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On Topic Discussion The James Webb telescope stands for LGBT discrimination

Exploring the universe is no different than early explorers discovering our world. The desire and need to explore, to discover what's 'out there' has always been human nature. Understanding the universe means understanding our place in it and, indeed, us.
 
gsdx said:
Exploring the universe is no different than early explorers discovering our world. The desire and need to explore, to discover what's 'out there' has always been human nature. Understanding the universe means understanding our place in it and, indeed, us.
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Totally agree.
 
gsdx said:
Exploring the universe is no different than early explorers discovering our world. The desire and need to explore, to discover what's 'out there' has always been human nature. Understanding the universe means understanding our place in it and, indeed, us.
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The cost of those explorers was somewhat less extortionate.
 
Peloso said:
Last week I ordered a couple paperback books from Amazon and they came in an oversized box filled with styrofoam peanuts. Good thing, too, since the last paperback I ordered arrived completely shattered. Maybe if the government pumped some more of my tax dollars into my healthcare instead of the military I could afford to be virtuous and order my stuff online elsewhere, but until then, I'll "do my part" once Bezos does his.
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If you live in a city of over three million people, as you say, then why would you buy anything from Amazon in the first place? Surely there are shops, even ones that sell books?
 
peeonme said:
As for the impact on the environment from shooting rockets into space is concerned it would seem to make sense to examine the use of fossil fuels in all ways that they are used, such as cargo ships, airliners, heat, lights, travel etc.
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Indeed. People who take a plane every fortnight have no right to complain about NASA launching the occasional rocket. And the people who believe that all the money that goes to NASA or the Vatican or the Queen should be used to end poverty or "fix mankind" should practice what they preach first: sell their phone and give the proceeds to a poor family who are preggers again.
 
That was three million residences (from my state sanctioned corporate littering post). The population is two or three times that.

Bookstores that weren't choked out by technology were chased away when mayor Bloomberg turned the city into one giant strip mall. Still, there are a few I know of.

But I live on a fixed income that's barely sustainable. Ten months behind on rent, for starters. Cash that may be pocket change for some is significant money for me, so I benefit from saving a few dollars on Amazon, as much as ten dollars per book, since going to a bookstore also means $5.50 subway fare.

I know, I know..."If poor people can't afford books, there are plenty of street signs and cereal boxes they can read". But there are some books you want to own.

And yes, I do go to the library, even though it always smells like bleach and vomit.
 
Peloso said:
But I live on a fixed income that's barely sustainable. Ten months behind on rent, for starters. Cash that may be pocket change for some is significant money for me, so I benefit from saving a few dollars on Amazon, as much as ten dollars per book, since going to a bookstore also means $5.50 subway fare.
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I am sorry, I didn't know money was that tight. In most of the countries I know, buying something online is rarely cheaper than in a store... I think.
 
Zeno Lorea said:
I am sorry, I didn't know money was that tight. In most of the countries I know, buying something online is rarely cheaper than in a store... I think.
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For people like me who not only have health and physical limitations but financial limitations as well, online shopping is sometimes the only option available.
 
Buying on line saves both time and money. Also it saves me from the frustration of going to a store only to find that the product that they advertised is out of stock. It saves me from finding that only 2 check out lanes are open and having to stand in self checkout for 20 minutes. Me and the wife did our Christmas shopping from my computer and the goods were here in a few days.
 
/\ /\ . . . . Not only that, most stores, especially small stores, have very limited inventories/selections.

And, too many times I've wanted something on display, or out of stock only to have been told that the items would have to be ordered. Guess from where. LOL I've watched them go to the computer. And, of course, that means another trip to the store to retrieve my order, or have it delivered to my door, anyway.
 
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Zeno Lorea said:
I am sorry, I didn't know money was that tight. In most of the countries I know, buying something online is rarely cheaper than in a store... I think.
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Not in America, and certainly not in New York where rent and property taxes are so high. Amazon doesn't have huge savings, but I've learned that every little bit helps. If you look for bargains consistently and shop wisely, the savings add up.
 
gsdx said:
For people like me who not only have health and physical limitations but financial limitations as well, online shopping is sometimes the only option available.
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That is of course a game-changer. But I think for most people in big cities in Europe and Asia, online shopping is just done out of laziness. The Asian teenager next door will have a sandwich delivered to her bedroom from the supermarket down the street, which costs a lot more than just walking over there. And in a big city, thousands of delivery bikes (and vans) clog the streets.
 
gsdx said:
Exploring the universe is no different than early explorers discovering our world. The desire and need to explore, to discover what's 'out there' has always been human nature. Understanding the universe means understanding our place in it and, indeed, us.
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The science-junkie in me is like HELL YEAH! The philanthropist wonders why space-travel is a priority when thousands, maybe millions globally don't have access to clean water, medicine, food or shelter, basic components for a sustainable let alone happy life. In what universe can one look at this and say "Yes, this is a functional system?" Nobody's against space travel, we're against having parties on Mars while people starve down here or die from diseases that could've been cured with a shot.
 
^ That would mean that the United States would be supplying clean water, medicine, food or shelter, or basic components for a sustainable life for the entire world and I doubt that the US is willing to do that when they don't even make the 1% pay taxes to do it in their own country. The NASA budget for 2021 was $23.3 billion. The US Defence budget for 2021 was $753.4 billion.

Jeff Bezos spends $5.5 billion to launch Origin for a 4-minute space ride.

Priorities.
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adaman...n-aid-spent-by-us-government/?sh=85b0ea94374d
"Each year, the U.S. spent about $47 billion. Half the aid went to Africa and the Middle East in FY2018, the latest year available for these statistics. Interestingly, despite President Donald Trump’s “America First” agenda, aid to foreign countries remained virtually unchanged in the first two years of his administration."

Personally I think that if the USA wants to shoot off a rocket or two we have been pretty generous to other nations and don't have to explain ourselves to any other person or nation. I am not a big fan of billionaires (though I don't despise them either) https://davidhlawsonfoundation.org/charity/often-asked-how-much-money-bill-gates-charity.html
"Bill and Melinda Gates have given $45.5 billion to charitable causes, including the eponymously named Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, since 1994, CNBC reported, citing the Chronicle of Philanthropy. In 2019, the couple donated $589 million to charity, making them the seventh most philanthropic people last year."

Many wealthy folks donate more than they pay in taxes, circumventing bureaucracies of the government that would pilfer the funds before they would reach the needy.
 
peeonme said:
circumventing bureaucracies of the government that would pilfer the funds before they would reach the needy.
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As opposed to giving the funds to their cousins' charitable organizations where they pilfer the funds before they reach the needy? Most of these acts are performative charity, the leaders of these organizations are just like American politicians, spend more time bumping elbows with celebs than anything else. We the only country that can donate millions in AID to other countries and somehow none of it ever seems to reach the people who actually need it. But I'm sure those tax write-offs make it all so very worth it. :gogirl:

As GSDX so eloquently summarized, 5 BILLION for a quick trip to space but we still don't even have clean water in Flint. You can't make that make sense.
 
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fabulouslyghetto said:
As opposed to giving the funds to their cousins' charitable organizations where they pilfer the funds before they reach the needy? Most of these acts are performative charity, the leaders of these organizations are just like American politicians, spend more time bumping elbows with celebs than anything else. We the only country that can donate millions in AID to other countries and somehow none of it ever seems to reach the people who actually need it. But I'm sure those tax write-offs make it all so very worth it. :gogirl:

As GSDX so eloquently summarized, 5 BILLION for a quick trip to space but we still don't even have clean water in Flint. You can't make that make sense.
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We send the cash to the governments of the people in need, personally I see it as a pay off for political favors from these governments. The funds get used before they reach those in need. If we were to stop our space exploration and send all of that cash to the same folks we would still see the same results. The Flint water problem was caused by a bumbling government, not by billionaires.

If we were to take the fortunes from the rich with the intention of distributing them to the poor, how much of that money do you think would reach the poor? Preachers fleece their flocks, politicians lie (on both sides) charities beg for money and still nothing changes. People are by nature decent unless they acquire power... then they suddenly forget their altruistic ideals and feed off of the needs of the poor.

So, please tell me your solution... what is the answer? Does a person in an important position in Washington DC really have a damn clue about what life is like in Flint? Does a televangelist really care? Do you think that the journalist that pushes out stories that are given a spin to point out how unfair life is really care? These are rhetorical questions, so don't bother with an answer.

I believe that the answer to many of life's problems begins with that which is within our reach. I don't look to the government to fix problems, they don't have a good track record.
 
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