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The Culvert of Inadequacy . . . or, Global Warming Near You

I should add that I called my county commissioner today and he isn't considering any mitigation until homes flood.

Yeah, there does seem to be an ethos in conservative -- well, conservative-governed -- places that you spend no public money on safety infrastructure until events absolutely force you to. And sometimes not even then. Texas is the most visible example.
 
rareboy said:
my gardens this year are totally out of control in a way they've never been.
Lucky.
My garden is just .meh. this year. I don't expect much out of them. The crazy hailstorms we've had are ofcourse in big part to blame.
Weeds on the other hand are healthy and at times out of control. That shit is taking full advantage of the extra rain we had...and just laughing at hail.
 
Indeed. If only there were technologies that would make it possible to pump vast amounts of a liquid into storage containers, and then either ship it by rail or vessel to an area where it might be used. Maybe, one day we'll be able to open a valve in Europe and a supply flows all the way from distant Russia.

One day.
This reminds me of something I read that the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is trying to get cities to do: build massive cisterns with recycling facilities so all their water is contained in the system and they don't have to draw from rivers any more. Given that by the time a gallon of water in the Mississippi reaches New Orleans it's been through several dozen humans, the impact on that river would be impressive, but the place it would be most beneficial would be on the Colorado, especially if agriculture was required to use minimal-loss irrigation -- no more canals no more ditches, just pipes and drip lines. In the Monterrey valley in Mexico a large portion of farmers were convinced to make that switch and they were all shocked by how it changed how much water they needed; most places realized a reduction in water use over 90%! Places in Oregon's Willamette Valley making the switch from overhead sprinklers to ground-spray (a lot like drip, just the pipes are about four to six inches off the ground and use little spray-sprinklers) saw a 75%-80% reduction if they irrigated during daylight, around 85% - 90% if at night.
 
The real problem is that the local governments allow such things as this road, which clearly bisects a wet bottom land. They could have required developers to make the road from the other side, or build a bridge, or have more culverts. They didn't do any of it.

Here there was a road that was built right across an agricultural flood plain because that's where the first settlers put it and local government could afford to change it. It took over ten years of Senator Wyden fighting to get federal flood-control money to raise a half mile of road up onto what are essentially low bridges, but the federal idiots used median-level flood data so they left two sections as they were, with predictable results: those two sections slow the flow enough that on a ten-year flood debris piles up against the low bridges, which blocks the flow, which means that the two sections that weren't raised get flooded anyway. Twice in the last ten years that road has been the only north-south route, and the only reason it could be used was that the farmers there raised the shoulder at their own expense to get at least a six-foot strip above the flood . . . which of course turned those shoulders into dikes, which made the problem worse.
Any engineer who designs based on median levels of anything should be sent back to kindergarten to start over. They did the same foolish thing with Spirit Lake after St. Helens erupted and it almost cost a town its very existence; thankfully some locals took matters into their own hands to stabilize things until the state stepped in with a temporary fix until they could beat some sense into the feds and get them to re-design for a five hundred year event.
 
The same thing happens when they let developers build on hillsides and they later slide off into the valley below.
Down south of me there's a city along I-5 that saw an interesting solution put in place when a developer was about to take them to court because the city had decided to rescind a long-standing development permit for a large hillside once it was determined to be unstable just as it was, let alone with houses on it.
Then a bright engineer (from a university, I think) made a bizarre suggestion that would allow the development and solve the instability problem, and both sides pounced on it: they basically peeled off the entire hillside down to bedrock, drilled holes and set steel I-beams in place, the hung the streets, utilities, and finally the house foundation on a massive steel framework and then put the hillside back. The idea was that the hillside could slide but everything would be safe, but an unpredicted result was that the steel framework was sufficient to add enough stability to the hillside that it has only had small slides covering maybe a hundred square feet while similar hillsides have had actual landslides.
The technique isn't likely to catch on; it only worked because otherwise the developer was going to take a multi-multi-million dollar loss and/or the city was going to pay for the loss of value. I don;t think the developer ended up making even a significant fraction of what they would have if the hillside had been stable enough to build on, but the amount they saved was in the upper eight digits.
 
Indeed. I remember an area near a house that my father once owned. There were houses on top of hillside above a beach front road. That hillside was pretty steep, and there were mud slides every winter that would block part of the road. I can remember seeing that a number of times. My father commented he fully expected those houses would sooner or later come down during some heavy rain/mud slide incident. (I wonder if those houses slid down onto the beach if the property taxes would go up, since since they'd no longer be "beach view" but "beach located" at that point! :LOL:)
A small town just south of me actually allowed houses to be built on a ridge that is nothing more than an ancient sand dune. Geologists from the university got wind of it and pounced, showing up a half dozen at a time at every single relevant meeting. They got the density of houses reduced by about three-fifths, but what really pissed off the city was that they got the state to declare the slopes on that ridge to be untenable for anything more than native trees, so where the city had been looking for a tax windfall based on over two hundred very expensive houses they ended up getting something like forty-five. Of course the houses that did get built are valued at a couple million apiece because they not only have an ocean view on one side and a river view on the other, with nothing blocking their views, but their only neighbors are each other, and they're string out with at least fifty yards between them (and none of the owners objected to the requirement to keep the biomass on the slopes down by trimming the trees because that keeps their views open).
 
I should add that I called my county commissioner today and he isn't considerng any mitigation until homes flood. He said that if the county were to add another culvert, it would shift the overload to the other side of the road and downstream to the house one block away that is just before the culvert that goes under another road. That would overload that culvert and flood that home more often. It got water in it Friday in the wee hours.

Would seem that the thing to do would be to add a culvert down there, as there are no homes downstream from it, only a creek passing through a lot of farm fields.

A friend lives in a spot where in a fifty-year flood the wide depression behind their house becomes a twenty-foot deep slow-moving waterway. Then the city decided to allow a new development and a sewer line -- the kind that uses pipes big enough to drive a compact car through -- and someone suggested that while they had the land dug up they might as well add a flood culvert the same size. That will put the waterway back to about ten feet deep like it was when the area was farms, and take the flood water straight to the river.
It's a tidy solution but environmentally it's very bad because water that used to seep into the ground and feed the water table is now being whisked right out and away.
 
A friend lives in a spot where in a fifty-year flood the wide depression behind their house becomes a twenty-foot deep slow-moving waterway. Then the city decided to allow a new development and a sewer line -- the kind that uses pipes big enough to drive a compact car through -- and someone suggested that while they had the land dug up they might as well add a flood culvert the same size. That will put the waterway back to about ten feet deep like it was when the area was farms, and take the flood water straight to the river.
It's a tidy solution but environmentally it's very bad because water that used to seep into the ground and feed the water table is now being whisked right out and away.
Here, the Tennessee River is huge and rains are increasing. Not foreseeable that runoff will be a factor, although the aquifer might drop due to the boom here and the burden increasing. Farms here generally do not have to irrigate.
 

"The Culvert of Inadequacy"

Is that a fancy way of saying the culvert is inadequate?
 
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