't for brand-name bragging rights.

After finishing with school I am now gainfully employed in the graphic design field. I use a PC. The “industry standard” line might have been valid in the early 90s but times have moved on. Why the heck would I spend gobs of money on Apple products when PCs can do the same for a fraction of the cost?

Look, some of what you said is true [in a hyper-technical sense]. I won’t dissemble every point because I think much of it is moot; I was speaking about what is feasible for the average computer user who is trying to decide between a Mac or PC laptop. Just because you have the time and resources and finances to supplement the Apple iLife, it does not mean that the typical consumer can match it.

I’d sure as heck not suggest an overpriced MacBook to a college kid that is on a budget and really only needs a computer that can type reports and go online. But Mac would have you believe theirs is the best, most cool thing out there. Sadly, a lot of people listen to the hype.

If I can say something to help them avoid it, than I will. :-)

EDIT: I don’t want to make it sound like I’m an anti-Apple Nazi or anything. I think Mac computers have a place in the market, and they do have uses for certain people. However, I think their overall issues far outweigh their benefits for the average user. I also feel that their primary claim to fame is Apple's billion-dollar marketing campaign to reinventing their image as a trendy accessory.
 
The great bonus with Mac hardware is the ability to install other OSs, like Windows or Linux, if required.

Isn't the whole point of getting a mac to keep as far away from Windows as possible?

To you guys who rave about Apple - they always say "it's better" or "it's amazing" - what is so much better about it than Windows? I'm not an Apple fan purely because it seems overpriced, but still nobody can tell me how "it's better" translates to real-world applications, not even the guys in the Apple shop.

I run Windows XP Pro on a high-end machine I built myself back in Dec 2008. To date it has not had one blue screen and I've never had to restore or reinstall the OS. It's worked flawlessly from Day 1 and I'm extremely happy with it. So what does "Mac is better; you'll never go back to Windows" actually mean? Better how? Better why? Faster? Cheaper? What?

bearboi said:
EDIT: I don’t want to make it sound like I’m an anti-Apple Nazi or anything. I think Mac computers have a place in the market, and they do have uses for certain people.

Who are these people?

My sister has just qualified as a graphic designer, btw, and she swears the Mac is superior colour-reproduction-wise than the PC (although you say you'd use the PC instead). I don't believe her, though - surely if Windows can't make the colours right even with nVidia and Intel building super-high powered GPUs, they simply wouldn't sell?

-d-
 
I also know how cheap they are in terms of quality -- there is a reason they switched many of their models to Intel processors, and it wasn't for brand-name bragging rights.

The reason Apple switched to Intel had nothing to do with the build quality of their computers.

It was because the powerpc line of processors kept lagging behind and could not match the performance Intel offered.
 
^and because they couldn't incorporate the G5 processor in a MacBook, it was far too hot.
 
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