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The Evil Pope is at it again

I can never tell whether what the Pope is saying is his own views, or whether he's just a mouthpiece for the Catholic Church. I do think though, that on all matters of sexuality, the Church is wrong wrong wrong, and the Pope should have the wisdom and common decency to shut up.

-T.
 
While I don't mind people following their religions, I would rather they did it without trying to tell us all to "behave." If I'm not a Catholic then I'm not going to believe in that stuff and it will not affect me. (Well it might, but I don't believe it will) Obviously in the case of there being catholics who commit homosexual acts, it may be different. But people should be allowed to practice (I think I used the wrong practic(s)e?) religion in their own way. If they want to follow a certain religion they won't go against the rules of "said" religion.
It truly amazes me that a man can make millions... possibly billions for spouting things like this - what a waste of money.
 
teadrinker said:
I can never tell whether what the Pope is saying is his own views, or whether he's just a mouthpiece for the Catholic Church.

-T.
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Oh, there's no papal prompter with a jabbing crook behind the drapes in this case; this Pope's record has been unwaveringly reactionary and inhibitive ever since one of his lectures was disrupted by a group of hippies in the '60s. :rolleyes:
 
1big14me said:
All of you guys disappoint me when it comes to respect! The Pope isn't evil. I met him when he was still a Cardinal. He is as humble as the late John Paul II. Just because he is German Doesn't mean that he is a Nazi. The Pope isn't guided by his own personal ideas or agenda's, he is Guide by none other than the Holy Spirit himself. I am Gay, and Yes I am Catholic too. I still struggle with religious issues, and it is because I was a Carmelite Friar for 9 years. Catholicism is so very ingrained in me. I still respect the Pope no matter what.
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Oh please...:rolleyes:
 
"....The pope said humanity needed to "listen to the language of creation" to understand the intended roles of man and woman. He compared behavior beyond traditional heterosexual relations as "a destruction of God's work."

The problem I have with the pope's statements is that they don't match the facts. If the intended behavior was traditional heterosexual relations, why does the Vatican and Church continue to deny priests the right to marry? Or women the right to ordination?

As a Catholic and a gay man, I also think he bases his statements upon past theories that homosexual behavior was learned and not inate; that sexual orientations could easily be changed. It was this belief that led to the crisis in the clergy with pedophiles; they thought they could be "cured" by sending them to a retreat center for extensive prayer and counsel. We now know that pedophiles cannot be changed; that it is something for which there is no "cure" just as there is not for being gay.

To accept the pope's words at face value would seem to indicate that God makes mistakes in his creation since homosexual tendancies and actions have been found not just in humans but all species. It is either that or God is a very cruel God who creates imperfect creations and then torments them not just in this life to change but for everlasting life. ...
 
1big14me said:
All of you guys disappoint me when it comes to respect! The Pope isn't evil. I met him when he was still a Cardinal. He is as humble as the late John Paul II. Just because he is German Doesn't mean that he is a Nazi. The Pope isn't guided by his own personal ideas or agenda's, he is Guide by none other than the Holy Spirit himself. I am Gay, and Yes I am Catholic too. I still struggle with religious issues, and it is because I was a Carmelite Friar for 9 years. Catholicism is so very ingrained in me. I still respect the Pope no matter what.
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and that is your right to allow it to be continued to be ingrained in you.

But he does not deserve my respect. Respect is earned, not given. And he has done NOTHING but harm the gay community. I will NOT respect that behavior. That behavior results in pain, suffering, abuse, mistreatment, inequality, and killing of gay people. I will NEVER respect that....NEVER!

The Catholic Church, itself, has a very ugly past of getting people killed that disagree with them.
 
1big14me said:
All of you guys disappoint me when it comes to respect! The Pope isn't evil. I met him when he was still a Cardinal. He is as humble as the late John Paul II. Just because he is German Doesn't mean that he is a Nazi. The Pope isn't guided by his own personal ideas or agenda's, he is Guide by none other than the Holy Spirit himself. I am Gay, and Yes I am Catholic too. I still struggle with religious issues, and it is because I was a Carmelite Friar for 9 years. Catholicism is so very ingrained in me. I still respect the Pope no matter what.
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When the Pope decides to have the basic decency to respect me and my fellow gays I shall respect him in turn. Otherwise: no deal.
 
here's some pictures of real priests selected by the holy father to serve at the vatican (source)

makes you kinda wonder if they're keeping these boys close to home so they don't get into trouble out in the remote parishes

or maybe a whole other reason ;)
 

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UnderBiCover said:
here's some pictures of real priests selected by the holy father to serve at the vatican (source)

makes you kinda wonder if they're keeping these boys close to home so they don't get into trouble out in the remote parishes

or maybe a whole other reason ;)
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Wow...hot!!!

yummy....yummy.... :drool:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/ind...iewPicture&friendID=188108464&albumId=1530098


I get dibs on this one....

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CnAnPB said:
"Is the Pope Catholic?"

Why should he have respect or show decency to Sin so to speak? Until the RCC recants on gay acts = sin then every Pope will do as this one. He isnt looking for your respect.

Stalemate
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Erm, I believe my point was expressing exactly that...

And no, he isn't seeking my respect, or anyone else's, for that matter. He just expects it... 'cause he's the Pope, and all. Well, he can piss right off.
 
UnderBiCover said:
here's some pictures of real priests selected by the holy father to serve at the vatican (source)

makes you kinda wonder if they're keeping these boys close to home so they don't get into trouble out in the remote parishes

or maybe a whole other reason ;)
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Why was their hotness holding on to the bible? WHY?!? :cry::cry::cry:

Specially the first 3 guys...WOW! I wanna be blessed by them...they can pour some of their "holy water" on me. :p

:gogirl:
 
thewiz said:
"....The pope said humanity needed to "listen to the language of creation" to understand the intended roles of man and woman. He compared behavior beyond traditional heterosexual relations as "a destruction of God's work."

The problem I have with the pope's statements is that they don't match the facts. If the intended behavior was traditional heterosexual relations, why does the Vatican and Church continue to deny priests the right to marry? Or women the right to ordination?

As a Catholic and a gay man, I also think he bases his statements upon past theories that homosexual behavior was learned and not inate; that sexual orientations could easily be changed. It was this belief that led to the crisis in the clergy with pedophiles; they thought they could be "cured" by sending them to a retreat center for extensive prayer and counsel. We now know that pedophiles cannot be changed; that it is something for which there is no "cure" just as there is not for being gay.

To accept the pope's words at face value would seem to indicate that God makes mistakes in his creation since homosexual tendancies and actions have been found not just in humans but all species. It is either that or God is a very cruel God who creates imperfect creations and then torments them not just in this life to change but for everlasting life. ...
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I think the wiz represents what a Catholic should be,reconciling his sexuality with his faith.Hopefully the warped thinking of the conservative old guard will soon wither and die with the older generation,and a much more Christian,compassionate and loving view of gays replaces it.Or else,the Church will have nothing but itself to blame fior driving away gay Catholics in droves,and making itself even more irrelevant in their lives.It is most difficult to respect ignorance and bigotry.
 
Yeah, the human race is really on the brink of extinction - what are we now? down to our last 6.5 billion or so?

We all know it was 'the gay' which wiped out the dinosaurs.

I am so glad I abandoned catholocism pretty much as soon as I could think for myself.

Stupid old fucktard.
 
Well - I don't often post on religious matters...but anyone who has seen me do so before will likely be aware that I have very little time for organised religion - most especially the Catholic Church (for me they rate about on par with the Mormons and not far ahead of Westboro Baptists in terms of hypocrisy).

I have to say that the current Pope in particular (and the Catholic Church in general) seem to have rather lost the plot when it comes to what is supposed to be one of the main precepts of the church - COMPASSION. They seem to be far more about power, influence, politics and preservation of their (outmoded) status quo.

The article mentioned by the OP (same details as this one: http://story.australianherald.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/c08dd24cec417021/id/445433/cs/1/ ) is intolerance and prejudice at its worst. There again, it is hardly surprising, coming from someone who appears to have been influential in the pronouncement on homosexuality made by John Paul II. Just look at the third para in the article referenced below and you'll see what I mean...
http://atheism.about.com/od/popejohnpaulii/a/homosexuality.htm

So - does anyone want to try and explain why I should have respect for a prejudiced, out of touch, old man with a warped viewpoint that marginalises a significant proportion of society - while, at the same time, steadfastly refusing to deal with homosexuality and paedophilia within his own institution?

Sorry Benedict - the elephant in the room should be just a little too large for you to continue to ignore...
 
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