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The military is a tough place for this...

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Okay, a little about me. I am 27 years old and I live in Texas. I joined the Army out of high school and was in ROTC during my undergrad- then commissioned. I went to medical school and so as not to give away too many details, I will just say I am in the early years of a surgical residency. Because of my educational commitments, I have never been deployed, but there is the possibility that I will be in the very near future.

A lot of people won't understand this and that is okay because there is so much that even I don't understand about myself and my circumstances. I had a really normal and pretty good childhood. I did well in school, was a good athlete, etc. I fell in love with a wonderful, sexy girl when I was 20 and we had beautiful twin boys who died within days of being born. Eventually our relationship died too. It is one of the regrets that will follow me to the grave.

I have never been one to emotionally invest in a great number of people. I tend to invest very deeply in only a few, and these losses, in retrospect, made me retreat from the world in many ways. I became a fantastic student and a pretty damn good physician because I threw myself into my education and my career. Then three years ago I fell in love with another guy.

It was not something I saw coming until it was already too late. I met him during undergrad and we were fast friends. Before it became apparent that we had imperceptibly crossed that line between loving and being in love, I already knew he was the best friend I'd ever had. I met him in ROTC back during undergrad. Maybe there's not much point in talking about how it happened. I'm not really sure exactly how it did to be totally honest. I can just say that the realization of what we had become to each other was earth-shattering for both of us. I had never been attracted to the same sex and at first it wasn't really a sexual attraction. It was very much an emotional one. I've always been one to date my friends and I have never been a very visual person to begin with, but that doesn't really matter now because I look at him and think he is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.

I have already wrestled with the questions of what this means for my life and what it says about me. It is so difficult to suddenly realize that one of the things you have always taken for granted about yourself is suddenly not true. Some people will say I have been in perpetual denial. Obviously I have considered that. I still don't know what label to apply to myself really and I have just had to come to the point of being okay with that. It's not about a label. It's about another person.

I am a Christian. I am an educated man but I really believe. I am in the Army and Chase is also in the military. What we have done is a crime. There is so much that has been totally upended by it but even with all the questions, one of the few things I am sure of is that I want to spend every day of the rest of my life with him. It has taken a long time to get to this point. If it had just been for my part, I probably wouldn't still have him, but to his credit, he has loved my relentlessly, in spite of myself. Being with him makes me want to be better- I am not sure exactly what else to say.

Living this way has taken its toll. The people closest to us know now but for a long time we only had each other. It has made our relationship very strong and resilient. Lately we have both been feeling there is a decision to make. It's not about whether we want to be together. It's more about whether we are going to both admit our relationship and be separated from the service.

Chase is going to be deployed soon. I could be deployed. We aren't under any illusions about what this means. But the scariest part for me is that idea that something could happen to him and nobody would know what we were to each other. I would be viewed as nothing more than a friend. I am scared to death about anything happening to him but we both signed up for this. I am more scared about just being another face in the crowd. It isn't right or fair, but that doesn't change it.

I am sad for him because this is all he has ever wanted to do. I have always wanted to be a doctor, and even though I would be up to my eyeballs in debt if I were discharged, nobody can take away the fact that I am a physician. I am overwhelmed that he would give it all up for me but I really want better than that for him. We have talked about what would happen if the UCMJ was changed, and it would still be difficult, but we can't stake our future on that happening. And once we reveal it, there is no going back. It would really suck if we did and things changed two months later because this is a permanent decision.

Perhaps part of the problem is that we don't feel like we belong anywhere. We don't identify with the gay community really. Maybe this is a product of unfortunate stereotypes because neither of us know many people in homosexual relationships, but when it comes down to it, we are both pretty military, especially Chase. We definitely aren't simple-minded grunts but we're both officers and we fit in well. We definitely wouldn't fit in well if people knew we are together. Most of our friends would probably disappear. Hell, even some of my own family has disowned me, and very few of them know to begin with. It's a shame because we're still the same people. We both wish we knew other bisexual or gay officers, just so we would know we're not totally alone and that other people are struggling with the same issues.

Wow, a few years ago, you couldn't possibly have convinced me I would be saying or thinking any of this. I mean, I would have admitted before we were together that Chase is a good looking guy. In reality, he is uncommonly attractive. It should be a crime for guys to have such perfect facial features. But that's the thing- when I look at him now, I think he is just perfect. It is a total mind fuck. Hahaha. I definitely don't see it, but he says the same things about me. I know I'm no Quasimodo, and I stay in really good shape, but just knowing that someone that attractive thinks I'm so attractive is, well, what can you say? I'm so in love with him that it hurts. For a long time even the idea of sex wasn't appealing, and it took months, but we wanted to be closer to each other. Now we make the most incredible love. It's what makes me know that the mind follows the heart. Now I think his fuzzy tummy- his treasure trail- is just the hottest thing in the world. Like I said, it's a mind fuck. But by far the best part is that he is still my best friend.

Anyway, if any of you have any advice, particularly if you are in the military or are close to someone in the military, it would be most welcome.
 
Yeah, change your beneficiary forms and other paperwork. None of that asks if you are queer.

Then, suck it up....You talk commitment...well you both had one before you met. Real men live up to their commitments. You have leave time, possible mutual duty assignments in the future, flexible time off et cetera.

Your problem can't be anywhere as severe as the young spouse stranded with (possibly a kid or two) the spouse fuck only knows where. Hey, you are Officers...act like it. You both are stable, gainfully employed and don't know for a golden fact that your relationship is a lifetime thing....at least not at this early stage.

If either of you gives up their dream it will eventually fester and inflame usually resulting in a severing like in gangrene. I am empathetic, I have seen the story play out. I did 12 years plus before I pulled the plug and 30 yrs later a part of me still regrets it.

Go slow for a while..change is in the wind..a hell of a lot stronger a wind then it was in my time. Good Luck and whatever you do..I hope it is the right thing for both of you.
 
I LOVE your post!!! I'm so happy for you that you get to experience those feelings for someone. Many people go through life and never do. As far as what to do about your situation I have no idea. It is a very difficult position to be in, so I really feel for you. I suppose you two need to talk about what you would do if out of the military. It sounds like you will be a doctor eventually regardless. What would he do??? Also, if both of you only have another year or two of service, it might be best to just tough it out. If he is planning on making the military a career, I think your relationship may have a much bigger problem.

I really wish you both the best and take in every minuet you have with him and savor it all. Love like that may only come around once in a lifetime.
 
What we have done is a crime.

No.

It isn't.

The ten commandments are mute about homos.

Christ never said anything about homos.

What the fucked religious right in your country have done with respect to homos is a crime.

Some day, when the US is as civilized as much of the rest of the world, people will realize that the relentless ruination of so many lives because of DADT was the crime, not two guys living togather who happened to be in the military.

Until then, as one who has had 27 years with the same guy living openly as homos in our community, I wish you well.
 
Well I hope you're not coming out just to get out of being deployed. Sorry if I misread, but that's what it sounded like to me.

Why expose yourselves now when DADT will hopefully be gone in a year or two? You've waited this long (and knew it going in).
 
Congratulations! I could not imagine a better relationship! Do everything to preserve it. There is nothing special in your movement from women to men. Many begin with women because they are prescribed by the surrounding society, but once they try men the attraction of women fades away. There is no need for a sexual self-definition, it is sufficient that you do whatever YOU like.

Has the time of your self-liberation come? You don't have to love the “gay world”, but you should now a bit about the history of homosexuality to broaden your horizon. Read Louis Crompton: Homosexuality and Civilization. I don't see much of a problem with your Christianity. Just learn more about the misinterpretation of the bible, and you can go on enjoying your belief. You and your boyfriend are free to do what you want. Don't care for the opinion of others! And even officers are not slaves of the state, no matter what they have signed before.
But the scariest part for me is that idea that something could happen to him and nobody would know what we were to each other. I would be viewed as nothing more than a friend. I am scared to death about anything happening to him but we both signed up for this. I am more scared about just being another face in the crowd. It isn't right or fair, but that doesn't change it.

I don't see a big problem here. If he will be severely wounded, the injury will be the problem, not that you will not be able to comfort him. I don't write that lightly, I spent a lot of time waiting in ICUs. My first boyfriend was a young officer in the army, but I don't dare to give you advice what to do now. Do you already know Steven Zeeland: Sailors and Sexual Identity: Crossing the Line Between "Straight" and "Gay" in the U.S. Navy. I really liked it.

Enjoy your love and don't take the rest of the world too serious!
 
No.

It isn't.

The ten commandments are mute about homos.

Christ never said anything about homos.

What the fucked religious right in your country have done with respect to homos is a crime.

Some day, when the US is as civilized as much of the rest of the world, people will realize that the relentless ruination of so many lives because of DADT was the crime, not two guys living togather who happened to be in the military.

Until then, as one who has had 27 years with the same guy living openly as homos in our community, I wish you well.



Yes, it is.

What they have done IS a crime, punishable by the UCMJ. It is something they both knew and agreed to when they took their oaths and signed their contracts.

That said, I absolutely agree with what you have said.



And I can understand your problems Doc, but I really don't think coming out to the military is a great idea right now. As was stated, you have made a commitment to serve your country. The military has done their part, now you must continue to do yours until your time is up.

Yes, it SUCKS. It absolutely SUCKS. Not something I usually share online, but I met a Soldier and fell in love too. He is currently deployed and it kills me not to be with him. It also hurts that because of his military affiliation, we cannot be open about our relationship. I have to keep it quiet to protect him and even though I would love to 'scream it from the mountain tops', I know the impact that could potentially have on him.

Fulfill your obligations and if this love is as strong as it appears, it will be there when you are both better prepared to pursue it
 
You both are professionals guys.
Get married and live happily ever after. Amen :)
 
Yes, it is.

NO, IT ISN'T.

I can't believe someone on a gay site would be so deluded as to reinforce ridiculous falsehoods about being gay.

It is against military regulations at the present time (though that will probably change soon).

It is NOT a crime.

A crime is an action that enables you to be charged with some kind of offense in a court of law and to be subject to criminal penalties such as fines and jail.

Lawrence v Texas makes it clear that being gay or having gay sex is most assuredly not a crime. The sexual activity of two consenting adults is protected by a right to privacy.
 
NO, IT ISN'T.

I can't believe someone on a gay site would be so deluded as to reinforce ridiculous falsehoods about being gay.

It is against military regulations at the present time (though that will probably change soon).

It is NOT a crime.

A crime is an action that enables you to be charged with some kind of offense in a court of law and to be subject to criminal penalties such as fines and jail.


Military personnel are subject to UCMJ... the Uniform Code of Military Justice ... which means when they violate the terms of the UCMJ, they can face penalties, fines, and jail.

YES, what they have done is in violation of the UCMJ, and is considered "illegal" in the military. There's a different set of rules for service members than for civilians.

Now are they going to be put in prison? Of course not, but how about a dishonorable or other than honorable discharge and loss of benefits? Yeah, that could happen.

The military has their own courts and serves their own criminal penalties, well aside from the civilian sector.





So while it may not be a crime on the civilian side, it pretty much is in the military. They signed away their rights as civilians and agreed to abide by the regulations set forward by the military, thus making it a crime. Or at least, an act punishable by the UCMJ (maybe "crime" isn't the best word?)


I don't think it's right and certainly don't think what they did was wrong, just saying...it could have some seriously bad effects for the both of them
 
Fulfill your duties in the military and when you guys get out, build your lives together. If you are planning to be in the military as a life long career, this is going to be complicated.
 
Military personnel are subject to UCMJ... the Uniform Code of Military Justice ... which means when they violate the terms of the UCMJ, they can face penalties, fines, and jail.

Yes it is a violation of military rules, as I stated, but that is all. I would hardly consider that a "crime".

Being gay violates the rules for membership in the military, however that does not mean it is a crime. There's plenty of other organizations with special rules where being gay typically disqualifies you as well, many churches for instance.
 
What they have done IS a crime, punishable by the UCMJ. It is something they both knew and agreed to when they took their oaths and signed their contracts.

Military personnel are subject to UCMJ... the Uniform Code of Military Justice ... which means when they violate the terms of the UCMJ, they can face penalties, fines, and jail.
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So while it may not be a crime on the civilian side, it pretty much is in the military. They signed away their rights as civilians and agreed to abide by the regulations set forward by the military, thus making it a crime. Or at least, an act punishable by the UCMJ (maybe "crime" isn't the best word?)

Yes it is a violation of military rules, as I stated, but that is all. I would hardly consider that a "crime".

It's way way off topic but just to clear up.

Being homosexual is not against military rules.

Homosexual conduct (i.e. sexual activity and sodomy) or admission of homosexual conduct is a UCMJ Article 125 violation. It is grounds for court martial (no other option) and probable dishonorable discharge (which negates benefits and can invalidate scholarships and education grants).

It also may be a violate of Article 134 if one of the persons is an officer or recruiter and the other is an enlisted person or recruitee (which it sounds like, in this case, it is not).

One common misconception is that doing away with DADT will solve the problem. It will not. The UCMJ has to be changed. DADT is just an executive order that specifies how Article 125 is to be executed by the services. The problem is really Article 125.

With that said, unfortunately OP and his partner are in deep doo-doo.

Since you're both officers and one of you is a physician, your CO would probably tell you to be quiet and do your time. If you insist and force his hand, then it's uncertain what will happen. The JCOS and OSD have pretty much suspended DADT prosecutions while the policy is under review. This is good news for your service but the bad news is that this doesn't help with your partner's deployment. Chances are that he's going to have to go if he's under contract.

You might want to consult with Servicemembers Legal Defense Network and see if they can advise you on your best options.
 
Thank you KaraBulut, that was very informative.

I think we were splitting hairs over the word "crime" here and I was clearly being stubborn, for which I apologize.



OP, I wish you the best of luck and happiness. I'm sorry I can't offer more
 
I'm in the military in Canada, and can't begin to understand what you are going through. I can't imagine how intense the internal conflict would be to put my love for my partner at odds with my service to Canada. I feel so lucky that I can be out in the CF without consequence.

They gay man in me says you should say fuck the world to be with the man you love, but the Officer in me says "For the Queen!" (as I would say here in Canada). I have to echo Lefty's post - if you are bound to service, then so be it.

I know that sounds harsh, and I feel for both of you. Good luck, and I know you will make the best decision for the both of you.
 
Dude - there are so many gays in the military - there are actually more gays in the military proportionately than there are in civilian life (what a great cover for someone who is not sure marriage to a woman is best). If you just pay attention, you will find there are gays ALL OVER the military.

I went to a house party one time (most of them don't go to bars - as you can imagine) and met more brass than I even knew they had titles for......many high ranking people are gay (they can work long hours because they don't have "family" issues).

Not sure where you are in Texas, but send me a pm because I am in Texas as well and know some very discreet people that are some of the best people in the world.

Good luck and just keep your eyes open - there are signs all around if you are watching, listening and giving a few discreet clues - never know who you might find out is buggering (I am in Australia for an extended vacation and love that term).

Jeff
 
Not sure about the laws, but I feel for you.

It's clear to me and everyone else that you only have 2 definite choices you can choose from.

Just cover your own ass before a relationship. If you're just discovering your a bisexual recently, just imagine what else you'll learn about yourself and your relationship as time continues.


As for being a Christian, that's another two definite choices you would have to make:

Live the life as the bible ordains or don't live it at all. If you follow the bible and truly believe everything in it is real, then you know that homosexuality is wrong, immoral and sinful as god said. They try and push this life is garbage so just sacrifice yourself for eternity don't they? So is your lover really worth it?

That's the gist of how any sin is really, including homosexuality.

Please think this entire issue through clinically, over a span of weeks. It's up to you to get to know you're inner you and what's best for you in the long run.
 
then you know that homosexuality is wrong, immoral and sinful as god said.

Nowhere does 'God' say it is wrong.
 
Wow first of all, reading about losing your twins crushed me and I am so sorry to hear about that, Im sure you have found ways to cope and I don't want to rehash it or sound rude.

By the sound of the story (Going to get right into a solution but the love and commitment all of that is beyond cute/adorable/once in a life time stuff) both of you need the military. So work it, that sounds really bad, manipulating the army but you are doing your duty and he is doing his. I say work it because if both of you continue with what you are doing (his deployment) it can only benefit your life and create an even better one together. I know you want that, anyone/everyone does.

The part about being gay in the military is the problem, you made very clear, but as a poster before said there are SO many gay and lesbians in the army it will make you vomit from how fast your head will spin. Just keep your eyes open. I know this is not a solution but its a start. Hopefully more people will weigh in and give something of use lmao
 
One common misconception is that doing away with DADT will solve the problem. It will not. The UCMJ has to be changed. DADT is just an executive order that specifies how Article 125 is to be executed by the services. The problem is really Article 125.

Yes it does have to be changed. That is one of the purposes of the study the military is conducting right now, to determine how things like that would need to be modified in support of a DADT repeal.

The bolded is incorrect though. It is a federal law, not an executive order.
 
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