The Mind of A Gay Republican: Help Me Understand

[DiamondSkin]

A) I'm a moderate apathetic independent. Not much into politics.

B) However gay republicans fascinate me because their clashing ideals. I'd like to understand them better.

C) This is in no way deregatory thread against gay republicans. If you're a gay republican, than PLEASE post your ideals, beliefs, passions, etc. to explain why you consider yourself a gay republican.


What incited me to make this thread was an interesting post by Andy27 at PerezHilton.com :

Why are people so fucking shocked about the anti-gay shit? And why am I getting slack for supporting McCain and being a gay male? I don't believe in special gay rights. This fucking world was created with heterosexuality in mind. God created man and woman. Nothing wrong with being gay and living your life as you want to live it, lord knows I do. But why the fuck would I expect this country, or anyother for that matter, to make changes and "special" laws and rights simply because I choose to live my life the way that it wasn't originally designed for me to live? As a Christian, I still believe life wasn't meant for anyone to live as a gay/lesbian. I know none of us choose our sexual orientation or desires or feellings, but we DO choose whether we act upon them or not. I'm gay, 100% proud of it, and quite open about it to everyone in my life, but at the same time I don't believe in gay rights or any of that bullshit. It's a straight world and that's how God originally wanted it, at least from MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW. Since I'm the one choosing to go against the grain, by sucking dick and fuckin ass, I shouldn't sit here and expect the world to conform to my choices.

Thank you for all comments!

 

[kevbo]

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Not everyone associates themselves with a political party based on social issues...

 

[kevbo]

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I'm always drunk

Welcome to WI (PS, It's 4 PM here)

Actually, I'm not drunk... yet. Happy Hour is coming up, though!

 

[DiamondSkin]

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He's a hypocrite and he constantly contradicts himself in that diatribe, and thus, i refuse to take him seriously.

Oh, and before anyone goats me on it - i'm not calling him a hypocrite based on his political alliance.

Can you point out certain parts where he contradict himself?

Thanks!

 

[bluidecreek]

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The guy that made the original quote must not have one ounce of self-respect or self-worth....and I am sad for him. These are NOT gay rights, they are HUMAN rights. He, unfortunately, doesn't feel worthy of being treated like an equal HUMAN. We don't live a "gay lifestyle" that needs "special rights", we have a "life" that is just as worthy and deserving as anyone. If he believes that God doesn't make mistakes, then it follows that God made this world that ALSO included gay people. God didn't just make this world for "straight" people.

 

[bluidecreek]

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If you vote for a political party that HATES your very existence, what difference does it make what other policies they advocate? You've already told me that you don't think much of yourself and your worth as an equal in this country.

 

[Spellbound]

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Wow... thats really sad.

 

[youngnihilist]

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how is being a gay republican a clashing ideal? give me a break. i am a gay republican. here's the deal:

obviously i am as supportive of gay marriage and gay rights as the rest of you. I understand the republican party is generally not for gay rights. HOWEVER, the democrats are only marginally better. has obama supported gay marriage? hillary clinton? no. I concede that obama is more supportive of gays than mccain, but what difference is that going to make in our everyday life?

social issues are not my number one concerns. those are the economy and foreign policy. mccain matches my views on the economy (because I am of a background that benefits from his policies) and foreign policy (because I'm a hawk). that has NOTHING to do with being gay.

so yes Obama is better for gays but my pocketbook and our foreign policy is far more important than a social issue. it's not like obama wins, gays can marry and be equal and mccain wins, we're back to the 1950s. it wont have much impact.

 

[Piquechampion]

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^ What´s a hawk??????


The guy of the comment is clearly a Christian female cunt.... fuck her

 

[MadeUpName27]

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Personally, I'm AGAINST any "Special Rights" for Gays.

Call me Old Fashioned, but I prefer EQUAL Rights.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

"... with Liberty and Justice for All."

 

[Passion4Muzik]

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A gay republican could've made that post or it could've been someone posting as gay to get out their negative views.

 

[propoolplayer99]

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Personally, I'm AGAINST any "Special Rights" for Gays.

Call me Old Fashioned, but I prefer EQUAL Rights.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

"... with Liberty and Justice for All."

Yeah! and ...
In God we trust

 

[metta]

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I'm a green party member that grew up in a republican household and was raised to be a republican. I have never been a member of the Democrats but I do frequently vote for them. I support responsible businesses. I support protecting the environment. I support the government making humane decisions. I know that private industry cannot solve everything just as the government cannot.

The most simplistic way to put the current republicans is that it is basically based on fear.

For wealthy republicans, they fear change (with the exception of lower taxes) because things are going well for them and change may disrupt that.

For the evangelicals, they fear progress, because progress often times goes against what their religion teaches them.

For the poor republicans, they fear change because they are already having a tough time as it is and change may make it worse.

If you can instill fear into people, you can usually get them to vote Republican.


The Republican party that my family supported is not the Republican party of today. My family did support smaller government, lower taxes, and keeping the government out of the personal lives of people. That is not the Republican party of today.

 

[G-Lexington]

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Why gay Republicans?

They feel that social change comes from the bottom up, not the top down.

They feel that they'd rather be fight the battle from within.

They don't like to be pandered to.

And, quite often, they like their money, and they want to keep it.

Lex

 

[Spensed]

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Many gay Republicans are just Republican about it. Some one else achieved their existing civil rights for them, they're happy with what they have and fuck the gay couple who want to adopt kids.

Some gay Republicans agree with Republicans on other issues and think they can work within the party to get change on gay issues. It's the abused wife syndrome. While it's true that the more educated Republicans don't care about gays and are sympathic to them, nothing's going to change while the religious right is such a large source of votes.

Many gay Republicans think other issues have a higher priority and see voting for someone because they support gay civil rights as a single issue decision. That's a slightly more benign version of the I'm-OK-And-You're-On-Your-Own attitude. Plus it doesn't factor in that how candidates respond to gay civil rights tells you a lot about how they are going to act in other area. No surprise that McCain shares Bush's punch-first-bring-'en-on foreign policy and will be equally happy to tap your phone.

Many gay Republicans are simply in denial. They keep themselves ignorant of the specifics of the Republican opposition to gays and the Democrats support for them. It's surprising how many gay Republicans have no or little idea of the impact of having an anti-gay majority on the Supreme Court.

Also, on gay issues, many gay Republicans just vote against their own interestes. The Republican party is still great at getting people to do that. Look at all the folk who voted for George W. because, if they were ever rich, they wanted to maximize the tax breaks on the wealth they don't have, or because they thought Republicans are still about self-reponsibility, small government or whatever or because George W. was good guy to have drink with.

 

[metta]

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^
fiscal republican...you mean like Reagan and Bush Jr. ....The Republicans put this country in more debt than any of the Democrats have. With Clinton, we actually had a surplus.

The State of California is in major debt right now and they are trying to create a new budget. The State Democrats asked the State Republicans to create a budget that they would approve of. Their solution was to not increase taxes but to create a never ending ever increasing debt. The State Democrats and the Republican Governor are asking for a 1% increase in taxes instead of increasing debt. Republicans seem to fear taxes at all costs.

Now who are the ones that are all talk and no action?

 

[Royal Heart]

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I don't believe in special gay rights.
I think the problem is in framing the issue. Most people who seek "gay rights" are really searching for "equality". It's not that gays should have special rights afforded to them, but more that gays should be given the same rights as everyone else. It's just a given that if you're a human being, then you should have the same basic rights as every other human being.

This fucking world was created with heterosexuality in mind. God created man and woman.
Well there's your problem. If you believe the world was created by God, and gays exist in this world, then what's the logical conclusion? God created gays. But that doesn't matter since you've already made up your mind to disregard the intellect that your God gave you in favor of a mistranslated book assembled from a limited selection of gospels (at the expense of other gospels which contradict the others), that hails from a time when socio-political attitudes were considerably different from our present time.

But why the fuck would I expect this country, or anyother for that matter, to make changes and "special" laws and rights simply because I choose to live my life the way that it wasn't originally designed for me to live?
You live in a country which fundamentally believes that all "men" are created equal and, thus, should have equal rights. Yet, in practice, your country does not practice that belief and cherry-picks its rights. This is a problem and your country needs to create additional laws to correct that imbalance. It's not creating "special laws", it's redressing a set of practical errors.

As a Christian, I still believe life wasn't meant for anyone to live as a gay/lesbian.
I don't understand that. I thought Christians were followers of the teachings of Christ. Why does the gender of the person you prefer to be with, intimately, matter to what Christ taught? Unless, of course, you're one of the Christians who also believes in the "Old Testament" which your own God (Jesus) said you did not have to follow anymore because he has "fulfilled the old law." But it's not like what Jesus said is important to Christians or anything.

...at the same time I don't believe in gay rights or any of that bullshit.
I'm sorry you think it's bullshit. Feel free to degrade yourself and relegate your rights as a human being to being one step above a house cat, but I consider myself to be a person deserving of equality, compassion and responsibility. If you want to be a second-class citizen, then that's your right to choose. At the same, time, though, it's my right to choose to want to be treated as an equal. Please don't force your social self-flagellation on my sense of dignity.

I shouldn't sit here and expect the world to conform to my choices.
Great, then the world won't. You've chosen to want to consider yourself an abomination, and the civilized world (I'm sorry, but America is slipping as far as that classification goes) will not conform to your choices. It will continue to correct issues of inequality, granting the rights to marriage and adoption to gays and lesbians, to working on quelling the discrimination facing those who choose to change their gender or who rejoice in being intersexed.

The world will continue to progress socially and so it won't conform to your choice to sit and wallow in your own sense of worthlessness. If you want to be some blubbering piece of meat running around on the planet in sin, you go right ahead.

 

[youngnihilist]

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If the Democrats actually supported gay rights it'd be one thing for me to consider supporting them. The thing is, they don't.

 

[Spensed]

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^ It's a question of degree.

Obama has a strong pro-gay voting record and a list of pro-gay and anti-discriminatory plans.

McCain has a strong anti-gay record and no pro-gay plans.

 

[youngnihilist]

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Obama has a moderately pro gay voting record, and doesn't support marriage. McCain has a moderately anti gay record but NOT nearly as bad as many republicans. he is opposed to a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, sees it left to the states. also he supports some rights for gay couples in terms of insurance and economics. there is disparity, but it aint polar.