The Division of the World into 'Spheres'

[rareboy]

Trump's musings about seizing all of North America and taking over Greenland is consistent with a Kremlin view of the future of geo-politiks.

Heather Cox Richardson covered a lot of this in her live blog today. And I have kept saying to everyone that Trump's ramblings are founded in someone else's viewpoint on how the world is going to be run.

Including those, like his drug addled tech bros who are seeing a world beyond sovereign states.

And that is, Rzzzia gets Europe, Trump gets North Amerika, China gets Azia.

And the oligarchs in each 'sphere' and their leaders live in peace, while plundering the geographical territories that they control.

Watch how this lays out. I will be interested to see who else in the world of geo-political analytics adds in their more learned views.

 

[Norri]

Trump's musings about seizing all of North America and taking over Greenland is consistent with a Kremlin view of the future of geo-politiks.

Heather Cox Richardson covered a lot of this in her live blog today. And I have kept saying to everyone that Trump's ramblings are founded in someone else's viewpoint on how the world is going to be run.

Including those, like his drug addled tech bros who are seeing a world beyond sovereign states.

And that is, Rzzzia gets Europe, Trump gets North Amerika, China gets Azia.

And the oligarchs in each 'sphere' and their leaders live in peace, while plundering the geographical territories that they control.

Watch how this lays out. I will be interested to see who else in the world of geo-political analytics adds in their more learned views.

This is an interesting vision of the future but I wouldn’t bet on it. Should it come to pass I think Russia would gain the least and would probably loose its resource rich ‘Stan’ republics to China but don’t think of it as taking over think more of giving in to a warm economic embrace. The U.S. will look north for its resource needs as China looks west and eventually north as well as the arctic opens up. It sure has a Congress of Vienna feel about it don’t it.

However there are some buts such as where does India fit in and however feckless the Europeans are the Russian military may have them beat. Why would anyone believe the Russians could take over anybody or even offer a warm embrace. People believe that if the Ukraine had modern weapons like the Europeans do they could at least hold the line if not gain ground but somehow the Europeans having those weapons means surrender for them. (I know they’re feckless but there are limits)

A larger problem is that’s it’s a political solution that’s bad for business. Both the Chinese and the U.S. want and need the entire world to trade with and at a minimum that’s at risk. China’s Belt and Road program is all about trade and the warm embrace and Trumps tariffs aside history says Americans love trade deals or at least their leaders do. The upgrading of American ports to allow for the handling of ever larger ships indicate a belief in a future of increased trade.

Hey when it came down to Trumps signature issue immigration vs. business in the hi-1 visa issue business won.

One final thought should it come to pass for the U.S. at least on the demographic level it’s a big win for us. East Asia is getting old fast and Europe isn’t far behind but central and South America give us the advantage.

 

[rareboy]

Time to return to this thread.

Trump's capitulation in initial talks with rrrZZZia almost certainly supports the idea that he is following Putin's doctrine of dividing the world into spheres of control.

The abandonment of Europe to Putin is step one. Europe has no resources that Musk wants and Trump has made it clear that the US will look to shut down trade with Europe and don't be surprised by lots of talk soon about new markets in rrrzia for US interests again once Trump has sanctions lifted.

Bear in mind that even while RRRzzia is at war as the aggressor state in Ukraine, a lot of multi-national companies and brands have continued to either operating in rrrZZZia or holding onto their interests there in some way against future normalization.

And bear in mind that like the 1930's, the oligarchs and large multi-national corporations don't really care about political states. They know that no matter what, they will continue to sell products to everyone everywhere because there literally will be no alternatives out there.

In exchange Trump will get no interference from rrrzzia if (when) he seizes Greenland and at least some parts of Canadian territory.

I expect that both rrzzia and the US will cede Taiwan to the PRC with only lip service if they say anything.

After these world changing events, the plan will run into deep trouble. All the non-players will only be able to watch from the outside of events and be forced to make alliances with at least one of the major players.

 

[rareboy]

I will park this here, because it is relevant to some degree.

Over the next month or so, watch how Americans' perceptions and opinions shift as TrumpCo. hammer away at why RRRzzzia good, Europe/Ukraine bad.

" CNN poll shows just 8% of Americans view Russia positively—on par with those who think the moon landing was fake.
61% see Russia as an enemy, and only 4% as a partner.
Only 9% like Putin, with the same percentage believing the Earth is flat.
52% support Ukraine using U.S. weapons in Russia."

Either TrumpCo. is making a really serious miscalculation, or as I expect, the far right wing propaganda machine will fly into hyperdrive on this. And the only thing that may make Americans not buy the hype will be continued disasters by the GQP taking away Medicaid and supports that directly hit MAGAts.

At some point Project 2025, MuskCo. and TrumpCo. are going to have to let the cat out of the bag and tell Americans and the world what their deadly serious plan for restructuring the world order looks like in order to get buy-in.

 

[rareboy]

And there we have it. A recognition of the world order that Putin believes in and has convinced Trump is the way of the future.

With the United States voting with other predator states against condemning the rrrZZZn invasion of Ukraine, it has made it clear that it now stands against the rules based world order and will join the wrong side of history.

The editorial board of London’s Financial Times noted today that “n the past ten days, [Trump] has all but incinerated 80 years of postwar American leadership.” Instead, it has become an “unabashed predator,” allied with Russia and other countries the U.S. formerly saw as adversaries. The board recalled important moments in which “the US displayed its character as global leader,” and those moments “defined the world’s idea of America.” But a new era has begun. Trump’s assertion that Ukraine “should have never started” the war with Russia, and J.D. Vance’s statement that the real danger in Europe is liberal democracy, are “the dark version of those” moments coming, as they did, “straight from Putin’s talking points.”
Each, the board said, “will live in infamy.” It added that “there should be no doubt that Trump’s contempt for allies and admiration for strongmen is real and will endure.” He is “instinctively committed to the idea that the world is a jungle in which the big players take what they want…. He divides the world into spheres of interest.”

“America,” the board concluded, “has turned.”

February 24, 2025

Three years ago today, a massive influx of Russian troops crossed into Ukraine to join the troops that had been there since the 2014 invasion.

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

 

[NotHardUp1]

 

[NotHardUp1]

 

[rareboy]

A lot of African countries would split between China and rrrZZia. They are heavily colonized and supported by one of these two players

And Australia wouldn't stay neutral.

Neither would Japan.

And, I suspect, neither would Mexico.

 

[rareboy]

Further to the above, Mexico's president has announced that they will be entering into a trade agreement with the EU and diversifying markets away from the US.

This east/west alliance on trade would likely also expand to defensive alliances as well to supply weapons and equipment.

Like Canada, I can't imagine Mexico continuing to rely on Lockheed Martin and the US industrial defense complex.