The Homeless

[WilsonPhillips4Ever]

Re: Sex With The Homeless

And that's to say nothing of the lack of ethics involved in that sort of behavior.

Things like that ^^^ really burn my toast.

People use "ethics" as an argument against gay people, too. Don't moralise for other people. It's on them, not you.

 

[hairycub29]

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i remember 2 guys who had just been released from jail want to have sex with me in a back lane way when i was 16- they showed me their release papers to proove it .... i didnt go ahead with it ..... they were huge burly guys that assumes would kill me afterwards

 

[CGHJ]

I would never do it...but if scrapple or anyone else wants to do it, and the guys aren't forced to put out, who cares? Maybe meeting scrapple was the best thing that happened to them all week. I agree that the risks are way too high for me, and I have a steady supply of horny marines so I don't need to go there, but I'm not going to cluck-cluck anything that two consenting adults do.

 

[anemieasy]

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No, you're not the only one. I find the topic at hand to be disturbing, at best.

I'm well versed on the various fetishes within our community.

This ain't one of them.

Are we counting? I make me as the third. This just flat blows me away!

 

[anemieasy]

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The only two decent posts on this cesspool of a thread.

The guy who made the first post, scrapple, needs therapy. What a sicko!

I 2 cented somewhere here. Now I make you the fourth. Thank God!

 

[anemieasy]

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Mmmm bum cum

EXCELLENT! If you don't, I'm putting this in Urban Dictionary!

 

[anemieasy]

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Anyone is free to comment on the topic of the thread. And I'd love to comment. I happen to think the subject at hand is a perversion, and not really a fetish at all.

Sometimes you meet people on the internet that will just disagree with ya.

Gotta' love free speech!

heY! Snap, (and the strangely very few others) I think it's really nice that you are being so nice here and interjecting the free speech thing and all, and it is very clear to me that your message is this is not a free speech issue at all, but doods, this subject, its practice and even thought is more than disturbing, its just flat wrong! The very idea that this is being promulgated is likewise wrong. Geez, if y'all get bored with the homeless and sharecroppers, take in Zoo, and head for the stall. I'm not a heaven or hell kind of guy, but I know where jails and graveyards are. Honest to goodness, until now, I had never ever heard of this. I'm, shocked.

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

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Am I the only one who finds this thread sick and disgusting. You are talking about taking advantage of vulnerable people, for God's sake.

i'm with you on this

a couple of weeks back i saw a guy coming out from under the sidewalk from a subway grate.
i couldn't believe it. i stopped and bought him a sandwich and a soft drink.

i never knew that people lived underground in Toronto.

so weird.

 

[Paws]

Re: Sex With The Homeless

Am I the only one who finds this thread sick and disgusting. You are talking about taking advantage of vulnerable people, for God's sake.

But secretly, you're fascinated by the "Bumfights" videos.

 

[biospeak]

My first reaction to this post was that it's disgusting ... but then I remembered that guy sleeping in his car around the corner from me.
Very sexy ,but looked humiliated ,pretending to read a magazine as if waiting for someone.
He was there for about a week ,had Eastern European number plates.
somehow the fantasy of inviting him up to my apartment always ended with me lying in a pool of blood

 

[scrapple]

I find this subject fascinating.

 

[headstart]

it is rather interesting

 

[orton619cena]

My first reaction to this post was that it's disgusting ... but then I remembered that guy sleeping in his car around the corner from me.
Very sexy ,but looked humiliated ,pretending to read a magazine as if waiting for someone.
He was there for about a week ,had Eastern European number plates.
somehow the fantasy of inviting him up to my apartment always ended with me lying in a pool of blood

Ha! I misread your post and read it about you laying in a pool of blood. I was like.. WHAT!

Then I read the word "fantasy" lol.

Anyways, nice to know you weren't laying in a pool of blood.

 

[JackFTwist]

taking advantage of the homeless is disgusting

don't have any pretense about being anything else than a manipulator and rapist

you don't have to hold a gun to someone's head to be a rapist -

the worst type of rape is those that have playing with the live sof those that don't

one can dress it up any way they want but some things are just wrong


edit:
sorry I didn't realize it was an old thread but my point stands and what motivation on earth would cause this to be bumped up again

 

[Kulindahr]

I had a friend that WAS murdered doing exactly this same thing. Several of us had been out that evening partying together and he left early. They found him the next day. He was 22. I have never gotten over it.

Homelessness -> Drugs (often) -> Various intra-veinous drugs -> Shared needles -> All kinds of lovely surprises next time you go to the doctor.

Can you see where I'm headed here?

You think because he is straight and not doing drugs, the risk for STD is low? Think again. He just fucked a homeless chick that is turning tricks for food and they didn't bother using a condom.

Those are a summary of reasons to think thrice about doing this.
Don't think all homeless people are like that, though. When I was briefly on the streets, I knew a gal with like $35,000 in the bank. If she'd gotten an apartment, she would have gone through that fast; as it was, by taking odd jobs as she could, she was adding to those saving so she could buy a used RV -- and become only semi-homeless.
(Speaking of semi-homeless, I met some truckers once who live in their semi....)

Homeless people are just that. People without a home.
Before you do this, make sure any valuable thing you might have is locked away in a place where your guest can't find it (and the key also isn't around).
Some might drug you and try to steal your things when you are out.
Be careful, and be sure to give them some money (but don't overdo it) when they leave.
I was homeless myself, and this arrangement suited me. Please be generous because life on the streets is often difficult, clean clothes and maybe some food are much appreciated. You can put their clothes in the washing machine while they stay at your place.

The washing machine idea is a good one; I pulled it a couple of times when I had college guests home from OSU.

taking advantage of the homeless is disgusting

don't have any pretense about being anything else than a manipulator and rapist

you don't have to hold a gun to someone's head to be a rapist -

the worst type of rape is those that have playing with the live sof those that don't

one can dress it up any way they want but some things are just wrong


edit:
sorry I didn't realize it was an old thread but my point stands and what motivation on earth would cause this to be bumped up again

Extending the reasoning many have used for objecting here, we'd have to conclude that any time a guy with a better economic condition hits on a guy with a lower one, it's immoral. This isn't really that much different from a 22-y.o. with a $45k/yr income being picked up by a 52-y.o. businessman with a $125k/yr income; often that's for some economic benefit. For that matter, people of more similar incomes buy drinks for another guy in hopes that the "input" will incur a reward.
For a homeless guy, a shower, a good meal, a warm bed, and clean clothes can be such a major gift that they willingly go for sex out of gratitude. Sure, sometimes it's out of a sense of obligation, but in either of those there's a core condition: they agreed.
It comes back to that basic principle of civilized behavior, "You own yourself", and the derived fact that all free interactions between individuals are of a contractual nature -- good contracts, bad contracts, fraudulent contracts, but contracts.

The OP is clearly honoring this: there's no pressure, no requirement, only an offer of home-style living for a night, anyway. Sharing the bed is more a suggestion than pressure, though I would add a cautionary, "Are you sure?" before engaging in anything.

It's about respect about his self-ownership, and as long as you're not exerting pressure, it's ethical -- it's just one more economic arrangement, like taking a guy to dinner and a movie and expecting to get sex.

Of course it's about respect for yourself, too -- so be cautious, and safe. Personally I'd say that means get to know the guy first, before taking him home -- including buying a meal or three, without any conditions on it.




note: I lived on the streets for a while, though for most of it I had a truck to "live" in. I even picked up a guy who had a home, once or twice; they thought it was exciting to be "homeless" for a night and have a little fun out in the corner of the Walmart parking lot.

 

[ixthrock]

I can't believe the voices decrying this as "exploitation" of the "vulnerable."

*sings*
"Have you never been homeless....
have you never triiiieeeedd....."

Do you realize how much of the National Rainbow Family is technically "homeless?"

Do you realize how many perfectly sane people run mental health scams for Government Assistance checks?

Any idea how much of your tax dollars go to support programs for people who are perfectly capable of holding down a job in this society and merely don't want to?

Ok, the concern about the risks to life and property are understandable (the same as they are with any cleaner-cut trick), but don't you DARE try to put a dehumanized and impersonal face on "the homeless," unless you can back it up with documentation saying that "they" have authorized you to be their spokesperson.

I have shared my consensual bed with many a traveler in my day.

 

[LatinoSTAR]

This is Sick.......

 

[axioma16]

Extending the reasoning many have used for objecting here, we'd have to conclude that any time a guy with a better economic condition hits on a guy with a lower one, it's immoral. This isn't really that much different from a 22-y.o. with a $45k/yr income being picked up by a 52-y.o. businessman with a $125k/yr income; often that's for some economic benefit. For that matter, people of more similar incomes buy drinks for another guy in hopes that the "input" will incur a reward.
For a homeless guy, a shower, a good meal, a warm bed, and clean clothes can be such a major gift that they willingly go for sex out of gratitude. Sure, sometimes it's out of a sense of obligation, but in either of those there's a core condition: they agreed.
It comes back to that basic principle of civilized behavior, "You own yourself", and the derived fact that all free interactions between individuals are of a contractual nature -- good contracts, bad contracts, fraudulent contracts, but contracts.

The OP is clearly honoring this: there's no pressure, no requirement, only an offer of home-style living for a night, anyway. Sharing the bed is more a suggestion than pressure, though I would add a cautionary, "Are you sure?" before engaging in anything.

It's about respect about his self-ownership, and as long as you're not exerting pressure, it's ethical -- it's just one more economic arrangement, like taking a guy to dinner and a movie and expecting to get sex.

Of course it's about respect for yourself, too -- so be cautious, and safe. Personally I'd say that means get to know the guy first, before taking him home -- including buying a meal or three, without any conditions on it.




note: I lived on the streets for a while, though for most of it I had a truck to "live" in. I even picked up a guy who had a home, once or twice; they thought it was exciting to be "homeless" for a night and have a little fun out in the corner of the Walmart parking lot.

I am both shocked and appalled by the nature of this reasoning. You seem to be implying that covertly coercing someone into engaging in a sexual practice, in which they might not be willing to participate were their situation different by masking it as an act of charity, is justifiable because there is a certain degree of reciprocity.

Taking advantage of another human being's desperation and the anguish caused by their utter and complete social alienation is despicable and shameful: there's no other way to describe it. These people may very well be grateful for the opportunity that they are being given to have a small window into normalcy, but that doesn't mean that no one is forcing them to trade their dignity for the possibility to simulate having an ordinary life that lies beyond their possibilities.

Simply put, what the original poster described is equivalent to blackmail and rape - an implied agreement that causes people to do things that lie beyond their desires or inclinations, just because they must surely feel emotionally indebted to the individual that is giving them a morsel of charity. The fact that their situation is extreme and they might be anxious for any form of human contact doesn't validate the contractual nature of this repulsive arrangement; the fact that one of the parties is forced to agree out of necessity, doesn't make this any less of an abuse.

Thus, comparing this situation to those in which people might have the opportunity to choose to decline the other party's invitation is, in my opinion, unfair and amoral. Anyone can find ways to justify even the most disgusting of actions, and yet that doesn't make such actions acceptable.

 

[ixthrock]

I am both shocked and appalled by the nature of this reasoning. You seem to be implying that covertly coercing someone into engaging in a sexual practice, in which they might not be willing to participate were their situation different by masking it as an act of charity, is justifiable because there is a certain degree of reciprocity.

Taking advantage of another human being's desperation and the anguish caused by their utter and complete social alienation is despicable and shameful: there's no other way to describe it. These people may very well be grateful for the opportunity that they are being given to have a small window into normalcy, but that doesn't mean that no one is forcing them to trade their dignity for the possibility to simulate having an ordinary life that lies beyond their possibilities.

Simply put, what the original poster described is equivalent to blackmail and rape - an implied agreement that causes people to do things that lie beyond their desires or inclinations, just because they must surely feel emotionally indebted to the individual that is giving them a morsel of charity. The fact that their situation is extreme and they might be anxious for any form of human contact doesn't validate the contractual nature of this repulsive arrangement; the fact that one of the parties is forced to agree out of necessity, doesn't make this any less of an abuse.

Thus, comparing this situation to those in which people might have the opportunity to choose to decline the other party's invitation is, in my opinion, unfair and amoral. Anyone can find ways to justify even the most disgusting of actions, and yet that doesn't make such actions acceptable.

can you tell me, exactly, what is contained in an "ordinary life" that you feel lies beyond the possibilities of "the homeless" Hell, just explain to me what an "ordinary" life IS...

On the other hand, don't. I'm sure it would lie outside my comprehension. You place ALL the homeless on some sort of pedestal that is also a gutter; either way, from your perspective, they ALL seem to lie OUTSIDE the margins of YOUR society. You don't see them as individuals, who make choices of their own. You strip them of that right when you say that "they" are being blackmailed and raped. You make victims of them whether they would agree with you or not.

I have been turned down, trying to take a hot homeless guy in for the night. I gave him my lunch anyway. Not every homeless person is tempted by the thought of a down comforter to commit regrettable acts.

y'know, while I'm at it, I want to talk about the guys that have set up camp at I-10 and Capital Circle. Do they really have to litter? Oh, I see them, every day, the same guys, hanging onto their sign at the off-ramp, "God Bless" and all that, and it's apparent what they do with the money they receive. They will NOT work for food, and make no pretense. I don't mind that. They can live their drunken lives in their tent close by, you can see the cowpath/leyline leading into the bushes where they reside, and it's o.k.... but can they not at least pick up their trash? That corner is really becoming an eyesore. That's not mental illness, that's "buy me a goddamn beer and leave me the fuck alone"

what I'm saying is that these individuals DO have the opportunity to decline the other party's invitations, contrary to your disempowering assertion. I felt the OP tried to make this clear.

 

[KennyD]

I do not make judgements on ANYONE for ANYTHING legal ...
My problem is your own health 'n safety. What IF just one of these guys has an std or worse yet .. AIDS ?
2nd .. My aunt had a 24 year old gay boss in South Point, Ohio several years ago ....
He , being a Nice Guy .. picked up a homeless hitchiker , took him home, let him get a warm bath/shower, gave him clean clothes and washed his dirty ones , fed him a hot dinner, and offered him the guest room .... NO strings attached.
During the night, the guy went into the study, got a hand gun out of the desk , went into the bedroom and beat the guy in the head .. turned him over and tied him to the headboard with ties from the closet.
Then he proceeded to rape the young man over and over and when he could not get erect anymore, he used a broom handle and wine bottle . Then he killed him.
From there he took all the money, credit cards, jewelry, tv set, stereo, and the new sports car and away he went ....
I believe if memory serves me that he only got FIVE Years because it was determined that he suffered from "Mental Illness" at the time.

I'll pray for your health 'n Safety .... hopefully something like that will NOT happen to you .