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The most gay friendly cities

Montreal is colder. Men are.. well.. depends on your type. Less diveristy there but yes.. some very hot men.

but you have to be fluent in French. You can't get along in Montreal if you don't speak the language.
 
Montreal is colder. Men are.. well.. depends on your type. Less diveristy there but yes.. some very hot men.

but you have to be fluent in French. You can't get along in Montreal if you don't speak the language.

That's very debatable. If you're a student, it practically doesn't matter. If you're a bit older and trying to build a career, start a family, really ground your life here, then I'd agree. But for a student it's not that big of an issue. I even stay here during the summers and even though I don't speak fluent french - not even close to fluent, like I know a couple dozen phrases and some general words and can count - I've still been hired at 5+ places to work, a number of them with the public. I think it also depends on where you're from. If you're a native of Quebec or Montreal and you don't speak french... that's fucked up. But the francophones are way more understanding once they learn that you're from a different province or if you're American, that sort of thing. I'm American here and it adds a certain level of exotic character to me. They must not mind considering how many cute francophone boys I've slept with!

However, living here after my student years, yeah, if I chose to stay or come back, and wanted to really settle down here, I would definitely learn/have to learn French. They're very protective about their culture. I've always thought of eventually coming back to MTL after venturing other places as an option, learning French wouldn't be that difficult and if I spoke French I'd fit right in in terms of the culture/politics/vibe of the city. I feel like a lot of Montreal people exile to Toronto because of the French thing and that's why so many people bitch about Toronto because it doesn't have that flavor they're accustomed to in MTL. I've always heard people say Toronto "wishes it was" NY which seems like a very strange judgment of a city.

What's Toronto's village like compared to Montreal's, by the way?
 
What's Toronto's village like compared to Montreal's, by the way?

Toronto and NY are apples and oranges. I would give up sex to be in New York, but there are some things that Toronto does better (space, movie theatres, space in movie theatres).

The gay village in Montreal takes up like three subway stations to Toronto's paltry one (although Bloor, College, Sherborune and Castle Frank could be gay subway stops, other hoods have better claims to those stations. Montreal hot guys are clean cut and "skinny," while Toronto guys are more of the bearded, hockey player, Tim Horton's type (LOVE), but the fems are...fems. What are you gonna do?
 
What's Toronto's village like compared to Montreal's, by the way?

I mean, the main gay village in Toronto is like a small gay town.. always full of action, very friendly... very fun. But there are lots of gay areas in Toronto, all different with different kinds of people.

Montreal's gay area is a bit less concentrated but it's still a great area.

Honestly, both cities are fantastic places to live, I love them both. I personally like Toronto a bit better because I find it's just a bit more diverse and the language barrier is barely there.
 
If you consider Europe Berlin is very cheap and gay-friendly. Price-quality of life European cities offer better than North American ones.
In Vienna, Austria, where I live, which is not a "gay mecca", but certainly as gay-friendly as most big US cities, excepting perhaps NYC and SF, I pay $650 US for a large 1-bedroom apartment in tip-top condition in an 18th century palace with 1/2 acre garden. About 15 minutes by electric street car or metro to center.
 
I know Portland is up and coming and all, but I don't think it's quite there yet, for my tastes.

What about Denver?

Hmm ...

As far as society-at-large, I've heard Denver referred to as exemplary of "second-wave immigration" or "inland immigration", which is the phenomenon where the children of immigrants move to other places besides the coasts or wherever their parents first settled when they emigrated to the US. So, it's a melting pot of people from all over the US, but really mainly from California, Texas, and the Midwest, and secondarily the East Coast (mostly the wealthy, the type who own property in the mountains).

It's really a new city, in my mind. I think it's come into its own as a city within the past 15 years. Just about everybody is from somewhere else. It's a laid-back, easygoing place whose "vibe" is mostly outdoorsiness and the mountains, but that has its act together regarding friendliness to business and welcoming everyone. You'll be just as likely to find people wearing Birkenstocks to a business meeting as penny loafers as wing tips. You'd probably want a car, since Denver, much like LA, was built around the automobile, but only recently has amassed the population and money base to build large scale mass transit.

There is an active and vibrant arts scene, mainly visual arts. The new hip thing that's all the rage is is mid-century Modernism and updates on that theme. There's notsomuch music or poetry -- that's more in Boulder, which is about 40 minutes from downtown Denver.

Denver may be in the "up and coming" category, compared to some of the places you've mentioned.

As far as gay life, I've read that Denver has the 7th highest percentage of GLBT people in the US. Now, that's a relative number -- I don't know what the absolute number of GLBTs is, but since the total population of the Denver metro area is about 2.5 million, I doubt the absolute number of GLBTs is higher than the absolute number in Dallas. Its Pridefest is also ranked in the top 10 for Pridefests in the US. The state government is solidly Democrat -- both sides of the House and the governor are all Democrat (at the moment), and civil rights protections are being advanced statewide, the gay marriage amendment notwithstanding.

Capitol Hill is the neighborhood with the largest gay population. It's a huge neighborhood, probably 2 square miles, and has a wide variety of housing types (Victorian mansions, bungalows, high-rise condos, etc) and shops/restaurants/etc. I've read about 30% of the population of Capitol Hill is GLBT, so I don't consider it to be a "gay ghetto" like the Castro in SF used to be -- it's more like a large number of gays are integrated alongside young/black/Hispanic/old/etc, all in the inner city and close to downtown.

I'd say the vibe in the gay world is also easygoing and laid-back, and kind of a cross of the usual campy gay culture with outdoorsiness and the mountains (hiking, biking, camping, Birkenstocks, hiking shoes, etc). Your mileage may vary, others may disagree, still others may hate the place, whatever. :)
 
murder capitals like the twin cities
Most of the murders would be gang-related. If you're not in a gang, it's very very safe here. Very vanilla, if anything. (Well, except for the Hmong and the Somalis and the Russians and...).

I do question your quest for a city before a quest for a graduate program.
 
ALRIGHT! I'm trying to decide where to move after my undergraduate degree is finished. By then I'll have spent 4 years in Montreal - a wonderfully cultural, gay friendly city with plenty of nightlife, youth culture and a huge arts scene.

But... then what?

The gayest cities I've heard of are: Toronto, L.A., Sydney, S.F. and NYC. They all seem pretty obvious. Toronto sounds kind of lackluster (everyone in MTL makes it sound kind of... boring) so I don't really want to move there.

You really need to visit Toronto and its gay village to find out what its like for yourself. There is nothing boring about this town. Toronto's an international city with a large, ethnically varied, immigrant population = gorgeous men!
 
Toronto and NY are apples and oranges. I would give up sex to be in New York, but there are some things that Toronto does better (space, movie theatres, space in movie theatres).

The gay village in Montreal takes up like three subway stations to Toronto's paltry one (although Bloor, College, Sherborune and Castle Frank could be gay subway stops, other hoods have better claims to those stations. Montreal hot guys are clean cut and "skinny," while Toronto guys are more of the bearded, hockey player, Tim Horton's type (LOVE), but the fems are...fems. What are you gonna do?

Your characterization of Toronto men could not be further from the truth. Toronto is full of trim, well-groomed, detailed, fashionable "pretty men" of every race. Many, many exotic types here. People often dress up to go downtown.
 
as long as it's not Calgary or any city on that level, you are good.
 
Thanks for the info on Denver. Wonder if the public transit has gotten any better? Living in MTL, I've gotten really used to not driving. I'd prefer to live somewhere with mass public transit (I wonder what that says for SF).

The characterization of guys in MTL is true, I'm living proof! Haha.

Vienna and Berlin are interesting choices, but again, I'm weary about living another place where English is not the first language. It also adds an extra struggle of finding a primarily English speaking university.

If anyone has more ideas or comments in regards to what I said about NYC neighborhoods, along with musings on Sydney and Melbourne, that would be cool.

As for looking for the city before the grad school, uhm... why? I found my undergrad by finding the city first. I have to like where I live in order to like what I'm doing, and any city I could pick will more than likely have a good grad school program somewhere, I'll have two fields I could possibly go into (Lit or Writing), great recommendations, and a high GPA. I could find a great grad program in a small college town, but I like urban life.
 
As for looking for the city before the grad school, uhm... why? I found my undergrad by finding the city first. I have to like where I live in order to like what I'm doing, and any city I could pick will more than likely have a good grad school program somewhere, I'll have two fields I could possibly go into (Lit or Writing), great recommendations, and a high GPA. I could find a great grad program in a small college town, but I like urban life.
It's not a matter of getting in.

It's a matter of meshing with the program, the professors, and the professor you'll ultimate work, um, under. ;)

Grad school is nothing like undergrad.
 
This was my first impression of Toronto, and it still is after visiting for long weekends or holidays. Why people rank on Toronto is beyond me. Montreal does have that French flair in just about everything, which is fabulous. Toronto just has a different vibe, not an inferior one. Both cities i love. Toronto is easier if you don't read or speak French fluently. Anytime i've asked strangers in Montreal for a translation of something, they've always helped with kindness. The first time i went to Toronto i was amazed at how multi-cultural it is, which also means a huge variety of cuisine from around the world. If you love shopping it's paradise. If anything, Toronto is overwhelming when trying to decide where to eat, what to do, what to see. I've been going there for several years (i have friends i stay with in the gay area of Church street) and there is always something new. If you've spent time in NYC, or most American cities, the friendliness of Toronto (Canada in general) will be a shock. When i drive over the border into Canada, especially during the Bush-it years, i would breathe sigh of relief.

Sorry, but your "impressions" of Toronto and Montreal don't sound like you've spent much time in either place. You are vomiting up stereotypes: "Bearded 'Tim Horton's' types; 'French flair in everything????, "Toronto's easier if you don't speak French Fluently?" That is not an accurate description of either place. Puh-leeze...
 
I'm a big fan of Sydney if you can get down.

There's a simple solution to urban sprawl and that is, don't live in the suburbs, live in the city, it has everything you need. You can take public transport or walk anywhere.
 
I was going to say Montreal..... but saymyname has pretty much summed up Montreal, in the four years that he has been here. It was nice to read what you as a visitor/student had to say about Montreal. It truly is a great city.

Toronto's gay village is not as big as Montreal's. I think Montreal's gay village is quite unique, from what I have seen and what I have heard from other people.
 
I would hate to see an apartment in either NY (even in the far out areas) or San Francisco (or enrivons) that you could get for $700.00 a month. I'm sure in NYC there are some that exist that have been passed down for many years through the rent control system, but anyone's chances of landing one of those are a million to one.

At that price, and if you only want a city of a million people or larger, I would certainly think you're going to have to consider one of the newer sunbelt cities. I know from friends that $700.00 a month can get you a decent 1 bedroom apartment in most Texas cities if you can put aside any preconceived notions you have about Texas cities. You would never find an apartment for that price in Atlanta in the main gay area (Midtown). Frankly Atlanta gays have been priced out of Midtown for years now and are branching out far and wide.

Sounds to me like you're probably looking for a trophy city and as far as the gays are concerned we all know there are only 4 in America (NYC, LA, SF, and Miami). So I would think you're going to have to look at having 1 or more roommates if you want to live in the type of city it looks like you want to live in, at the price you feel you can pay.
 
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