The next pandemic: DETRANSITIONERS!

[rareboy]

Here’s What J.K. Rowling Has Actually Said About Trans People (New York Magazine; February 2023)

I wasn't referring to JK Rowling.

Her opinion on gender doesn't really matter.

 

[unloadonme]

I wasn't referring to JK Rowling.

Her opinion on gender doesn't really matter.

Maybe you'd prefer the views of Germaine Greer.

Germaine Greer defends 'offensive' comments about transgender women

The writer and activist accuses transgender women of ‘inflicting an extraordinary act of violence’ by having surgery

www.independent.co.uk

 

[rareboy]

No. Again. The views of yet another TERF, are of zero interest to me. I understand why she feels threatened though.

Her brand of exclusionary second wave radical feminism is no longer in fashion much any more. Her female eunuch concept now seems outdated and shows its limitations in research and expostulation of a theory that seemed to begin and end at the vagina and a bullying binary view of gender.

From everything I have read on JUB and other sites, I suspect that the TERFs have had an outsized presence in molding public opinion in Great Britain, but their influence elsewhere is next to invisible...it is the far right talibangelicals who are busy beating the drums of transphobia in the US.

But even she has lost the respect of many of her accolytes and early supporters because of her stance on transsexuals and what some see as her relativist stance on female genital mutilation.

At one time she wrote "Women have very little idea of how much men hate them." The irony being that her own life has really been about her own hatred of men, preferring if they would stop developing at the stage of being pubescent boys she could wax ecstatic over.

I prefer the opinions of the people who work in the Gender clinics in teaching hospitals and mental health centres.

 

[lefingum]

Miriam Grossman, a practicing psychiatrist who specializes in treating youths with gender dyshoria talks about this issue, esp. in regards to the medicalization of children.

Abigail Shrier, who wrote the book: Irreversible Damage, talks about this new trend of teenage girls seeking to medically transition:

Kathleen stock questioned by Oxford Union, and how articulately and intelligently she answered every one of his question:

And of course, there is my personal favorite Helen Joyce... too many videos of her to list. But I will post the convo. she had with Richard Dawkins:

 

[rareboy]

Heard it all before.

Re: Kathleen Stock... TERF aesthetics: Why Kathleen Stock is a TERF (Critical University; Elena Buscaino; December 2022)

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Re: Grossman. She hates fags too and hangs out with shady characters....

In 2011 Grossman testified against California SB 48, which prohibited teaching materials that reflect adversely on marginalized groups. It also required that schools teach about the role and contributions of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with disabilities, and members of other cultural groups, to the development of California and the United States.
Grossman has made appearances for Daily Wire (Matt Walsh and Jordan Peterson), Epoch Times, Independent Women’s Forum, Peak Trans, Foundation Against Intolerance & Racism(The Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism is an American nonprofit organization, founded in 2021, that campaigns against diversity and inclusion programs, ethnic studies curricula, and antiracism initiatives rooted in critical race theory.), Alix Aharon, and National Conservatism.

Miriam Grossman vs. transgender people – Transgender Map

www.transgendermap.com

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Re Shrier:

—Shrier’s book on what she calls the “transgender craze” was read and reviewed by medical researcher Dr. Jack Turban, who wrote: “The book’s central (and false) premise is that there are massive numbers of transgender youth who are not truly transgender, but rather just confused, and that they are all being rushed into gender-affirming medical interventions and surgeries that they will later regret. As a physician and a researcher who has dedicated my career to taking care of and understanding transgender youth, I recognized the book as bizarre and full of misinformation.

Abigail Shrier | GLAAD

—Appeared at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the Equality Act, raising hypothetical questions about transgender women: “If a preschool has a policy that only female teachers may accompany little girls to the bathroom, and your daughter’s male teacher suddenly identifies as female, ought...

glaad.org

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Re Joyce: Your favourite. But not everybody's.

Lest the reader think I’m being unfair to Joyce, let’s turn to some of her claims. I will consider three: (i) trans women are sexual fetishists, (ii) trans kids are being harmed by health care professionals, and (iii) ‘a few wealthy people … have shaped the global (trans) agenda.’ Before considering each of these claims however, let us note the suggestion Trans is ‘rigorous,’ ‘thoroughly researched,’ and/or ‘rooted in good science’ fails to survive even cursory examination. It is poorly referenced, contains a great deal of anecdote, draws conclusions barely supported by evidence, fails to weigh evidence properly, or to consider fully or at all counter evidence even where such evidence accords with medical or other consensus. Moreover, factual errors abound. In fact, so sloppy is it that a single short paragraph contains four factual errors (p 279).

Review of Helen Joyce’s Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality (London: Oneworld, 2021) pp 311 RP: £16.99; and Kathleen Stock’s Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism (London: Fleet, 2021) pp 312 RP: £16.99.

Material Girls and Trans set themselves against trans rights activism and, in the process, advance broader toxic politics that embolden the Christian

criticallegalthinking.com

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So four people who have exploited and monetized their gender critical theories. Each, apparently with personal as well as academic objections to transgender people.

They are entitled to their opinion and you are entitled to swallow it whole. But they are hardly unchallenged definitive authorities on the subject.

I prefer to listen to the practioners working in and with highly respected teaching hospitals and universities who deal with this on a case by case basis and do not blanket everyone with the same motivations and experieinces.

 

[rareboy]

And I would hope that JUB can remain a positive and supportive place for trans and gender fluid people as well as open and closeted homosexuals who are so sure of the biological and moral underpinnings of their own sexual identities.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

So four people who have exploited and monetized their gender critical theories. Each, apparently with personal as well as academic objections to transgender people.

They are entitled to their opinion and you are entitled to swallow it whole. But they are hardly unchallenged definitive authorities on the subject.

I prefer to listen to the practioners working in and with highly respected teaching hospitals and universities who deal with this on a case by case basis and do not blanket everyone with the same motivations and experieinces.

The irony is rich in this.

Gender critical feminists don't "exploit and monetise" their viewpoints. On the contrary, it has cost most of them dearly.

And the only person in this thread who I see "swallowing it whole" is you and your obsession with defending putting male rapists in women's prison if they say they are women, and allowing boys taking sports trophies away from girls, and dismissing anyone who has a more nuanced view than you as an extremist.

Grossman is an extremist, but Stock isn't. Shrier isn't. And good heavens, Dawkins and Joyce must be the least extremist people in the world. You not seeing the difference speaks volumes.

Last but not least, we all want JUB to remain a safe space for homosexuals. That is precisely why we are opposed to transgendering gay children. There's a Facebook group called 'Transgenderism is Misogyny and Homophobia.' You might want to look at it.

 

[rareboy]

You just can't let your obsession go, can you?

 

[Wild_domi69]

wow had no idea we had ppl n the world that would do such as detransition, i could never see myself going back!
i got sexy big tits beautiful bum and a healing man made vagina and my tits are sometime filled with milk

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

And I would hope that JUB can remain a positive and supportive place for trans and gender fluid people as well as open and closeted homosexuals who are so sure of the biological and moral underpinnings of their own sexual identities.

Oh sister, how I wish I could share your hope. This place is about as inclusive as a MAGA rally: "The 'others' are welcome but they better sit in the corner and shut the phuck up."

And, look, it's all the usual suspects gleefully expressing their narrow, thinly-veiled bigotry.

 

[LilBit]

Oh sister, how I wish I could share your hope. This place is about as inclusive as a MAGA rally: "The 'others' are welcome but they better sit in the corner and shut the phuck up."

And, look, it's all the usual suspects gleefully expressing their narrow, thinly-veiled bigotry.

I’m remembering why I stopped coming here five years ago.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I’m remembering why I stopped coming here five years ago.

It's basically Truth Social with nude oil wrestling videos.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

If you ever wonder why this phenomenon exists, this great movie is well worth a watch:

 

[lefingum]

Amazing conversation between Dawkins and Stock.

 

[rareboy]

It is like picking at a scab in public.

It says way more about the psychological and sociological hang-ups of the promulgators of transphobia than about the rest of us who are perfectly fine getting on with our lives and letting other people do the same.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

In a nutshell.

 

[rareboy]

Ah yes...another Youtube video.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Yes, another YouTube video. And a very good one, apparently, since you have nothing to refute his argument?

In case you hadn't watched it, it will take less than two minutes of your time.

 

[rareboy]

Can't be bothered any more.

We get it. You are freaked out by trans people.

And instead of listening to the most experieinced and learned people in their fields, who don't spend their time making 2 minute youtube vids, but do peer reviewed research and work for major teaching hopsitals...you are always grasping for some other anti-trans activist...who actually has never treated an adolescent with gender dysphoria and isn't really associated with any reputable institution in Canada.

He does seem pretty chuffed though by the great increase in his income from going to the US to testify in anti-trans court cases.

In short. He is another empty suit who doesn't seem to get that the religious activists hiring him to help craft hurtful legislation also hate him for being a homosexual.

But by all means, keep collecting heroes for your cause.

U.S. conservatives are using Canadian research to justify anti-trans laws (CBC/Radio-Canada; October 21, 2023)

 

[Latimer]

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You need to read the conclusions of the Cass Report in England, that is, that in the absence of further study and evidence, chemical and surgical treatment for gender dysphoria in young people is inadvisable. This has now become the norm in continental Europe as well.

"For the majority of young people, a medical pathway may not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress. For those young people for whom a medical pathway is clinically indicated, it is not enough to provide this without also addressing wider mental health and/or psychosocially challenging problems."

Final Report – Cass Review

cass.independent-review.uk

And from the NY Times:

"Studies show that around eight in 10 cases of childhood gender dysphoria resolve themselves by puberty and 30 percent of people on hormone therapy discontinue its use within four years, though the effects, including infertility, are often irreversible."

As Kids, They Thought They Were Trans. They No Longer Do. (New York Times; February 2, 2024)

And why, one needs to ask, support chemical and surgical intervention on children when most cases resolve?