The cure for homosexuality

[Soilwork]

who would want to be straight?

Having to live your life with some nagging snatch and bratty kids annoying the fuck out of you, being forcd to give up your dreams so you can pop out kids to satisfy your parents.

And don't even get me started on Nascar. All those hot men, and the guys spend all their time chasing the spokes models.

 

[Joshua_me]

who would want to be straight?

Having to live your life with some nagging snatch and bratty kids .

That's the weird and puzzling aspect of it all, J....

Most Str8 guys don't seem to mind the bratty kids and 'nagging snatch'
(Sorry, Mel) day in and day out (Hell to folks like us, but to each their own)

From what I've observed in my own self-absorbed, ego-centric universe,
Str8 guys will put up with most anything as long as they 'get a little' at the
end of the day.

It an odd thing.

As important as cock is to us, 'pussy' is even MORE important to the straight
guys.... It's seems to be like 'coming home', as it were. As satisfiying as
pulling the SUV into their well-manicured driveways....looking foward to the
salmon steaks cooking on the smokeless George Foreman grill, is ramming their cocks into the same, um, well...you know, every night.... night after
night .

Do I understand ?

No.

But, appartently lots of guys do.

More power to them, I suppose.

And hey ! They have great seats for the local football game in the Fall.

Kill me now.

Joshy

 

[Kurn]

Sven Bocklandt

Just to be sure, since the Start of the thread mentioned "gay sheep" one of our best known bro's, by the name of Sven Bocklandt, is famous for his research on "gay sheep" among other things.
Google his name and read about him. He might even be in Wikipedia.
Flemish/UCLA

Sven Bocklandt


Even if the researcher in Oregon were "successful" I feel that there is a high chance that the cure would do more harm than good in a person's brain.

I encourage Weholoms to think outside the box when you think about family life.
If the human race doesn't embrace diversity in family structure, it will be more open to corruption and extinction. Think about begetting a few. Seriously.
But, of course, only if you really wanna.

 

[blackbeltninja]

Cure homosexuality? So its like a disease now? How did I catch it???

They don't know. Hence the research to see if it's genetic or not...

-d-

 

[blackbeltninja]

i've been cured.

Of my need to assimilate in any way.

Anyone who would take a pill to be straight.. would you also take one to become a republican? Take a pill to become a christian? Maybe take one to enjoy life in the suburs and never want sex that isn't in the missionary possition?

where do we stop?

Learn to love yourself.. you're the only you you'll ever get, you know...

Ah, but these things you are referring to are choices. If the scientist in question is correct and homosexuality is a biological effect, then like anything else biological, it can (theoretically) be corrected.

Personally, I reckon that if curing people who don't want to be gay can be achieved and those people will be happy with the results, we should let it happen. It's easy to tell people that they should come to terms with who/what they are but it's not always easy for those people to do that.

We are all individuals - what works for some of us will only work for some of us. In the same way that someone might want to change a career or a religion because they do not like all the baggage which comes with it, if someone wants a new sexual identity and we can get it for them, I think we should. In the same way that someone who has a sex change feels like they are a woman in a man's body or likewise and can get it corrected.

I had a lot of other more personal (as in relating to my situation) stuff in here which I have trimmed out to stay on topic which I will post in another thread should the opportunity arise.

-d-

 

[blackbeltninja]

^^ Well, it should be approached perhaps from the perspective of that it is not "normal" - apparently gay people account for around 10% (I think) of population, so I suppose that could be considered as not normal.

Not to be confused with it being not natural, but just because something is natural doesn't make it normal, neither does it make it necessarily good or necessarily bad.

From the perspective of it being abnormal - and to a point useless in terms of evolution - then perhaps the point oif studying it is not purely for shits and giggles but actually for something more worthwhile. Whether or not the ramifications in the end will be good or bad remains to be seen.

-d-

 

[Rali_hates_Mondays]

Hitler would be having an orgasm in his grave by now! Who needs concentration camps? They won't be anywhere as efficient as the cure that this Roselli is looking for!

I'm sorry I'm blunt with but I thought society (an economically, intellectually advanced country) had moved away from this. Government funding needs to go into a cure for homophobia- that is the simple solution.

EDIT: I should also emphasise the point that advancement of society's acceptance of homosexuality needs to be accelerated more than their progress to finding a cure. If society does not demand it, then there is no cure will be made. Look at race relations hundreds of years ago, in particular black Americans and other non whites. If you offered a pill to make them white, it's probable that they would have taken it. However if you offered them the same pill NOW, it's a different story. Racism had been significantly reduced. The same needs to happen with homophobia.

 

[Soilwork]

I agree.

once we start weeding out the undesirables and convincing gay people that they are undesirables that need to be weeded out, the Nazis have pretty much won.

I don't agree that we should be trying to find a cure for homosexuality any more than I think we should find a cure for Christianity. Actaully.. Christianity is a choice (an a stupid one at that), so maybe THAT's something we should look at curing...

 

[DarkNeko]

Those experiemnts are...terrifying. It really scares me that people are trying to "cure" homosexuality...

 

[altec930]

thats pathetic.

you wanting to be straight? I think that makes you homophobic..
because you dont like the fact that youre gay.

I was one of the people earlier who said I would take the pill and I would say I am homophobic. That just makes my case stranger and another reason I would change my sexuality if possible. I only like straight guys or straight acting gay guys. Other wise it just creeps me out and I get embarassed for them.

I don't want to make anyone mad, I am just explaining my case.

 

[EveretteB1975]

Dont want or need a cure

Amen preach on i am with u 100% all the way.

 

[Joshua_me]

I don't agree that we should be trying to find a cure for homosexuality any more than I think we should find a cure for Christianity. Actaully.. Christianity is a choice (an a stupid one at that), so maybe THAT's something we should look at curing...

Hmm...

Comparing homosexuality to Christianity is quite the leap, there.

Is Christianity really a 'choice' ?

I was dragged by my parents in my uncomfortable suit and dress shoes to
'Sunday school' from age 3 until age 10 or so... I had no choice in the matter, the message was clear, and taught to impressionable young children.

'This is our Christian God, and this is how you should think about him and
worship him without question"

Even once I reached the 'age of reason' and started thinking for myself, it was
at times nearly impossible to get around the early indoctrination. (sp ?)

Years later I found it hard to embrace a religion that told me I was going to
Hell for my 'sinful ways', I still was left with nagging doubts that I wasn't doing 'the right thing'.

The ultimate 'first impression', if you will.

How different life would have been if Dad had gotten me a subsciption to
'Honcho' or some other mag, and raised me with the concept of, "Damn !
Look at the cock on THAT dude !"

I'll briefly differ to Sondheim by saying, "Careful the things you say...
Children will listen."

 

[Lube]

^^ Well, it should be approached perhaps from the perspective of that it is not "normal" - apparently gay people account for around 10% (I think) of population, so I suppose that could be considered as not normal.

Less than 10% of people have red hair, or green eyes, or perfect dimples, or whatever. Are you saying that, because these things are not normal that they should be "cured"?

The only things that make us interesting are those which make us "not normal".

Hello?

 

[blackbeltninja]

Less than 10% of people have red hair, or green eyes, or perfect dimples, or whatever. Are you saying that, because these things are not normal that they should be "cured"?

The only things that make us interesting are those which make us "not normal".

Hello?

Cystic fibrosis and Down Syndrome are not normal. Nor is being blind, deaf or allergic to sunlight. With the exception of deafness and blindness, these are also usually genetic dead ends because almost all sufferers do not make it to sexual maturity.

But if those are your idea of "interesting," please be my guest.

I find personality interesting, regardless of looks or sexual orientation.

-d-

 

[blackbeltninja]

Are you sure that's a good comparison?

There's a big difference in seeking normalization for these as opposed to reasons of cosmetic normalization or socio-cultural mores.

These are things that may impede the individual's ability to function for reasons other than social mores.

I'm not sure the cosmetic reasons or something like heterosexuality or homosexuality impede an individuals abilities or capabilities. Except perhaps in the context of socialized mores.

Well, this is accepting the scientist's hypothesis that homosexuality is genetic/biological as opposed to being social or otherwise.

And I have made my own connection choosing conditions which are evolutionary dead-ends, which is the same as homosexuality for the bulk of us who choose not to reproduce. I take your point, though.

Still, though, as with something which is purely cosmetic, should there be a cure for those people who want to change their condition? Merely acting straight doesn't make you straight, as we all know, and it's no fun pretending to be something that you're not (short of being on stage and getting applause).

If there was a legitimate way - a cure - to actually change all this, would it be a bad thing?

-d-

 

[dynk]

Hell no!

I would not ever want to take the cure.
I have loved my life too much fo that.

 

[blackbeltninja]

blackbelt:

Correction and clarification.

Sorry. I confused the issue in my above post with some poor wording. Allow me to reword this paragraph and the re-read my above post.

Once again, there is a destinction between doing a study to comprehend the genetic/biological etylogies to understand the mechanics, and [strike]doing so[/strike] applying the knowledge for the purpose of cure because something is socially considered to be an error but not for any organic impedence of the persons abilities.

I take all your points on-board.

From the perspective of a career scientist, though, which is what I am, you can never apply for a grant without being able to produce something tangible at the end of things.

That's why you will always hear things like "potential cure" or "treatment" when it comes to biological research. Unfortunately, funding agencies are not interested in giving money for knowlege which has no useful practical purpose. Studying something for no reason other than academic interest with no potential for extrapolation is deemed as entirely pointless - in some cases, rightly so; others, perhaps not. Fact is, at the end of the day the funding people (whether corporate or the tax-payer) wants to see his money working towards something useful - hence the bandying about of the concept of a "cure."

Nevertheless, I stand by my original point that this "condition" of ours is counterproductive to society in terms of the social norms of reproduction and whatever else comes along with it. From that standpoint alone, this might be considered something which needs to be corrected.

Perhaps at the end of the day it becomes the needs of the many vs the needs of the few. Some days you're the many. Some days you're the few.

-d-

 

[Rali_hates_Mondays]

I think trying to define normality is a bit of a red herring cos it's like asking eveyone to describe the perfect human. Everyone is likely to have a different opinion over what is normal and what is perfect.

 

[People BetrayQuick]

who would want to be straight?

Having to live your life with some nagging snatch and bratty kids annoying the fuck out of you, being forcd to give up your dreams so you can pop out kids to satisfy your parents.

Actually, having kids is a dream for some gay people.

 

[KentuckyPython]

(And before any of you with homophobic parents waste my time moaning about how I think they have bad parents unworthy of a child's love... don't blame the messenger.)

Maybe it's because I knew I could always count on my parents' love that I don't get homophobic parents. My mother saw it pretty much as a non-issue that she had a gay son. My dad was deceased before I came out. He'd have freaked out to a degree, but it wouldn't have mattered once he calmed down. There would have been no curing, no hitting, no blaming. It just would have been.