The effects of climate change

[bankside]

The issue there is that producing 10 million solar panels results in a lot more pollution of one sort or another than 10 solar panels.

But...less pollution than millions of barrels of oil.

...i think...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_mile_of_oil

 

[xbuzzerx]

We might look at this by asking if it's more likely that people would a) change their habits of consumption or b) change their habits of reproduction.

Moreover, we might ask which possibility is more virtuous.

The latter isn't likely at all. "Green" is the hottest marketing term on the planet right now. The problem is that the small number of people actually in control of global energy have an enormous vested interest in oil distribution and no motivation at all to sell you something once that will provide free energy for decades. Brazil also runs heavily on biodiesel which we could easily do here instead of subsidizing turning all of that corn into high fructose corn syrup.

 

[bankside]

China has succeeded in changing people's habits of reproduction. It's a great success.

 

[xbuzzerx]

China has succeeded in changing people's habits of reproduction. It's a great success.

I'm not against trying. I'm just not going to hold my breath it will work.

 

[cgymike]

LA will fall into the ocean by 2040...huge quake near Saugus over 10 on scale....

 

[Kulindahr]

But...less pollution than millions of barrels of oil.

...i think...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_mile_of_oil

I have no idea how much energy it takes to manufacture ten solar panels. But if done by bootstrapping, the pollution would be drastically reduced.

Not sure why, but thinking of a cubic mile of oil brought to mind one of the possible functions of a cable to orbit: the current candidates for materials possibly strong enough are also conductive, so a cable could be run out and have massive solar arrays up at the "business end" near geosynch altitude, and the electricity run down to the ground.

 

[Kulindahr]

LA will fall into the ocean by 2040...huge quake near Saugus over 10 on scale....

A 10 on the seismic scale is strong enough to crack a continental plate (or at least it was when I took geology in college).

 

[Kahaih]

I have no idea how much energy it takes to manufacture ten solar panels.

. . . .

It's been some time since I've read up on solar panels.

As I recall, they are like windmills – not much use without the regulators/transformers and a big pile of batteries that are like car batteries but bigger with lots of lead and bubbling/cooking battery acid that have to be stashed somewhere inside your home.

Everything actually runs off the batteries. The solar panels just charge the batteries – when there is enough sunlight.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's been some time since I've read up on solar panels.

As I recall, they are like windmills – not much use without the regulators/transformers and a big pile of batteries that are like car batteries but bigger with lots of lead and bubbling/cooking battery acid that have to be stashed somewhere inside your home.

Everything actually runs off the batteries. The solar panels just charge the batteries – when there is enough sunlight.

That actually depends on the grid they're feeding into. If solar is a major daytime contributor, it's going to feed straight into the grid, no batteries needed.

Besides that, battery technology is beyond the acid stage -- and we're closing in on supercapacitor tech that will replace batteries. Electrical storage technology is changing so fast that things that were breakthroughs just a few years ago are likely to be obsolete before they can even get into production -- and solar panel tech is similar.

 

[cgymike]

The Oregon Coast would be fucked if a Tsunami hit

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

We should be able to agree at least on attempting to slow population growth world wide, but also in each country. All pollution and environmental damage are a result of population.

if a great folkees no figa 10 12 13 14 15 16 any cnetury
*ooh look glass wata only cans glass wata*
" ma feet wet "
*oops*

anyway

hope 21 st century 1st world lands all play UN gamein tabull ans Co grow up


thankyou

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

That actually depends on the grid they're feeding into. If solar is a major daytime contributor, it's going to feed straight into the grid, no batteries needed.

Besides that, battery technology is beyond the acid stage -- and we're closing in on supercapacitor tech that will replace batteries. Electrical storage technology is changing so fast that things that were breakthroughs just a few years ago are likely to be obsolete before they can even get into production -- and solar panel tech is similar.

govenremt play rooms obsolete fa eons ans lot a thang wot 1st world public nothin betta do lick like a candy stop um die boredum

_maybe a suddans like human apes figa it ans no play all life pay fa few wet asses keep leakin obvious unless it a 1st world public fun time-

thankyou

_planet earth hope human apes so civlied a breakthrough there own heads wot happy let death managey a tey ovar stock a "peopulls"<ha-

 

[Kulindahr]

The Oregon Coast would be fucked if a Tsunami hit

Three tsunamis have hit the Oregon coast while I've lived here. So far, the biggest damage was to boats thrown up on top of docks and into a parking lot, and that was on the southern end.

Now when the Big One hits, it all depends on where the epicenter is. I actually think about that fairly often when out doing my conservation work, because I'm working on a stretch that has headlands both north and south, and refractory effects could result in totally wiping out not just my efforts but the last thirty years' forest growth, or leave it untouched.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Three tsunamis have hit the Oregon coast while I've lived here. So far, the biggest damage was to boats thrown up on top of docks and into a parking lot, and that was on the southern end.

Now when the Big One hits, it all depends on where the epicenter is. I actually think about that fairly often when out doing my conservation work, because I'm working on a stretch that has headlands both north and south, and refractory effects could result in totally wiping out not just my efforts but the last thirty years' forest growth, or leave it untouched.

I'd be thinking more about which way to hightail your ass to high ground...

 

[zoltanspawn]

I'd be thinking more about which way to hightail your ass to high ground...

If you've hiked five miles up a spit you must accept your circumstances with serenity.

 

[Kulindahr]

I'd be thinking more about which way to hightail your ass to high ground...

If you've hiked five miles up a spit you must accept your circumstances with serenity.

Depending on where I'm working, there are a couple of places to retreat to, if I'm aware the quake has hit. The only question then is whether I'll be left on an island or still hooked to the mainland.

 

[cgymike]

Stupid feckless rally in NYC accomplishing nothing but watching it you just know none of those cranksters knows anything about climates.

Tomorrow they go to Wall Street.

Yawn....ineffectual and boring.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

fa a folkees world ova wakin up doin it
_YAY_
" sum 1stW humans apes discova tey no dead?"

SSSH"

thankyou

 

[cgymike]

Good grief 8 here plus 8 means 4 am there. Weirdo!

 

[metta]

Antarctica warming much faster than models predicted in ‘deeply concerning’ sign for sea levels


Antarctica is likely warming at almost twice the rate of the rest of the world and faster than climate change models are predicting, with potentially far-reaching implications for global sea level rise, according to a scientific study.

Antarctica warming much faster than models predicted in ‘deeply concerning’ sign for sea levels

Study finds ‘direct evidence’ of polar amplification on continent as scientists warn of implications of ice loss

www.theguardian.com