The cure for homosexuality

[Lube]

Nevertheless, I stand by my original point that this "condition" of ours is counterproductive to society in terms of the social norms of reproduction and whatever else comes along with it. From that standpoint alone, this might be considered something which needs to be corrected.

Ever hear of overpopulation?

Insufficient reproduction is not a concern for the human race at this time.

Concern for reproduction (not "wasting seed" as it were) is imbued in many religions because they are trying to outcompete each other by population. Maybe that made sense 1000 years ago, but it makes no sense today.

 

[Lube]

Maybe it's because I knew I could always count on my parents' love that I don't get homophobic parents. My mother saw it pretty much as a non-issue that she had a gay son. My dad was deceased before I came out. He'd have freaked out to a degree, but it wouldn't have mattered once he calmed down. There would have been no curing, no hitting, no blaming. It just would have been.

My family is beyond homophobic.

The believe in the Cult of Conformance.

 

[sonny10305]

CURE IT???? Even if we could, which I do not believe we can, why would we want to. We need more gay people and less straight folks. The world would be a lot better place with more gay people running things. I blame a great deal of the worlds problems on straight men and their macho let's go to war attitude. Do you think an administration with a gay majority would have allowed New Orleans to remain as bad as it still is? or that we would be hated by so many other nations?
or that the enviroment would continue to deteriate ? I could go on and on and on, fact is I don't normally comment on issues like this, I prefer to remain light and funny, but this hit a nerve.

 

[smelter]

The best cure for homosexuality is to picture yourself making love to Jerry Falwell.

Oh god ....... please ........ make it go away!!!!!!!!

 

[ixthrock]

Nevertheless, I stand by my original point that this "condition" of ours is counterproductive to society in terms of the social norms of reproduction and whatever else comes along with it.

I have my own disagreement with this. I may not have kids, but I have valuable knowledge. As part of the group of non-breeders (as opposed to the group of homosexuals - please notice the distinction), we also have more "unassigned" income and time to share with the offspring of those in our tribal groupings who do breed, in order to help those offspring to reach maturity and succeed. I would argue that non-breeders are crucial to healthy offspring, particularly in conditions of overpopulation (Swift's, "A Modest Proposal," anyone?). My arguments why homosexuality is crucial for society's well-being are nearly without number, varied, and not essential to this point.

 

[sonny10305]

If I may add another point.
When they say "cure" just who do they think they are?
Cure, by definition means to restore to good health. Well, there is nothing wrong with us, there is nothing to cure. When will they understand that Homosexuality is part of the natural order of things, and spend more time finding cures for Aids, cancer and bird flu. Physologically, with the exception of the effects of homophobia, we suffer from the same mental illneses as Heterosexuals.
STOP treating us like freaks, give us our rights, and leave us the fuck alone.

 

[ixthrock]

Well, to be honest with you, I do think there *is* something wrong with us. By default humans are suppose to be heterosexual, otherwise life couldn't continue and evolve.

I'm not in denial. I think that it IS detrimental in today's society for every human to be heterosexual. We are a necessary self-correcting mechanism in an overpopulated world. We HELP life (human life, I should say; though you used this word generally, I feel I must point out that life will likely continue even were we to become extinct tomorrow) continue and evolve.

sorry if i'm beating the dead horse here, but it seems as though you missed my post in this thread.

 

[shinero]

The reason that some r getting upset over a "cure" is that humans, most humans r programmed to survive and straight people can survive through having children, and gay people can survive through making sure there r other gay people visible in society. It is natural for alot of gay people to not even want to think of a "cure". It's all a part of life.

 

[Joshua_me]

Homosexuality could be in our genes after all.

I was watching "60 minutes" on Sunday, and they cover homosexuality. You can tell whether a kid as young as 7 whether he would turn out gay or straight later in life by his body actions.

This is SOOO TRUE!!!

There was a study of a twins. One likes to play GI-Joes, and the other one likes to play with barbie....
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2006_09_03/story_1760.asp

I dunno.... maybe...

I admit I had kind of a facination with Sis's 'Barbie Dream Camper', but
that's only because I loved pushing it down this huge hill in our backyard just to see what would happen to it...

Aside from those red checkered drapes being horrible, I also wanted to see
Ken's fake tanned and crotchless ass bumped the F out of there...(and he could take his cheap whore Malibu Stacy or whatever the F her name was with him.....)

Aww, Hell...who am I kidding ?

Still... the fake blue pool and slide were cool....

 

[Joshua_me]

I have my own disagreement with this. I may not have kids, but I have valuable knowledge. As part of the group of non-breeders (as opposed to the group of homosexuals - please notice the distinction), we also have more "unassigned" income and time to share with the offspring of those in our tribal groupings who do breed, in order to help those offspring to reach maturity and succeed. I would argue that non-breeders are crucial to healthy offspring, particularly in conditions of overpopulation (Swift's, "A Modest Proposal," anyone?). My arguments why homosexuality is crucial for society's well-being are nearly without number, varied, and not essential to this point.

This is, quite simply, one of the most facinating, intellectual posts I've ever read on JUB.

(And that's saying something...I LUV a lot of you guys.)

I've never quite thought about it in those terms.

I'll drift briefly: I remember when I was visiting my cousin in Atlanta, at all of age 10 or so.... And, at that age the big deal for me was that we were going to go to 'Six Flags'. (Joy of joys !)

The one caviat was that we were going to be going with my Aunt's 'gay friend', a fact that gave my Mother 'pause', (little did she know ) A guy that
had a hubby and a stable life and all of that.

As it turned out, it was *far* more than a trip to an amusement park, it was
validation for me that there were others like me, and even long before puberty kicked in, I was reassured that not only was I NOT some freak, I was happily instead a source of hope for other guys like myself.

Fuck the cure.

There was no 'illness'.

I feel lucky to have realized that.

Josh

 

[blackbeltninja]

I have my own disagreement with this. I may not have kids, but I have valuable knowledge. As part of the group of non-breeders (as opposed to the group of homosexuals - please notice the distinction), we also have more "unassigned" income and time to share with the offspring of those in our tribal groupings who do breed, in order to help those offspring to reach maturity and succeed. I would argue that non-breeders are crucial to healthy offspring, particularly in conditions of overpopulation (Swift's, "A Modest Proposal," anyone?). My arguments why homosexuality is crucial for society's well-being are nearly without number, varied, and not essential to this point.

A fair number of points and all well-made. I do wonder, though, how well we might help said offspring succeed if there were no hetero parents around. Do we have enough combined experience in all aspects of life to be able to teach? I know it's an extreme situation, but I'd like to think myself useful in all circumstances, extreme or not.

However, should there be a disaster and the world left with only one gender - in a way, this is kind-of how we might loosely view our situation, right? I'll get my flame-proof jacket out in the meantime - let's admit that it would be tickets for us all. No breeding equals no survival.

Of course, whether or not long-term survival is what Nature has pencilled in for us as a species is debatable, given the amount of trouble we are having at the moment with weather phenomena and things like diseases and poverty and whatever, so perhaps the point is moot on a time-scale of millenia.

-d-

 

[twardmo]

I don't agree that we should be trying to find a cure for homosexuality any more than I think we should find a cure for Christianity. Actaully.. Christianity is a choice (an a stupid one at that), so maybe THAT's something we should look at curing...

So which should we cure, Christianity or stupid?

 

[sonny10305]

Well, to be honest with you, I do think there *is* something wrong with us. By default humans are suppose to be heterosexual, otherwise life couldn't continue and evolve. I'm confident enough in my sexuality and open minded to accept this. A lot of gay folks are in denial because the truth is simply too painful. However, in today's society, considering we're no longer animals that all are fighting for survival, such a cure isn't needed. To each their own....

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I disagree with your first point, I don't believe humans are "supposed" to be hetrosexual. Just because we can't breed just means we were created for some other purpose.
I do agree with you however that a cure is not needed.

 

[Lube]

However, should there be a disaster and the world left with only one gender - in a way, this is kind-of how we might loosely view our situation, right? I'll get my flame-proof jacket out in the meantime - let's admit that it would be tickets for us all. No breeding equals no survival.

What does the world being left with one gender have to do with homosexuality? They could all be str8, and they still wouldn't be able to reproduce.

What I think you are failing to grasp, is that even people who embrace their homosexuality don't think that everyone should be homosexual. Be what you are. If we didn't have hetero (or str8-acting) parents, we wouldn't be here. But that doesn't mean that we all have to be hetero.

The world would be dull indeed if we all looked and acted the same, much as we somehow long for that.

 

[innocentbychoice]

The best things I've read anyone said in this thread are "I'm not broken and don't need to be fixed. I'm gay not a leper. I'm not damned and don't need salvation" and "Learn to love yourself, you're the only you you'll ever get". Not very sure who wrote them but anyways, the fact that they were able to found a gay sheep actually means that humans and animals alike can be born gay and it's part of nature. I know for a fact I was born gay, never liked women and loved men since forever. I'm not ill so I don't need a pill.

 

[wentworth]

In addition to being blacklisted as one of PETA�s picks for the 10 Worst Laboratories for conducting crude and useless experiments on monkeys, Oregon Health and Science University (OHSU) is now facing public condemnation from animal- and gay-rights advocates and scientific experts for its ill-conceived �gay sheep� experiments.

At the heart of these multi-million-dollar experiments, which are funded by taxpayers through the year 2008, is the goal of identifying a biological basis for homosexuality in sheep in an effort to �cure� homosexuality in humans. OHSU experimenter Charles Roselli is killing scores of sheep and cutting open the brains of rams he calls �male-oriented� (homosexual) in an attempt to find the hormonal mechanisms behind homosexual tendencies, so that they can subsequently be changed.

In a March 5, 2004, news release issued by OHSU, the university admitted that Roselli and Stormshak would �like to know whether sexual preferences can be altered by manipulating the prenatal hormone environment, for instance by using drugs to prevent the actions of androgen in the fetal sheep brain.�

Equally disturbing is the experimenters� stated intention to apply their findings in sheep to humans. This is highlighted in Roselli�s application for public funding from the National Institutes of Health: �The [sheep] experiments proposed in this application will furnish important information that is needed to formulate and test novel hypotheses about the biological basis of sexual orientation in higher mammals including humans�. Roselli goes on to note in one of his published journal articles that �this research also has broader implications for understanding the development and control of sexual motivation and mate selection across mammalian species, including humans.�

I don't believe a word of this.

This sounds like one of the many rumors that pass around on leftist listsevs--calculated to get people mad for no reason at all.

But it is important to note that this reaction is exxactly why people scoff at you when you claim to be "born gay as proven by s ience". You don't care a whit about science at all.
It's political just like everything else you do.
All the insecure people are coming out of the woodwork now.

 

[Muskox]

Before they find a cure, they will have to find a causal mechanism. That will have some value in itself, in that it will shut up the yahoos that insist it is a choice.

I don't worry about it. Gay individuals keep popping up in every population, human and animal, and I think they always will. Diversity is normal and part of the way biology works. It's part of God's plan, if you look at it that way.