The end of women's rights in Germany

[Zeno Lorea]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831075482030469234

 

[Zeno Lorea]

All the relevant info is in the video, only two minutes long.

For those who prefer their clips to be from Youtube, here it is:

 

[opinterph]

All the relevant info is in the video

Are X user Sybil from the Castle and/or YouTube user Lasst Frauen Sprechen! associated with any larger organization that might be recognizable or that has a web presence that is searchable?

 

[rareboy]

Jesus.

OP really can't let this go?

Screeching TERFs.

I don't pay attention to youtube soapbox videos.

There are much better sources for balanced information.

 

[rareboy]

The idea that women's rights in Germany are at an end is risible.

 

[unloadonme]

There are much better sources for balanced information.

The BBC is generally considered to be reasonably balanced. Here is their report:

Germany eases gender change rules

Adults can now declare a change to male, female or diverse without undergoing a psychiatric assessment.

www.bbc.co.uk

It says "The law allows for those operating spaces - such as women's gyms and changing rooms - to still decide who has access to them".

 

[rareboy]

Chancellor Olaf Scholz said: "We show respect to trans, intersex and non-binary people - without taking anything away from others. This is how we continue to drive the modernisation of our country. This includes recognising realities of life and making them possible by law."
Nyke Slawik, from the Greens - who is transgender - said it was a "first step" towards a society which allows self-determination for trans people.

 

[rareboy]

The BBC is generally considered to be reasonably balanced. Here is their report:

Germany eases gender change rules

Adults can now declare a change to male, female or diverse without undergoing a psychiatric assessment.

www.bbc.co.uk

It says "The law allows for those operating spaces - such as women's gyms and changing rooms - to still decide who has access to them".

It says "The law allows for those operating spaces - such as women's gyms and changing rooms - to still decide who has access to them".

Thank you, It is clear that this in no way ends women's rights in Germany.

 

[KaraBulut]

"Sybil from the Castle" is likely a reference to Sybill Trelawney, a character from the Harry Potter books.

It's also likely a Russian troll account. Back in 2018, an account by the same name was pushing abortion issues on Twitter.

This account claims to be in Paris. It is posting in French and in English, blasting disinformation about a German law. The account also has some images that appear to be doctored:


There are pictures on the Twitter account of a woman who claims to be "Sybil". Her face has very few matches on an image search but one of the matches was to a website called "big sexy titties".

So... is there a reason that this was posted on JUB as a "Hot Topic"?

 

[Taz]

I know it’s off topic, but I wonder if OP has seen ancient aliens the television series?

I feel like they would greatly enjoy it. Similar content in my eyes.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Are X user Sybil from the Castle and/or YouTube user Lasst Frauen Sprechen! associated with any larger organization that might be recognizable or that has a web presence that is searchable?

I have no idea who Sybil in the Castle is, but Lasst Frauen Sprechen! is, as you probably already guessed, the German affiliate of Let Women Speak, a grass-roots organization that holds 'Speakers' Corner' events in the UK, Australia and New Zealand. Some of these events have been raided by vilent men in black with balaclavas. In Melbourne those 'counterdemonstrators' (per the 'reasonably balanced' BBC) were neonazis, in Brighton they were trans women led by Sarah Jane Baker AKA Ma Baker who spent more years in prison than anyone else in the UK. As a man he kidnapped, tortured and murder a relative. In prison he raped another inmate. Then he decided he was a woman in order to spend the rest of his prison term in a more comfortable environment. He is exactly the kind of men Let Women Speak wants to keep out of single-sex spaces.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

It says "The law allows for those operating spaces - such as women's gyms and changing rooms - to still decide who has access to them".

What the BBC forgot to mention is that you can no longer discriminate on biological sex, only on gender identity. So a women's gym cannot refuse biological men who claim to be women.

 

[Thad1527]

I do not understand.
What rights are women losing in Germany?
It seems this law is extending rights to trans women. It is taking away no rights from any women.

 

[unloadonme]

I do not understand.
What rights are women losing in Germany?
It seems this law is extending rights to trans women. It is taking away no rights from any women.

The right to use single sex spaces like lavatories and changing rooms without men who self-identify as women also being able to use them.

 

[KaraBulut]

I do not understand.
What rights are women losing in Germany?
It seems this law is extending rights to trans women. It is taking away no rights from any women.

Again, this is likely a Twitter account associated with a Russian troll operation.

 

[rareboy]

The right to use single sex spaces like lavatories and changing rooms without men who self-identify as women also being able to use them.

Read your post again.

It pretty much says the opposite.

The operators can decide and they'll likely follow the direction of their clientele. And here's a surprise for you. Last time I was in Germany, I used a public restroom where a woman could be in the stall next to a man, next to a mother with a little boy, next to a trans person and then we all came out and washed our hands at a bank of communal sinks.

Increasingly, there are more and more buildings being designed with single occupancy toilets to give everyone terrified of pissing next to someone their privacy.

This is all just wildly over-exagerated nonsense exploited by far right wing trolls to pit people against each other.

 

[Thad1527]

Me? A Twitter account, who's been here since 2003?

I think that "right" to be free of trans women is no right at all. It's like the right to use restrooms free of black people, like the Jim Crow American south of the 1950s.

If there's anything indecent, of course I'm against it. But I believe trans women are women and they deserve to be allowed to pee.

 

[rareboy]

Me? A Twitter account, who's been here since 2003?

I think that "right" to be free of trans women is no right at all. It's like the right to use restrooms free of black people, like the Jim Crow American south of the 1950s.

If there's anything indecent, of course I'm against it. But I believe trans women are women and they deserve to be allowed to pee.

Sorry Thad. You misunderstood.

Kara was referring to the youtube nonsense as being generated by a Russian troll account. (see his previous post).

Kremlin bots have discovered that they can exploit transphobia and use it as a wedge to divide westerners.

 

[unloadonme]

Read your post again.

It pretty much says the opposite.

The operators can decide and they'll likely follow the direction of their clientele. And here's a surprise for you. Last time I was in Germany, I used a public restroom where a woman could be in the stall next to a man, next to a mother with a little boy, next to a trans person and then we all came out and washed our hands at a bank of communal sinks.

Increasingly, there are more and more buildings being designed with single occupancy toilets to give everyone terrified of pissing next to someone their privacy.

This is all just wildly over-exagerated nonsense exploited by far right wing trolls to pit people against each other.

I've read it again and don't see an issue. I've seen several examples of women's groups expressing concern about men who self-identify as women using women only spaces. The issue goes beyond the new law in Germany. In the UK, the debate has included whether trans women should be sent to male or female prisons and whether they should use female changing rooms at gyms.

New transgender prisoner policy comes into force

Transgender women with male genitalia will no longer be able to be held in mainstream women’s prisons, under new measures coming into force today.

www.gov.uk

Trans woman found guilty of rape moved to men’s prison

Move follows Nicola Sturgeon telling MSPs Isla Bryson would not be detained at all-female Cornton Vale

www.theguardian.com

Trans women can be excluded from single-sex toilets, watchdog rules

It is the first time guidance on this issue has been released

www.standard.co.uk

 

[rareboy]

We can agree that it is totally up to the UK and each other country to determine how they will deal with trans citizens in way that protects the rights and dignity of everyone.

The UK seems to have an obsessive group of TERFS who are always making all the noise and who have pretty much had control over the narrative because the UK press loves this type of story in order to pull eyeballs. Nothing like getting the readers all in a lather with hypotheticals and wild exageration. And the British press does this in a way that other countries' press don't.

This whole discussion always seems to come back to being about the UK. And about the lack of accommodation for trans individuals in bathrooms and change rooms. It speaks more to the outdated facilities in the UK to accommodate everyone with privacy and dignity than anything else, it seems.

And typically will always seem to come back to where trans people who have not had re-assignment surgery will be held in prison. Again, it speaks to the nature of a country's facilities for incarceration and protection of all inmates than anything else.

Germany's approach appears to be in line with what the Standard article is reporting will be happening in the UK. So the rights of women are not ending at all. That was just absurd misleading hyperbole.

It seems the Brits, thanks to the TERFs are convinced that all trans women are frauds, only seeking to gain access to female spaces in order to sexually assault them. The reality is that men don't have to do this.