The Desperation of JUB Republicans

[Kulindahr]

Old habits die hard, don't they? When a party is put into power, in large part because of the failures of the party that was previously in power, they often misinterpret what their victory means. The Republicans did it after 1994 and perhaps the Democrats are doing it now. The election of Barak Obama and the strenghtening of the Democrats' hold in Congress should not be interpreted as a green light to the all of the pet projects of large factions of the Democratic party. Many moderates voted for Obama, many who normally might have voted Republican.

Republicans, at the moment, have no clear message and this helps the Democrats. But things in politics change, oh so very fast. I, for one, hope the Democrats don't blow it; but, old habits die hard, don' t they?

And thanks to the unofficial "two-party" system that the Demlicans and Repubocrats have enshrined as sacred lore, we have no choice but to lurch from the filthy gutter on one side of the street to the flithier gutter on the other. There's nothing clear in either gutter -- not message, definitely not ethics. But the electorate so far isn't intelligent enough to throw the bastards out.

 

[Kulindahr]

Oh blah blah blah.

Cry me a river.

"Republicans don't want to work with the Democratic President." Duh.

Hillary Clinton and many others of us said this would happen no matter who's elected while Obama and his supporters said the problem was Clinton and if Obama were elected he could get everybody to work together. So why's he screwing it up?

And rather than putting all Democratic resources into fixing the economy and healthcare and education, using all this Democratic power to get it right, Obama & Co play the Atwater/Rove game of deceitful divisive politics. Just as bad as Republicans are.

Leading the Dems is just like leading the Pubs: you figure out where they're going anyway, and run a little ahead.

At this point it wouldn't matter what Obama did.



Well, unless he hauled out some change we could believe in.

 

[Kulindahr]

President Obama has introduced a New Way of doing The Government's business. His Administration has tackled more, in only 48 Days, than ANY previous President in History! The challenges are unprecedented! An INCLUSIVE approach is bound to have a long "learning curve", getting everyone to break old habits! WE can no longer afford "Business as Usual"!!

On the one big piece of legislation he's gotten through he used the Same Old Way of doing things: letting it be written in partisan fashion by politicians. Only after the Democrats had woven a bill that fit their pet dreams did anyone else get a shot at it.

Business as usual.

 

[NickCole]

Uh ... some examples of that divisiveness???

There are many, and I've been citing them since the primaries.

In this thread I've already cited the Limbaugh meme, which is as ridiculous as saying Chris Matthews is leader of the Democratic Party. It's a divisive ploy.

The whole Change thing was a lie and Obama's proving it.

That Kool Aid drinkers continue to believe the lie while it's being proved a lie is no surprise. And it's sad for our nation because this is not a time we have the luxury to coast. Obama's failures are going to cost us a great deal.

 

[Spensed]

^ Same ol'...same ol'.

Yeah, we still get it.

If only Hillary hadn't lost..... LOL.

 

[NineOfClubs]

^At this point, it's looking like a Hillary win might have been better......

 

[Telstra]

politic is only fun during the election.
Now it is pretty boring to read. Non political is more interesting now.

 

[naked gent]

^ Same ol'...same ol'.

Yeah, we still get it.

If only Hillary hadn't lost..... LOL.

You are aware that had Hillary won the economy wouldn't have tanked right?

 

[Jack Springer]

Stocks turn in worst performance for new president
By MADLEN READ
The Associated Press
NEW YORK — The election of Barack Obama offered the promise of a new set of fixes for the financial crisis and the economy, a do-over that might help nurse the stock market back to health.

[Quote truncated by moderator] Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Source Link (added by moderator): http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOxxrs1Wa0rtkIbYSaD6xS1UPllAD96QOBQ80

 

[Apollo]

You mean something serious that is, idk, an issue like this baiting thread of yours?

You and your ilk really don't care about the real problems that face our world because you are too busy building walls between human beings to care about anyone else. You are the snipers on those walls attacking your fellow JUBbers and making war with those that may disagree with you politically or philosophically, while trying to make us believe you want peace in our world. How can we expect nations of the world to live at peace when your kind start wars in a political forum on a gay porn site?

Pathetic.

Yet, you and your repubs continue not to post anything that is a real issue, I mean this thread wouldnt exist if you were doing what you were just preaching. Maybe if you stop doing the exact same thing you just wrote.

Maybe when you back that post up with evidence, I will take you seriously.

And last time I checked, it was the republicans who don't want to work with the democrats. I believe it was OBAMA who tried to bridge the gap, then it was the republicans (although I think NickCole is a Hilary Clinton "democrat") who said it is childish and immature for him to attempt to work with Republicans.

 

[Apollo]

Despite the OP's attempt at baiting, I'm glad to see others bringing intelligent discourse to the table.

Funny thing about American politics. It's always seeking a certain balance. Those who are up today, may be down tomorrow. We've all seen it happen before an will again.

I actually wanted some intelligent discussion in here, If I didn't, my post would have been a lot worse.

 

[archive]

and this is what happens when we box ourselves in with labels or become to rigid....democrat republican...they're all the same to me....a politician is a politician...

and the bad thing is....a politician is a politician on works because we as americans on the whole dont vote for issues...rather a platform

 

[Kyanimal]

Stocks turn in worst performance for new president
By MADLEN READ
The Associated Press
NEW YORK — The election of Barack Obama offered the promise of a new set of fixes for the financial crisis and the economy, a do-over that might help nurse the stock market back to health.

...................................................

"The guy's been in office for two months," Merriman said of Obama. "We gave the last guy eight years. Let's give this one some time."

The AP's Tim Paradis contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2009 The Seattle Times Company

Thank You! for that article, Jack!

I would hope that all "here" Read the whole thing!

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[NickCole]

"The guy's been in office for two months," Merriman said of Obama. "We gave the last guy eight years. Let's give this one some time."


Thank You! for that article, Jack!

I would hope that all "here" Read the whole thing!

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

Maybe you "gave the last guy eight years" but I didn't.

I didn't need eight years to figure out what kind of President Bush would be. I saw it in his history, while he was running and in every month he was President from the start.

You can "keep smilin'!!" while Bush lies us into Iraq or Obama lets our economic crisis deepen while throwing mountains of debt over our future, but I don't drink that Kool Aid.

 

[TX-Beau]

...but I don't drink that Kool Aid.

No you drank the whine.









I apologize, I just couldn't resist.

 

[naked gent]

You can "keep smilin'!!" while Bush lies us into Iraq or Obama lets our economic crisis deepen while throwing mountains of debt over our future, but I don't drink that Kool Aid.

Nick given that your criticism of Obama's stimulus plan was that it wasn't big enough and you complain he's being too timid and not bold enough how exactly do you come to this concern for the 'mountains of debt' we'll have to deal with in the future?

Was the plan you had in mind bigger and bolder and cheaper also?

You have advocated nationalizing the banks which won't be cheap and won't be paid for today so I'm guessing your problem isn't with debt per say but with any debt Obama may run up.

Is that it?

 

[NickCole]

Nick given that your criticism of Obama's stimulus plan was that it wasn't big enough and you complain he's being too timid and not bold enough how exactly do you come to this concern for the 'mountains of debt' we'll have to deal with in the future?

Was the plan you had in mind bigger and bolder and cheaper also?

You have advocated nationalizing the banks which won't be cheap and won't be paid for today so I'm guessing your problem isn't with debt per say but with any debt Obama may run up.

Is that it?

You guess wrong.

My criticism is for Obama's inadequate response that will not be a long term solution for the economic crisis but will leave us with mountains of debt in a poor economy. That leaves us in worse shape, as the CBO concluded, than if Obama had done nothing at all.

If the stimulus plan were big enough and potent enough, and if the banks were relieved of their toxic waste, stabilized, recapitalized, and credit flowed again, the economy would be back on track and the resultant revenues would help pay the debt.

 

[naked gent]

^^ As I said you don't have a problem with huge debt just Obama's huge debt.

There are some things he's doing that I don't like but I'm not foolish enough to think anything can be done to return us to our previous economic condition so I'm not as willing as double the debt as you are but I do realize that it may still happen.....its just not my first choice.

 

[NickCole]

^^ As I said you don't have a problem with huge debt just Obama's huge debt.

You and some others here keep trying to make it personal because you guys love or hate Obama, Clinton, Bush, et al. I don't love or hate them. For me it's not about Obama, it's about the legislation he's pushed through that is inadequate, which means he's piling on debt for programs that will not resolve our economic crisis.

I disapproved of the bank bailout when Bush pushed it and I disapproved of it when Obama pushed it. Consistent. Not about Bush or Obama; about the legislation. Your claim that I "have a problem with huge debt just" because it's Obama's is proved false by that and other positions I've taken. You're the one obsessed with personalities; for me it's about the action.

 

[NickCole]

As I said previously it makes it easy for me to see what political hacks they are and simply ignore anything they say since it's baseless and grounded in some odd, irrational, anger so why bother reading what they write?

Oh stop whining.

If you don't like what someone writes then do as you say and ignore it; and if you've ignored it, haven't read it, you have no business commenting on it.