The hot terrorist

[NotHardUp1]

Not a hard and fast rule.

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I think there is a difference between deference to (perceived) rank and adulation of the attractive.

Kirk was never handsome. If he were at a restaurant or disco or bar, he'd get no favoritism as a stranger among equals.

That he is idolized now is only a product of his imputed embodiment of supposed virtues.

His eyes are too close, his nose too broad, his face and forehead unattractive, and his upper lip recurls like the Joker's.

Take away his money, influence, and following, and he'd be low in the list, whether for straights or gays.

Take away Luigi's crime, and he'd be high on all lists.

 

[Alistair]

Sounds like a plan.

I was thinking the same thing

 

[NotHardUp1]

I was thinking the same thing

To be transparent, I intentionally didn't say I was opposed to it.

Either we are for radical revolution, or we are not for Luigi.

Although I'd normally not ever champion vigilante action, the way the country is headed, I'm not sure how we're getting out of this without passing through some kind of bloodbath catharsis.

 

[LeicsDom]

BBC News

Man accused of impersonating FBI agent in bid to free Luigi Mangione​

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

BBC News

Man accused of impersonating FBI agent in bid to free Luigi Mangione​

Free him til it's backwards. He was just making sure prison bae is well accounted for. Prison is such an ugly place. Anyway this is America and we believe in redemption, justice and fairness. I've yet to hear a convincing argument that Luigi is guilty.

 

[unloadonme]

Mangione is no longer facing a death penalty if convicted.

Luigi Mangione will not face death penalty if convicted, judge rules

The judge dismissed a federal murder charge against the 27 year old.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[LeicsDom]

Mangione is no longer facing a death penalty if convicted.

Luigi Mangione will not face death penalty if convicted, judge rules

The judge dismissed a federal murder charge against the 27 year old.

www.bbc.co.uk

Isn't it odd that plea bargaining has started before he is even convicted?

 

[backagain]

Isn't it odd that plea bargaining has started before he is even convicted?

That is no plea bargaining. I am sure that he will be convicted and will be a very old man if he ever gets out. Looks and youth long gone.

 

[KaraBulut]

Isn't it odd that plea bargaining has started before he is even convicted?

In the American system, the defendant is presumed to be innocent and the government has to prove guilt. The government has to present the defendant's indictment to a judge before trial. The filing has to cite the specific laws against the people that the defendant is accused of violating.

The judge reviews the charges and can dismiss charges that the judge feels do not meet the standard of proof required by the statute.

In this case, Mangione is up on both New York State and Federal charges. That is unusual. Usually, a murder is tried in State court, unless the crime(s) cross State lines or involve multiple States.

The judge dismissed some of the Federal charges because the judge felt that the Federal government did not meet the burden of proof for the charges to go to trial. Mangione will go to trial for murder in a State court in a separate trial.

One of the reasons that so many of us are really pissed off about all of the Trump pardons is that it is really hard to be found guilty of criminal charges in the US. A grand jury has to hear the evidence and agree to charges. A judge has to review the charges and agree to allow them to go to trial. A jury or a judge has to hear the evidence in a trial and the jury has to unanimously agree that you are guilty of criminal charges. It's not a flawless system but if you're found guilty, it's likely because the evidence says you are guilty.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

That is no plea bargaining. I am sure that he will be convicted and will be a very old man if he ever gets out. Looks and youth long gone.

They have conjugals, I'll give him a weekly hot beef injection and enough protein to keep that skin smooth and shiny like Cher's. that man can have ALL these cookies.

Like, not even regular sex, I'm talking bout disrespectful, me on all fours, he's got one of his leg propped up on the furniture and the other only top of my head. And I don't even do feet. He is the one yt man on Beyonce's planet that could call me the n word with the hard -er while he's smashing.

 

[LeicsDom]

That is no plea bargaining. I am sure that he will be convicted and will be a very old man if he ever gets out. Looks and youth long gone.

Of course there has been plea bargaining. Otherwise how can they say he will not be given the death penalty?

 

[unloadonme]

Of course there has been plea bargaining. Otherwise how can they say he will not be given the death penalty?

Is it not because federal murder charges carry the death penalty, whereas murder charges specifically in New York state do not. As KaraBulut has explained, the judge has decided that the bar for federal charges to be tried has not been reached.

 

[rareboy]

Of course there has been plea bargaining. Otherwise how can they say he will not be given the death penalty?

It is not plea bargianing. The death penalty was related to a terrorism charge.
The judge has dismissed the death penalty because the charges remaining wouldn't sustain a death penalty sentence.

 

[unloadonme]

It is not plea bargaining. The death penalty was related to a terrorism charge.
The judge has dismissed the death penalty because the charges remaining wouldn't sustain a death penalty sentence.

The terrorism charges were kicked out in September (see post #194), so if a death sentence remained a possibility until yesterday's ruling, it had to be linked to the murder charges instead. As I said earlier, this appears to be a question of federal v state rather than terrorism v murder. In either case, I agree that it's not plea bargaining.