The End of Constitutional Democracy

[springboksfan]

The idea of this scenario is completely ridiculous the thought that Bush could get any media whatsoever to lie for him or help him in any way is preposterous.

You have heard of Fox News, right? It's no coincidence that one of their former talking heads is now the White House talking head. Just something to think about.

President Bush would never suspend the constitution because he knows the consequences of an armed society and government tyranny.

And how would he know about this? And why should he care so long as he's safely ensconced in the White House. It'll only be the little people who die anyway.

This whole article is just another anti bush liberal media hoax.

Well, I don't put a lot of stock in it, to be honest. Perhaps it's just too incomprehensible for me to actually believe it could happen. Don't get me wrong, I've often wondered if this administration would do something about that. I mean, it's not like it would be too much of a stretch for them after the "odd" 2000 and 2004 elections and all that "intelligence" used to get the nation into an undeclared state of war.

But what do I know?

 

[springboksfan]

Ooh! OOH!! I have one!!

 

[Andreus]

hehe ^

i saved that to my drive

 

[Centexfarmer]

Seriously though, consider this a Document on "War on Terrorism:"

Joint Publication 3-27 | Homeland Defense | 12 July 2007

Consider what the "War on Drugs" has done to civil liberties:

A HISTORY OF THE WAR ON DRUGS

War on Drugs | Wikipedia

Consider the War on Drugs as a blue print for the War on Terrorism, and you may as well kiss what's left of our Constitutional Democracy good by.

 

[The_Reaper]

Canadians have been saying that for years....

Well, I'm sure if we get rid of Harper, when the time comes Canada might just rally some people together to help you get rid of your dictatorship.

Of course, you would owe us...and have to pay for the gas fare.

But seriously, there's not much we could do internationally if Bush did sort of grab for that gold ring. Legally, he's still your leader and using the powers granted to him...

Although, I imagine a few nations would be ready to lead a liberation force to root him out.

 

[White Eagle]

I'll bet we could rake up some cash for that gas. Thanks we may have to hold you to your promise. I certainly hope not.

 

[AngelBoy]

What could we do if Bush, and his gang, exercises his new powers by declaring a national emergency? In other words, Bush becomes the dictator of the USA? How could we fight back? I have a close friend who says this will happen before the end of Bush's term. I have come to believe the same thing. Now, there is a conservative from the Reagan administration, that is arguing the same thing.

The answer is that the USA isn't Thailand - where just such a thing occurred a year ago with a "bloodless" military coup – backed by the King.

The idea of the “balance of powers” devised by the founding fathers is essential to US democracy. The balance of powers accepts that bad people will some times get control of the state – but that democratic controls can stop this becoming a dictatorship.

Hence Bush and his friends may have done some bad things – but the constitution is strong enough to bring them back under control.

Also before condemning Bush and Cheyney utterly for the war in Iraq – they did act on flawed advice from the intelligence services – which was definite enough that even Hillary Clinton voted in favour of the war.

Sure we know now with 20/20 hindsight that they were wrong – but I can understand why both the executive and legislative branch thought this was the right thing to do at the time

 

[Txgoodoldboy]

AngelBoy:

Hence Bush and his friends may have done some bad things – but the constitution is strong enough to bring them back under control.

I hope you are right. I used to think that the military would be our best defense against a dictator. But I'm not as sure anymore. It seems like, if the generals disagree with the Bushies, they are cut off from the flow of defense activity (the loop), or resign (in other words, fired).

The Courts are stuffed with Bushies.

The Attorney General won't enforce the law.

Republicans in Congress is so far up Bush's ass, they won't see daylight for years.

And remember the Constitution is just a piece of paper to the Bushies.

But I hope you are right.

 

[syntax]

Hence Bush and his friends may have done some bad things – but the constitution is strong enough to bring them back under control.

Wrong. The premise of the Bush "Decidership" is that the US Constitution would be suspended because of a National Emergency, another 9/11. Get it? It would truly be just a piece of paper with no legal value.

 

[Centexfarmer]

Wrong. The premise of the Bush "Decidership" is that the US Constitution would be suspended because of a National Emergency, another 9/11. Get it? It would truly be just a piece of paper with no legal value.

YES! Now here's someone who gets it!

 

[AngelBoy]

Wrong. The premise of the Bush "Decidership" is that the US Constitution would be suspended because of a National Emergency, another 9/11. Get it? It would truly be just a piece of paper with no legal value.

But you’d have to buy into a real conspiracy theory to believe this.

The USA constitution has never been suspended.

I simply don’t believe the 9/11 incident was planned by the Neo Cons – so the issue of them engineering another similar incident is not possible either.

Also – the 9/11 incident wasn’t nice – but it was never a threat to US national survival – we could take this kind of loss (both in life and property) many times every day without it causing any serious damage at all to the nation as a whole.

Just look at England during WWII – they had night after night of far more casualties and buildings destroyed – but they kept going no problem – without suspending their constitution

 

[AngelBoy]

Why on earth would coward Bush need to suspend that which he simply ignores?

No he can't simply ignore the constitution.

My guess is that some of his friends will have real problems in years to come with the practice of “special rendition” – just as the “Iran contra” affair took many years to work out.

Whatever – sub-contacting out torture and keeping people prisoner without charge in Cuba is something that the USA will be ashamed of one day – and look to punish those that did it

 

[RandomAccess]

But you’d have to buy into a real conspiracy theory to believe this.

The USA constitution has never been suspended.

I simply don’t believe the 9/11 incident was planned by the Neo Cons – so the issue of them engineering another similar incident is not possible either.

Also – the 9/11 incident wasn’t nice – but it was never a threat to US national survival – we could take this kind of loss (both in life and property) many times every day without it causing any serious damage at all to the nation as a whole.

Just look at England during WWII – they had night after night of far more casualties and buildings destroyed – but they kept going no problem – without suspending their constitution

Let's put ourselves in Bin Laden's size 16's for a moment:

"I want to do irreperable harm to the US, what's the best way? Hmmm. . . maybe if they have a revolution, and kill themselves off? How could this work. . . Hmmmm. . . Let's say, a well planned [STRIKE]terror[/STRIKE] guerilla attack at the heart of America. . . say, in Chicago (for example). Time it just prior to the end of GWBush's term, and he'll declare a National Emergency, and suspend their constitution, thereby creating a dictatorship. This will cause a tremendous outcry from America's left, and lead to either civil war or revolution! They'll destroy the country from the inside!"

Paranoid? I hope so! Possible? Yes.

 

[craig1956]

Here are some recent topics to add to the discussion....and take a look at the FEMA site...anyone else see a trend shaping up??//

Bush Grandfather part of plan for US Coup
http://www.rawstory.com/

Bush Outlaws All War Protest In United States
http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?5608S

Fema - The Secret Government
http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html