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The Official "Big Brother 10" Discussion Thread!

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Well, "habibi" is a term of endearment, not condescension....

So is "hun" "sweetie" "doll" or "darling", but in the right context they can obviously be patronizing. That is the beauty of such words, no?

Yes I know, not my debate what am I commenting on, it's just I love how laced with condescension your post was and wasn't privy to a relationship out of the forums. ^_^
 
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Also, he knows fully well that I am a condescending ass. Even when I'm 100% correct.

That's not very good. >.> You always come off as a nice guy to me.

Edit: Then agian, I skip all yout posts that are 10 paragraphs long. No offense.
 
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This is so fucking compelling I cannot believe it is only the second week. I can't remember a season where it was this extreme this quickly. This honestly gives All Stars a run for its money. Brian's quickfire gameplay definitely set the pace for the rest of the season.
 
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Gotta point out I love the condescending tone of your post. I'm a big fan of online mocking myself. =D However I usually refrain from such fun when dealing with an issue such as this. Perhaps if you weren't being such an ass while trying to prove your points, he'd reflect more clearly on them? Surely someone of your mental aptitude considers this, correct? You probably can't help in having fun ;)

EDIT: wow it took THAT little to change your stance, Dan? I spy someone sticking a toe out of that closet!

The kiss ass fest in the backyard MUST continue, it is pivotal to the survival of the puppeteers.

I dont think Dan is gay at all. You all might want him to be. He's just trying to win Steven's trust. He goes from "I'd move out of this country if Hilary was elected President" to knowing you my new gay "friend" has changed my opinion of homosexuals". Bitch please! Steven's prollly buying that BS too. He's so willing to "accepted" by the straight guys. Oh brother
 
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I dont think Dan is gay at all. You all might want him to be. He's just trying to win Steven's trust. He goes from "I'd move out of this country if Hilary was elected President" to knowing you my new gay "friend" has changed my opinion of homosexuals". Bitch please! Steven's prollly buying that BS too. He's so willing to "accepted" by the straight guys. Oh brother
Since when does a guy have to like Hilary Clinton to like gays? Or any liberal for that matter?
 
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Okay, as of now, it looks like the Jessie/Angie/Memphis/Michelle "secret alliance" is back intact. I guess I'll be forced now to root for those assholes just because I'm rooting for Angie, LoL. I have to give Michelle props, though. I might hate her two-faced lying ass, but she's doing an amazing job of playing nice to everyone's face and making friends. Not a single person suspects her as being the giant two-faced bitch she actually is, LoL.
This is very exciting, but I still want Dan in their alliance. He is the person I am rooting for, and he still isn't safely in a strong alliance.
 
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LOL. You are great, habibi* You know that?

Great but wrong. Wrong on a number of levels.

First of all, you're making this argument into something it's not. Did I not say that racist people are not necessarily evil or horrible people? Did I not acknowledge socializing factors as those that could culminate in racist language and racism? Yes I did. Oh but I did. Please read my post carefully next time. Yes, racist language and racist people can still NOT BE HORRIBLE PEOPLE (explicit enough?), but -- and pay close attention now so that you hear only exactly what I'm saying and nothing else -- that still makes them racist. It doesn't mean they are horrible, but it does mean they are racist. Words have meaning habibi and we should not forget that. If these people aren't racist, then the word "racist" has no meaning. If you think racism is only hating people based on their race or treating them with violence, or longing for segregation and slavery, then once again (you know the drill by now) you are wrong. Racism is often more subtle than that, especially today and in a way that makes it more insidious (more difficult to spot). But it is there. And once again, these people are not horrible people. Someone can be loving, and a good parent, and a person with terrific other qualities and still be racist.

Secondly, Huck Finn? Are you kidding me? Of course I've read it. But, correct me if I'm wrong here, is it not set way before 2008? Did you somehow not get that? The lack of cell phones, the fact that they're always on a raft, that Jim was a runaway (though it turns out he was free the whole time) slave? In case you missed it, a lot has happened between the time Twain wrote Huck Finn and now. Yes, even to the people in your neck of the woods. The reason I don't think Huck Finn is a racist text is because of the specific time period it was set in. Of course it's not racist. Not in terms of how we define racism with a modern lens anyway (No more so than I would call Dickens Anti-Semetic in modern terms for his portrayal of Fagin in Oliver Twist.) Oh the characters are racist sure, but only in the sense that they are products of their time, and to expect them not to behave this way would be to expect behavior and experience far beyond their years. That would be asking too much of them, and I won't do that (though YOU are asking too much of the side that feels wronged today habibi, but we will get to that later, I promise). It's all about context, sure.

But we are in 2008 now, habibbi. Check your clocks. America is older, wiser, has been through not only emancipation but a civil rights movement too! Imagine that! And now we have television and movies and the internet and other ways to connect us, so it's really difficult to make the claim, "Well I don't really know much about black people because I never grew up around them." Bull plop. Expecting someone today to be more enlightened than the characters in Huck Finn in terms of race is NOT expecting a lot in 2008.

Yes habibi, your grandparents (and mine too, let me assure you) grew up in a different time. But our parents, and you and I, and others who are younger, should know better. Steven should know better. And if he doesn't (and if they don't), then OK, I agree (and I agreed even before you became upset and defensive) that doesn't make them or him horrible. But it is racism and we should be able to identify that if we're ever going to change it. And people who exhibit this kind of racism are the opposite of what one would have to expect of Huck Finn to call him racist by modern standards -- these people are behind the times in terms of their prejudices.

And furthermore, you expect us to be sympathetic and understanding of those who grew up in ignorance -- and even understanding to the members of your own family who you cite -- you expect us to see that these people are still people, with feelings and emotions and good qualities (which I have no doubt they possess, I'm sure your father is a wonderful man and of course all people deserve to be treated with love and compassion) yet you can't understand how a member of the maligned race, the oppressed race, and those who sympathize with them, would be hurt and offended by these remarks? Can you not see that the people receiving the insult, have feelings and emotions as well? Oh habibi -- and here we get to what I promised we would get to before -- you ask way, way too much of them.

If both sides need to understand each other, then fine. But my sympathy will always fall more on the side of the ones who did nothing wrong. If someome makes a racist remark or reveals themself to be racist, then they should be ashamed and should be told why this is problematic and why they shouldn't do it. We should not scold the wronged party -- and this should not be difficult to understand, maybe for your hero Huck Finn, but certainly not for you -- for feeling wronged. It is their right to feel wronged. And we can understand where ignorance influences this behavior, but we should not excuse it. We should never, ever excuse it. It should be a place and time to open the discussion and to tell the party in error, "Hey, NO. I love you, but that was wrong." And we should never, ever make the other side feel bad for reacting in a way that a wounded party should react.

If you make a racist remark, you cannot blame the wronged side for being upset and then become angry yourself when they call you a racist. You see how absurd that is? Because maybe yes there are mitigating factors, and you can still be a good person and all of this is true. But at that moment, you are in fact guilty of racism. And calling it when we see it is not something we should be timorous about.

And I never once -- not once -- said I was more experienced or better than you or anything of the sort because I have traveled more etc. My dear, I think you will find that those words never entered any of my posts (go on, re-check them, I will wait), so your bringing it up speaks more to your own insecurities, not my arrogance. (OK I made one joke about your age but I deflated it with "I kid! I kid" clearly delineating its humorous content).

And if you are going to respond to a long post of mine, please answer all the issues I raised. You convenienetly ignored the point I made about Steven, regarding myself and aijalon. (Undoubtedly because you know you are unequivocally wrong about this one) Answer me this habibi, do you really in your heart of hearts, and as the intelligent person you clearly are, do you really think it was a coincidence that we found the "big black buck" and the "colored woman" remark to be racially loaded (which so many of you denied! And with such passion too! It makes one wonder...) and then the very same person goes on to make an incredibly offensive, blatantly racist joke, that even you yourself said was racist? Did that not give you pause? Did that not make you think, "Hey maybe they were right about the first remark, because that would be an incredible coincidence or at least make Nik and aijalon claairvoyant?" (I assure you, I am not clairvoyant. I am only able to spot these problematic and racially loaded terms.) Face it habibi, you were wrong. Dead wrong. Couldn't be more wrong. Doesn't that shake your confidence on this particular issue even a little? Shouldn't it make you less cock sure?

And so then maybe, perhaps maybe, it's possible, you are wrong now? Wrong especially to expect so much from the maligned party and so little (in fact almost nothing) from the party that did the wrong?

* The word "habibi" is an Arabic word that loosely means "beloved." It's a term of endearment -- one of the sweetest and most intimate terms -- and one you would use only towards someone for whom you have great affection.

Honey really. Let it drop. Just let it drop. I said I wasn't discuss it further and I see that you royally missed the point. I don't want your sympathy not for me and not for my family. What I wrote about my family wasn't part of any formal argument it was a response to me being pissed that you keep talking about my age. And it's the second time you mentioned it in an attempt to justify disguarding my opinion as in implication you were more experienced than me. Babe you know nothing about my experience. You don't. Don't assuming because you're a few years older that your experiences MUST be greater and more important than mine and that my thoughts can therefore just be disregarded

As for Huck Finn the fact that you don't understand that the overall mindset and it's statement about human nature aren't locked into one time frame saddens me. It's an overall statement about human nature and the way the mind works and no number of cell phones or PC terms will change that. You can't say that people are behind the times because you don't know what point their home environment is at. You don't. You pick up what you're raised in until you make a conscious decision to do otherwise and if you grow up around people who use racist terminology like there's no difference between those words and other in the English language than that's the mindset you're gonna be in.

And you keep saying you agree that you think being racists doesn't mean you're a "bad" person but then you why do sit here and tell me I'm being "light" on racism because I have the audacity to still root for Steven, because I have the audacity to still like him, because I have the audacity to not immediately turn against him and complian about it? The general concept that I must dislike a person who I'd say 90% of the time he's awake just lies around and has fun first people who send all their time bitching complaining and looking down on people just because the first person is a little racist is something that just doesn't stick with me and it's something that doesn't make sense if you truly believe that being racist doesn't innately make someone bad.
 
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I just watched the episode and I really think you guys got Stevens words all wrong.

Angie: April who do you want to vote for?
Steven: I want to vote for.... mmm Brian, because he's a big fat liar.

He wasn't talking about Ollie and it wasn't big black buck or the wouldn't have aired it on CBS.

Rewatch 5:22

Dude that's the wrong clip. He clearly says big black buck.

Start at 1:27:

 
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I just watched last hours of BBAD for the first time just to see what the atmosphere is like. Libra is way worse than I thought. Other than the words coming out of her mouth when reading, her tone and face being angry all the time. Jesse was also worse and more bitchy than I thought. Renny wasn't as bad as on the show but it may just be the moment. Keesha was a lot more likable too. Jerry seemed like he was wandering around not knowing where to go. He's over half of all their ages and doesn't seem to fit in a game like this.

Michelle really is playing a good game. She's good at playing fake and then talking shit to fit in with who ever she's around. She's far off everyone's target. Memphis and Ollie talk game alot but don't join in on most of the bashing. Keesha also didn't let anyone tell her who she could like and talk to and defended Steven even if they hated him. Michelle/Jerry/Jesse are easily influenced by April/Libra. They need to think for themselves.

As of now

Favorites:
Memphis
Dan
Angie

Like:
Steven
Keesha

OK:
Ollie

Dislike:
Jerry
Renny
Michelle
Jesse

Hate:
April
Libra

I usually like or am fine with the majority of the houseguests but this season is different. I really want April/Libra/Michelle to all get into a huge fight with eachother. How funny would it be watching the cattiest girls go at it and rip their alliance apart?

Wow Surge. That is exactly the way I see things right now.
 
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I did notice twice on the CBS show when Dan is talking to Ollie to get him in the alliance with Brian that they edited " I looked right into the black of his eyes and knew I could trust him," to " I looked right in his eyes ---------".
 
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I can see the Dan/Angie/Steven being voted off completely. Don't get me wrong they are my favorite house members, but I don't think that any of them are smart enough to get an alliance together or persuade other houseguest to join their cause. I think the only chance they have to survive is if Brian is somehow brought back...which I hope to god happens because that will piss off April/Libra like no other.
 
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I dont think Dan is gay at all. You all might want him to be. He's just trying to win Steven's trust. He goes from "I'd move out of this country if Hilary was elected President" to knowing you my new gay "friend" has changed my opinion of homosexuals". Bitch please! Steven's prollly buying that BS too. He's so willing to "accepted" by the straight guys. Oh brother

It's probably wise to know that people say things in casting they don't necessarily believe or mean just to get on the show. I know this for a fact. I"m very good friends with someone who was on a reality show and I've had the opportunity to speak with many of the people she was with and basically all of them told me they blatantly lied to make themselves more likely to be cast.
 
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And Nikki dear ( :P ) The more I think about this I've become curious because I feel there may be a fundamental misunderstanding that is prompting in ability to reach a final conclusion between us. Now I know where Aij stands and I understand and respect his position though I disagree.

I think what I'm not sure of is where precisely you stand. Now when you're saying that I'm too light on racism are you saying that in regard to the fact I was quick to defend Steven until he said something that was ultimately blatantly racist or are you referring to the fact that even though he has made a racist comment I still root for and like him (though less than initially).

Because I'm willing to admit that I give people the benefit of the doubt more than perhaps I should. And I don't just mean with race issues. I almost always try to look at someone's words and actions and contextualize them in a way that gives them the benefit of the doubt. And maybe it is naive to believe the best in people but that's one thing I'm glad to risk naivety with. And I think it's OK for me to give people the benefit of the doubt because if they prove me wrong with their actions I'm the first to admit that I was wrong.

As far as not liking people because they say something racist... I don't know. It's hard to explain. It definitely makes me put less stock in people's opinions but it doesn't make me think they're necessary mean, angry, vindictive people simply ignorant (as we've mainly agreed on). Now there's certainly a level of racism that leads people to be mean, angry, vindictive bastards and that is of course utterly horrible but on the lesser more common level I just... I don't dislike people for being stupid. I'm disappointed in them but it's very hard for me to just dislike someone who I've never seen intentionally hurt another person. It's a kind of ignorance about this brand of racism that convinces the racists telling a racist joke is a victimless crime. And in such they don't understand the magnitude and their actions and how they effect others. Now to me personally it's much more understandable/forgivable for one to do something where they are simply too ignorant to see the broader consequences of those actions than to do something knowing full well the negative impact of their actions and how their actions will hurt another human being.

This is also the reason why someone venting about someone doesn't bother me. But people strategically alienating Angie and Brian pisses me off. One has a clear intention attached and the other does not.
 
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Like:
Steven

*gasp* HOW COULD YOU LIKE STEVEN, SURGE? RACIST ENABLER RACIST ENABLER OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG HOOWWWWWW COULD YOU LIKE STEVEN HE MADE A RACIAL JOKE FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T ROOT FOR HIM KLKHFLAKFJASLKFJAF :eek::eek::eek:

Haha I do enjoy my sarcasm. I'll be perfectly honest I never got a gay vibe from Dan myself but not everyone is completely gay or straight. I do believe there is a level of curiousity, but I'm really not expecting anything of it. It's so typical and ho hum it hurts.

And in all seriousness, WHY DO I WANT TO FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF JESSIE. He is not my type AT ALL. I've never been so mentally conflicted about someone before. Literally one second I'll think his face looks too odd for me and his body is just obnoxious, and the next my cock is a hard pole of lust. WHY.

Help me guys WHY.
 
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*gasp* HOW COULD YOU LIKE STEVEN, SURGE? RACIST ENABLER RACIST ENABLER OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG HOOWWWWWW COULD YOU LIKE STEVEN HE MADE A RACIAL JOKE FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T ROOT FOR HIM KLKHFLAKFJASLKFJAF :eek::eek::eek:

Haha I do enjoy my sarcasm. I'll be perfectly honest I never got a gay vibe from Dan myself but not everyone is completely gay or straight. I do believe there is a level of curiousity, but I'm really not expecting anything of it. It's so typical and ho hum it hurts.

And in all seriousness, WHY DO I WANT TO FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF JESSIE. He is not my type AT ALL. I've never been so mentally conflicted about someone before. Literally one second I'll think his face looks too odd for me and his body is just obnoxious, and the next my cock is a hard pole of lust. WHY.

Help me guys WHY.

Perhaps it's because you have bad taste...that's the only reason I could think of for anyone wanting to fuck him
 
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Truth hurts but in this case it's inevitable. Ugh. Trying to view him in a non sexual manner, icon helps.
 
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I'd love to ruffle those muscles of Jessie myself, and fuck the shit out of him while I tell him what a jerk he is (to date). Bad taste? I don't care. Not all have the same taste. I'd fuck with Dan, too and Steve, and big black stud Rollie, too, also and together.
 
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What's so bad about Jesse? He's hot and is more bearable than that queen Steven.
 
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As I said in the Livejournal community I'm in, ontdbb:

"You know I am really flabberghasted by my physical attraction to him, because I'll be honest when he flexes his muscles I want to vomit. I think it's that I really want to make a bitch out of him and fuck him in his sweet virgin sculpted ass."

^Oh hurray the self-hating gay! Yes Steven is entirely undesireable because he is a queen homosexual, I know right? Such vile portraits of the male homo sapien, I mean who in their unfathomable ego would desire sexual contact with another male who wants the same as us?!
 
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What's so bad about Jesse? He's hot and is more bearable than that queen Steven.
Blasphemy!!
It is against the law to not hate Jessie. He committed the ultimate sin of not liking Brian who rallied the whole house to get rid of him by using senile Jerry's military oath against him. Had it not been for the fact that Jessie pulled his fine, but dumb, ass through that honey Brian would have gotten him evicted. But you can't be against life-of-the partyBrian, heavenly angel Dan and poor little victim Angie, because they are the fun, nice people who perform puppet theater and remind people of their wonderful friends and college roommates. Libra/Ollie are the evil people who are lying and manipulating people in a game that is built on lying, manipulating, and gaining power.

Jessie is kind of aligned with this evil, devil worshipping, serial baby murderers Ollie/Libra/April who informed him that Brian wanted to get rid of his ass. The also gave him another a true tidbit that Brian and goodtime boy Dan wanted to get rid of his ally Memphis.

Everyone needs to model them selves after heavenly angel Dan who was dumb enough to give his lifelong friend Brian a sympathy vote. Also Dan told slightly prejudice queen Stevie that because they are also lifelong friends who can finish each other's sentences, he now is thinks "different" of his sinful homosexual lifestyle. 30 plus years of ignorance completely changed. And we all know everything people say in Big Brother is the absolute truth. Dan is so noble. He might join the pflag when he leaves the house. Queen Stevie has 30 plus years of ignorance of his own of the racial variety. He's an innocent victim of ignorance please don't hold him accountable.
 
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