The cure for homosexuality

[People BetrayQuick]

I don't mean to criticize, but . . . isn't this "hijacking" this thread a little bit?

Shouldn't we be talking about the sheep experiment and whether or not there IS a "cure" for homosexuality rather than who would or wouldn't take the pill if there ever was one?

Just MHO.

A4A

If someone has anything to say about the experiment, I'm sure they will anyway. The thread doesn't have to go one way only. It's a debate.

 

[Lube]

Good point, A4A.

The evidence points to at least a partial genetic basis for homosexuality. There's no stopping the research in progress.

The question, as always with technology, is: what do we do with the information gained?

Develop tests and terminate pregnancies?

Give parents a pill to reverse the effects in children?

All those things sound creepy to me.

 

[MetaKnight]

Cure homosexuality? So its like a disease now? How did I catch it???

 

[da_ver]

Altec, People and Killzer07, I'm sorry and disappointed that you feel this way. I once worked on a gay helpline here in the UK which offered information and counselling. On the few occasions that someone said to me that they wished they were not gay (and it was very few) we would explore this further and always yes always the answer/reason would emerge that 'It would be easier if I was straight'. No one, but no one was actually unhappy with their sexuality, it was with other people's acceptance (or lack of) of them. Have you ever heard of any one being unhappy that they are straight? or that they would change that if they could!

 

[Soilwork]

You know.. I'm sure that eventually they're going to start looking for the cure for ugly o the cure for nappy hair.

Maybe the cure for blak skin?

Asian features?

What I hope is that the hormone treatements given to the parents causes infertility and brain cancer. Any parent not willing to unconditionally love a child is a bad parent and unworhty of a child's love.


(And before any of you with homophobic parents waste my time moaning about how I think they have bad parents unworthy of a child's love... don't blame the messenger.)

 

[TaigaStar]

Any parent not willing to unconditionally love a child is a bad parent and unworhty of a child's love.

Once again, you've hit the nail right on the head. Maybe people need to be reminded of the last time a "master race" was trying to take over before we genetically engineer an even bigger problem.

 

[TaigaStar]

What will be next...genetically engineering the IQ, the genital size, etc...

I'd be concerned about any parent obsessed with their child's genitalia size, personally.

 

[Lube]

I'd be concerned about any parent obsessed with their child's genitalia size, personally.

Well then it's a good thing many of the guys on this board won't be parents.

 

[TaigaStar]

I should think that most of the guys on this board wouldn't want to stare at their own son's penis...

 

[jockboy01]

That's an interesting topic.... if they had a cure, would you do it.

Ultimately, I agree they need a cure for homophobia. That I think would change the answer completely.

I know years ago I would have immediately said yes, if there were a cure, I'd want it. Now, I'm not so sure. I know some would and some wouldn't for sure. Wonder what the stats are... maybe I'll start a poll in another thread.

 

[Lube]

I should think that most of the guys on this board wouldn't want to stare at their own son's penis...

Yes, but considering how many here worship at the Altar of Penis Dimensions, they'd surely want their own to be humongous, and that's how parents are with their kids: they want to give them every "advantage" that they themselves didn't have.

OK, I'm done ranting off-topic.

 

[ixthrock]

What are you talking about? I'm not talking about legal rights, a lot of people hate themselves for being gay. Look at the suicide rate, not everyone's "getting better."

And naturally, if it actually worked - some people would re-think their "HELL NO!" statements, it's common sense. I don't know what I would do, but it would definitely make a lot of things a lot easier. Depends on your priorities.

there's so many other reasons for me to hate myself, that "gay" just seems to dwindle to insignificance. I can't stand the fact that I'm not brighter, funnier, that I don't have pecs, that i havent personally freed tibet and discovered the cure for cancer. I hate it when I lose my temper or grieve; I can't stand those moments when I feel "out of control" - or when I feel the need for "down time" - how dare I? Why in the world am I exhausting myself?

I'd much rather give society a pill than myself. we are not alone in feeling "different" in ways that make our lives more difficult; every single individual goes through this, whether they are gay or not, whether they are willing to look at it and evaluate their responses or not.

It is one of the two tensions inherent to individuality - the need to differentiate ourselves, and the need to belong. It hurts to be gay, because we differentiate ourselves from "straight" society, and we feel alone, so we want to take a pill that will make us straight so we belong.... It hurts to be gay, because people make assumptions about what that means - we need to differentiate ourselves - "not every gay person does hair and likes interior decorating!" so we do things to differentiate ourselves from what "all the other gay people" are doing, and THAT makes us lonely, so we put a rainbow sticker on our car so we can feel like we belong, and people make assumptions about what that means....

somewhere along the way, we achieve personhood.

my big fears about society have to do with homogeneity. I think society loses ingenuity and flexibility when we put all of our "crazy" people into assisted living facilities where they are medicated and controlled, instead of making shamans and wise men out of them, and tormenting their crazy buttons for bread and circuses and the amusement of the unwashed masses.

same thing with us queers. If we eliminate homosexuaity, we might wind up as well by killing off one of our predator species that is somehow really crucial to the food chain...

 

[People BetrayQuick]

there's so many other reasons for me to hate myself, that "gay" just seems to dwindle to insignificance. I can't stand the fact that I'm not brighter, funnier, that I don't have pecs, that i havent personally freed tibet and discovered the cure for cancer. I hate it when I lose my temper or grieve; I can't stand those moments when I feel "out of control" - or when I feel the need for "down time" - how dare I? Why in the world am I exhausting myself?

I'd much rather give society a pill than myself. we are not alone in feeling "different" in ways that make our lives more difficult; every single individual goes through this, whether they are gay or not, whether they are willing to look at it and evaluate their responses or not.

It is one of the two tensions inherent to individuality - the need to differentiate ourselves, and the need to belong. It hurts to be gay, because we differentiate ourselves from "straight" society, and we feel alone, so we want to take a pill that will make us straight so we belong.... It hurts to be gay, because people make assumptions about what that means - we need to differentiate ourselves - "not every gay person does hair and likes interior decorating!" so we do things to differentiate ourselves from what "all the other gay people" are doing, and THAT makes us lonely, so we put a rainbow sticker on our car so we can feel like we belong, and people make assumptions about what that means....

somewhere along the way, we achieve personhood.

my big fears about society have to do with homogeneity. I think society loses ingenuity and flexibility when we put all of our "crazy" people into assisted living facilities where they are medicated and controlled, instead of making shamans and wise men out of them, and tormenting their crazy buttons for bread and circuses and the amusement of the unwashed masses.

same thing with us queers. If we eliminate homosexuaity, we might wind up as well by killing off one of our predator species that is somehow really crucial to the food chain...

I agree with your post, but that wasn't exactly what I was talking about. We have a lot more to handle, other than technically feeling "different."

Some gay people want to have kids (in a way that they'll like) simply because that's what they want, nothing to do with other people's opinions. Some gay people feel want to be with girls so they won't hurt their families. Not so they'll "belong" but for their own well being. Some gay people don't even know how to handle themselves or what to do. A cure wouldn't give them an easy life, but they wouldn't have to face hundreds of problems that come with the simple fact they're gay.

That was a response to the person that said " I think that things are getting better unless you live in the middle east......or America." Depression doesn't come just because the society hates gay people. A lot of people wouldn't be changing themselves to fit anyone's standards, but do it for themsleves. Then again, I don't believe a "cure" will ever happen.

That's an interesting topic.... if they had a cure, would you do it.

Ultimately, I agree they need a cure for homophobia. That I think would change the answer completely.

I know years ago I would have immediately said yes, if there were a cure, I'd want it. Now, I'm not so sure. I know some would and some wouldn't for sure. Wonder what the stats are... maybe I'll start a poll in another thread.

I feel the same way, but I know inside that if a "cure" does happen and it works - I'll take it, unless I'm in a serious relationship with a man.

 

[ixthrock]

Some people want to have kids (in a way that they'll like) simply because that's what they want, nothing to do with other people's opinions. Some people feel want to be with girls so they won't hurt their families. Not so they'll "belong" but for their own well being. Some people don't even know how to handle themselves or what to do. A cure for being an individual wouldn't give them an easy life, but they wouldn't have to face hundreds of problems that come with the simple fact that they're a person.

forgive me for altering the text somewhat, but this is essentially my point. I believe I've even known some women who have felt exactly the same...

our society, by nature, is oppressive to the outsider of any stripe. every individual, by nature, is an outsider. curing your (or anyone else's) "gayness" will not change this. you will be an individual no matter what you do. I'm sorry, it's a tough row to hoe, but no one else can hoe it but you, and I'm glad. I've got my own hoe to bear.

 

[Soilwork]

i've been cured.

Of my need to assimilate in any way.

Anyone who would take a pill to be straight.. would you also take one to become a republican? Take a pill to become a christian? Maybe take one to enjoy life in the suburs and never want sex that isn't in the missionary possition?

where do we stop?

Learn to love yourself.. you're the only you you'll ever get, you know...

 

[jockboy01]

Learn to love yourself.. you're the only you you'll ever get, you know...

Perhaps the best advice ever.

 

[nwdavis]

I think we need more of that around here sometimes!

I can't think of a time in my life when I've truly loved myself. I blame it on my f**king christian upbringing. Its like the lyrics of the Pet Shop Boys.

Everything I've ever done
Everything I ever do
Every place I've ever been
Everywhere I'm going to
It's a sin

Good old God-damned Christian condemnation!

 

[Soilwork]

I can't think of a time in my life when I've truly loved myself. I blame it on my f**king christian upbringing. Its like the lyrics of the Pet Shop Boys.

Everything I've ever done
Everything I ever do
Every place I've ever been
Everywhere I'm going to
It's a sin

Good old God-damned Christian condemnation!

Pitch it.

you don't need it anymore.

Just let it go and become the man you know you can be.

If I can do it you can too.

 

[Joshua_me]

That's it !!

I'm 'cured' !!

Hot damn, I've seen the light !!

No more cocks and man ass for me, by golly, those days
are LONG gone !!


Say !!

Check out that hot Jessica Simpson ! MmmHMM ! Boy, that Nick
Lachey sure was one lucky dude getting to plow that tight virgin pussy
every night... What with his muscular body, boyish good looks and
rock hard cock drooling pre-cum waiting to explode with spurt after
spurt of built up creamy pent-up yellowish jizz....

Why, one can almost imagine his face gimacing in sweet release as his
tortured balls unleashed their manly load as the sweat poured down his
sculpted chest.

Umm...

What were we talking about ?

 

[luminum]

What I love about this is that when these so called 'scientists' search for a cure to homosexuality, finding it would unwititngly open up the door to the other possibility: the cure for heterosexuality. That is to say, if you ethically can change someone from a homosexual to a heterosexual, what's to stop me ethically from changing someone from a heterosexual to a homosexual in a similar process?