The latest gallup polls

[andysayshi]

^ Isn't that an added irony in US Politics? You have all this nickel-and-dime bitching, and the US is about to spend a billion dollars + on another 18 month election campaign! Most countries manage to do it in 4-6 weeks.

 

[Just_Believe18]

Meaningless polls. Remember they were close when McCain and Obama were facing election and look at what a landslide that ended up being.

 

[Ninja108]

I'll say this..all of the leading Republician candiates have made it known making the LGBT second class citizens is one of their top focuses. Why on earth anyone would want to vote for that is beyond me.

 

[Just_Believe18]

It's not just gay rights. The Republican agenda is a myriad of backwards thinking:

1. The Republican party supports tax cuts for the rich that are not paid for and add to the federal deficit.

2. The Republicans then pretend that the deficit is the absolute crisis of the nation and ONLY wants to cut federal spending to solve the deficit while sparing tax cuts and most military spending.

3. The Republicans want to cut social security, medicare, and medicaid before they make the rich pay one penny.

4. The Republican party held the nation hostage with the deficit ceiling, causing S&P to downgrade the credit rating of the United States.

 

[laikaNYC]

Romney/Giuliani

What a dream ticket that would be!

 

[Kulindahr]

^ Isn't that an added irony in US Politics? You have all this nickel-and-dime bitching, and the US is about to spend a billion dollars + on another 18 month election campaign! Most countries manage to do it in 4-6 weeks.

I suspect that if US campaigns took place in only 4-6 weeks, the real winners would be the best liars. The primary campaigns are long stretches when sleuths can dig in and find the bad stuff, claims can be examined, and character judged as candidates try to make their base happy while not pissing off the general electorate.

 

[LikesDudes2]

Thank goodness. Obama is an absolute trainwreck.

 

[Kulindahr]

Thank goodness. Obama is an absolute trainwreck.

Nah -- Obama is just a derailment. McCain would have been a train wreck.

 

[chrisrobin]

This thread is "much ado about nothing." At this point in 2007, Rudy Giuliani was leading the Republicans and Hillary Clinton was leading the Democrats.

 

[CowboyBob]

The elections are over a year away. I've never believed that much in polls anyway. Anything can happen between now and November 2012.

 

[chance1]

This thread is "much ado about nothing." At this point in 2007, Rudy Giuliani was leading the Republicans and Hillary Clinton was leading the Democrats.

says that guy who does daily Michelle Bachman is batshit crazy threads
based on some partisan article or hand picked videos

THIS IS A GALLUP POLL

sorta what the PEOPLE are saying

The PEOPLE who represent the U.S.A.

so take your own advice

stop posting "much ado about nothing" threads

this doesn't happen to be one of them - compared to your train wreck stuff - this is not PARTISAN

anyway

agree that there's a lotta time so while it means a lot (obama is not popular) there is oodles of time for this to change

really love the lead with your chin this is "much ado about nothing"

LOL

 

[chrisrobin]

says that guy who does daily Michelle Bachman is batshit crazy threads
based on some partisan article or hand picked videos

THIS IS A GALLUP POLL

sorta what the PEOPLE are saying

The PEOPLE who represent the U.S.A.

so take your own advice

stop posting "much ado about nothing" threads

this doesn't happen to be one of them - compared to your train wreck stuff - this is not PARTISAN

anyway

agree that there's a lotta time so while it means a lot (obama is not popular) there is oodles of time for this to change

really love the lead with your chin this is "much ado about nothing"

LOL

I put this political polling on about the same level with BCS preseason polls. Much ado about nothing. No team in the top 20 has played a down. Doesn't mean a thing.

 

[kallipolis]

agree that there's a lotta time so while it means a lot (obama is not popular) there is oodles of time for this to change



LOL

Best to take note of Dewey almost winning the 1948 contest with Truman trailing badly in the polls.

Dewey was pipped at the final post.

Eggs, counting, and hatching etc.

 

[chance1]

I put this political polling on about the same level with BCS preseason polls. Much ado about nothing. No team in the top 20 has played a down. Doesn't mean a thing.

hmmmm

don't care for your analogy

not one bit

here's why

what has happened in obama's first 3 years in office MATTERS
what has happened most recently MATTERS more
short memory and all
he has developed a resume the last 3 years - some good, some bad, some awful
right now the majority of the country doesn't care for him
these things matter - they don't get forgotten

Pre-Season polls truly mean nothing in that if you don't win all or most of your games you ain't winning the national championship
those polls truly mean nada other than experts predicting based on what they've seen/heard
those opinions don't matter in the end

people's opinions - those who vote - there is no game per se - MATTERS

i think i got u on this one chris

why don't you throw up a hot guy on your next post - might deflect some of the absurdity

and give us some fun

 

[Centexfarmer]

The republicans WANTED a long protracted debate about healthcare to keep Obama from fixing anything else. Healthcare is needed but Obama should have been focused on job creation not debt creation... he could have saved debt creation for his second term... now he may not see a second term and his crowing achievement will be dismantled by an austere republican congress and President.

SO that is a fairly empty argument no matter how great the need.


To other post above about the regret and blaming the American people....
As far as complaining how ignorant the American people are for allowing this that or the other thing.... I believe the door is over there.

The people who fucked up at a high rate of speed will not be the republican party if they resume control of this government in 2012. It certainly isn't the american public who are bought and sold at auction with sound bite politics. Nope. The people who screwed the pooch are an inept Democratic leadership that can not wipe their tears away long enough to prioritize.

Jay I absolutely agree with you here on all points.

I think Obama's biggest challenge should be convincing all of those "New Democrats;" youth, independents, moderate republicans, and just Americans who were in General tired of Bush and the tired GOP Message back in 2008 to give him a second term in 2012.

Here's the poll that was posted in the link that Ninja108 linked to when he created this thread:

If anything the poll represents just how apoplectic Americans are to the current State of our Union.

However, I'm pretty confident that if either of the GOP candidates that are currently being bantered about should win the GOP Primaries next year, Obama will still win.

Not anywhere near the margins that he won back in 2008, but he'll still win.

Not because I foresee the Democrats and President Obama finally getting their shit together, but because the only victories that the Republican Party seem to be making is protecting the wealthiest Americans at all costs, and their willingness to put their Party and their ideology over the interests of most of the rest of Americans, and America in principle.

Given that kind of choice, Americans generally continue to "dance with the one who brung 'em."

Back in 2004, with two wars being waged, and the first signs of the economy going into to the toilet with Republican lead deficit spending, that there was no way that Bush could get a second term.

But he did.

The electorate waited until 2006 to end the 12 year Republican Revolution by take the Congressional Majority away from the Republicans, and giving both Houses of Congress back to the Democrats.

And the GOP still didn't learn anything. [strike]They ran McCain/Palin in 2008, and lost the Presidency by one of the biggest landslides since LBJ beat Goldwater in 1964.[/strike]

They ran Bob Dole, and Jack Kemp back in 1996 and got lost in a Landslide! [thanks laikaNYC, see below]

Some would argue that the GOP stole the election in 2000 since Bush didn't win the popular vote, and SCOTUS ultimately decided the winner.

So What did the Republicans do? Bush43 in the White House, both Houses of Congress controlled by the Republicans?

They Ran American like they had a mandate from the Whole of America.

They went even further to the right during the Congressional Races of 2010, and the Democrats pretty much sat on their hands losing Congress, while barely hanging on to the Senate.

Politically the Democrats should be capitalizing on that, but in the "art of compromise" they've only moved further to the Right in an attempt to meet "the crazy" that passes for and to avoid a true political debate in our country.

Those facts alone should be reason for the Democrats to lose.

At least the Republicans are "on message," even if all that that message is "making sure that Obama is a one term president."

Right now I think that poll represents that America is a ship without a rudder, or an effective captain.

My Grandpa use to say, "If you don't stand for something, then you'll fall for anything."

Right now I don't see Democrats standing for much of anything, other than attempting to be a bulwark against the complete dismantling of every progressive issue and item that was hard fought and won during the past century.



That those polled are willing to vote for anyone candidate that they think could either get us out of this mess, or the candidate that most effectively panders to their fears, or against the candidate that most or least panders to their fears, is not the Hope and Change that many Americans voted for 3+ years ago.

 

[laikaNYC]

They ran McCain/Palin in 2008, and lost the Presidency by one of the biggest landslides since LBJ beat Goldwater in 1964.

Really? Hate to break it to you, but that's a complete lie.

Obama beat McCain by 7 points. You only have to go back to 1996 to find a bigger "landslide."


Clinton beat Dole by 9 points in 1996.
Clinton beat Bush by 6 points in 1992.
Bush beat Dukakis by 8 points in 1988.
Reagan beat Mondale by 18 points in 1984.
Reagan beat Carter by 9 points in 1980.
Nixon beat McGovern by 23 points in 1972.

 

[Kulindahr]

Really? Hate to break it to you, but that's a complete lie.

Obama beat McCain by 7 points. You only have to go back to 1996 to find a bigger "landslide."


Clinton beat Dole by 9 points in 1996.
Clinton beat Bush by 6 points in 1992.
Bush beat Dukakis by 8 points in 1988.
Reagan beat Mondale by 18 points in 1984.
Reagan beat Carter by 9 points in 1980.
Nixon beat McGovern by 23 points in 1972.

When did the Electoral College start using points?

 

[Centexfarmer]

Really? Hate to break it to you, but that's a complete lie.

Really?

Can I call you a liar each time you post statistics without links, or documentation?

Obama beat McCain by 7 points. You only have to go back to 1996 to find a bigger "landslide."


Clinton beat Dole by 9 points in 1996.
Clinton beat Bush by 6 points in 1992.
Bush beat Dukakis by 8 points in 1988.
Reagan beat Mondale by 18 points in 1984.
Reagan beat Carter by 9 points in 1980.
Nixon beat McGovern by 23 points in 1972.

To be fair, I'll provide mine:

Obama biggest Dem landslide since LBJ?

That’s what Peter Brown from Quinnipiac polling says…And Peter is no liberal!

In fact, I knew Peter at the Sentinel and he’s to the right of Dick Cheney.

See that, the guy who's polling data says that I'm right thinks that Dick Cheney is a Liberal.

Here's a link to his complete polling data:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1223

So since you didn't provide any links for the polling data that you shared, I guess I'll just have to take your word that I'm a liar.

 

[laikaNYC]

You give me a links from articles that were written before the election?

Here's a link to an even bigger "landslide" than 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1996

That's 9 percentage points.

 

[Centexfarmer]

You give me a links from articles that were written before the election?

That's right, 12 days before; polling data from Florida, and all of the swing states, projecting (in some cases) a 19% spread in favor of Obama.

Here's a link to an even bigger "landslide" than 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1996

That's 9 percentage points.

Thanks laikaNYC!

I appreciate your helping me out here.

I just edited my original post here in this thread, it's like magic:

#37

I'll quote myself so that you can see the changes.