The Official "Big Brother 10" Discussion Thread!

[Xenos Morphe]

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Here's some magazine covers of Jessie as HOH from "The Soup"

 

[aijalon18]

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Surge!!! You're not gonna believe this but I agree with everything you just wrote! Seriously. You're right about Michelle playing a great game, you're right about the Sovs and especially right about Kaysar, Howie and Janelle. OMG. I thought I was the only one put off by Janelle cozying up to that asshole Dick. It confirmed my fears that she would do anything to make herself even one iota more popular. Even though I will always have a soft spot for her and still wish she had won S6, her S7 self aggrandizement and horrible treatment of Erika, followed by her Dick-love (har har, too easy y'all) made me see how shallow and silly she really was.

And Kaysar got three chances to play this game and got evicted before sequester each time. If that doesn't qualify you for lousiest player of all time, then I don't know what does.

But more importantly Surge, I'm so glad we found something we can agree on! LOL. We seem to be a little bit more in sync this season

I actually agree about Janelle too. I hate the fact that she likes Dick so much. She went way down to me for doing that. I dont think she did it to become more popular. Janelle is just the most popular ever period. She doesnt need Dick. I think she is one of those people, like many others sadly, that like Dick and don't find him revolting on every level like I do. I'll never understand it but some people really do like him and see nothing wrong with any of his behavior. I also didn't like how she hated Erika so much and the things she used to say about her. I guess I kinda forgave her because EVERYONE was after her on all-stars.

Kaysar did make a colossal mistake on his season with Jen but everything else was bad luck imo. He couldnt have known James was such a shadeball on all-stars. They were friends outside the game. And tbh on All-Stars, i think Dr. Will was very jealous of Kaysar at first. He was really pissed that Janelle used to ignore him at first and only communicate with Kaysar and Howie. He hated Kaysar was America's choice and the hot guy. Will tries to act like he's so smooth and unaffected but he doesnt like that Kaysar got more attention than him.

 

[Apollo]

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^Damn your crazy. Was all that really needed?

And I know that Kaysar wasn't very good at gameplay. I never mentioned he was. I just said Janelle had a sexy arab guy in here alliance. And while you might have found Kaysar boring and uninteresting, and average looking. I found him very hot, very interesting blah blah

As for Howie, ewwwwww

 

[falconfan]

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I don't really care too much about Brian even though I liked him because he brought it on himself and the others were smart to get rid of him. His game was just way too stupid. I didn't want Angie/Memphis/Steven/Dan to go this early though.

Angie/Steven/Dan are targeted for hanging out with Brian. Memphis is targeted for hanging out with Angie. Memphis/Angie/Jesse/Michelle weren't even targeting Keesha but now Keesha will be nominated next week if one of them wins HOH and she'll probably be evicted if Libra wins POV.

But she won't because she's playing this week off perfect. She's basically telling J/M/M that her hands are tied by her word. It's not her idea. She doesn't WANT to do it etc. They're still gunning for Libra first. And teh initial noms are going to be April and Ollie. Keesha is playing this week perfect.

 

[falconfan]

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As for the topic of Kaysar sucking it can all be summed up quite simply by looking at Maggie. Kaysar spent his time in All-Stars bitching about how Maggie wasn't a good player when she most certainly was. This shows that Kaysar is absolutely incapable of perceiving subtle gameplay as good gameplay. He insisted that Maggie was lucky and not a good player because she only made "basic" and "text-book" moves.... well they're text-book because they work. He just doesn't get it. It doesn't click with him.

 

[jonnyj]

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Keesha is being an idiot. If she would have put up Libra she'd have the entire house on her side, except for April and Ollie. I hope Steven sees what a bitch she's being and decides he doesnt want her for a friend. There better be a twist soon, I cant stand how fucking dull and bitchy this season is. They need something really good, like bring back the evicted houseguests or some new people in.

 

[falconfan]

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Keesha is being an idiot. If she would have put up Libra she'd have the entire house on her side, except for April and Ollie. I hope Steven sees what a bitch she's being and decides he doesnt want her for a friend. There better be a twist soon, I cant stand how fucking dull and bitchy this season is. They need something really good, like bring back the evicted houseguests or some new people in.

My LORD do you not understand what that would do?! That would leave M/M/J/A intact. M/M/J/A would go after April and Ollie next and then Keesha the week after. Keesha would be signing her own death warrant. Why would you EVER want to help a solid four alliance who have shown an ability to win competitions to maintain their numbers just because someone who is never going to put you up happens to be a bitch. Keesha and April reasoned perfectly last night that Libra NEEDS them. Libra has 0 friends in the house. 0 other allies. Libra could never afford to put Keesha, April or Ollie up and the house hates her and will focus on removing her so how would it hurt them to leave her there?

Jessie doesn't need Keesha. Memphis doesn't need Keesha. Michelle doesn't need Keesha. Angie doesn't need Keesha. Any one of them could watch Keesha float off into the sunset and be just fine so why the hell would Keesha believe Libra would go after her before J/M/M/A???? Keesha is doing the right thing now though it may be smarter to get rid of Jessie than Angie I think Angie might actually be more threatening to Keesha in the long run.

I'l tell you right now what April's doing she's setting herself up a final three. She has an unspoken final two agreement with Ollie and a formal one with Keesha. She's expecting the other team to pick of Libra and the three of them to sail to a final three where she can sit back and be brought to the finals. It's dumb of her to think though that Ollie and her will both make it to the final 3. One of them is going out before then.

 

[falconfan]

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Memphis is up in HOH trying to convince Keesha to use the veto on Jessie because he's a better competitor than Angie and if she leaves him up there against Angie people are going to realize and send Jessie home. (I really think this is going to have the reverse effect of saving Angie.)

Now they're complaining about how Libra gets in fights with everyone. Comparing Libra to Jessie and how neither knows how to shut up and they just keep putting targets on their own backs with their big mouths.

Memphis says what bothers him about Jerry is that Jerry called him a womanizer and Jerry always says things about Memphis to Jessie and then Jessie just tells him.

Back to complaining about Libra.

They're talking about how they're obviously idiots. Apparently Dan tried to point out that he didn't put Memphis up against member of his own alliance in the HOH. They laugh and said that apparently none of them paid any attention to the people they were putting up against each other (Because they're idiots. Libra clearly choose pairs based on who was aligned with who and that's why there were three people on his side remaining at the end).

Now they're talking about Dan and how they can never trust him because he floats between people too much but he has no one on his side so there's no point to worry about him now.

 

[falconfan]

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Keesha says that she wasn't trying to win veto. Apparently everyone over guessed and she kind of won by default.

Jessie comes and has the same conversation with Keesha AGAIN.

Angie and Memphis talking outside. Neither seems very hopeful. (Should be noted that Angie has Steven's bandanna on her wrist). Michelle approaches and says maybe we can get her to backdoor April. Angie and Memphis don't acknowledge the comment. Michelle wanders away to find a bridge to hide under.

Memphis: It's one of the things with Keesha you can't tell her what to do. You just have to put the thought in there and let her think of it. You know-

Angie: Yeah Definitely

Memphis: And that's with everybody. You're not going to be able to tell anyone what to do in this house. We all have way to strong personalities. Cuz all they're going to do is take it the wrong way and be like 'fuck you.' And I think that's how Jessie deals with shit and I think that's why you know... I feel like that's why she put him up anyway.

Angie: Yeah and they (Libra and april? maybe Jessie?) are just going to be constantly around her to day and piss her off.

Memphis than talks about how the way Libra/April doesn't trust her and Keesha definitely realizes that. Memphis then says that he told her even now Angie and Jessie aren't gunning her so why make those enemies. (to me that's a big misstep. If she knows they're still not gunning them she has no reason to save them and get back in their good graces. He basically just told them you can send one of them home and still be viewed as low man on the totem pole which is just what she was hoping for.)

 

[falconfan]

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Angie basically saying she's going to talk to Keesha again and point out that Keesha's alliance doesn't include her in decision making (ie Steven) and that even Libra has said Steven went out because he was targeting Libra and the "alliance" strategy is all about what's best for Libra. It isn't about the house. She then says that she thinks she's going to go insane today.

 

[aijalon18]

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Nik2,
You are a very smart guy we all know that. I don't articulate things as well here. For me personally, I really don't feel like there's a need for it a lot of the time. But I assure you am a smart guy as well. Your diatribe was extremely arrogant and disrespectful. You have no business telling me I'm just WRONG on something so subjective. You have no right to say that. My opinion is just as valid as yours.

I don't think going after James and Sarah was a good idea. But we were not in the game. You don't know what it's like to be in the game. We can see evrything so we know going after James wasnt the best move. But for someone who was there James was going back and forth between so many alliances and telling more lies than he could keep track of. So getting half of that duo of Sarah and James was a good move. Obviously it would have been better to get rid of James. But getting rid of that element that they could NOT trust at all was NOT a dumb move. James wasn't a slight nuisance. He was making up all kinds of elaborate lies about people who were supposedly in his alliance. For all Kaysar knew James had the same deal with Ivette, Beau, Jen, and April making their numbers equal. So he just went with an instinct that turned out to be wrong.

As for All-Stars, going after the floaters was not the brightest idea. But the fact is Season 6, especially Janelle, would always be a target no matter who they went after. Their only hope was to win HOH every week. Which is just impossible.

And I don't find Will sexy at all. He's just slimy and smarmy to me. Just picturing his pale skin and black gelled hair is so gross. If he sat on my couch I'd wipe it off after. And his skinny no-ass body. Vomitose. Everything that comes out of his mouth seems so disingenuous. That cocky side eye he gives is so revolting. Guys talk to me like that all the time, I don't like them and I don't like Will. You two are prolly peas in a pod with your arrogance and all.

I think Kaysar is so much sexier. He's so genuine, personable, so secure in who he is and doesn't need to play games. I think some people around him, Janelle included even though I like her, don't deserve him as a friend. He's too good to them. And I don't care what you say, Will was jealous of him. He his not some perfect charmbot machine like you and others think. He's just a guy. I had the feeds that season and I remember a lot of the comments he made when he spoke to just Boogie and he was jealous of Kaysar at the beginning. He got over it when he saw Kaysar making mistakes. Kaysar till the very end never really respected Will's gameplay or Will as a person. Will likes people like Boogie who insecure and stroke his ego.

 

[falconfan]

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Nik2,

I don't think going after James and Sarah was a good idea. But we were not in the game. You don't know what it's like to be in the game. We can see evrything so we know going after James wasnt the best move.

Dude... stop trying to use the "you weren't there" argument. It's fundamentally flawed. You tried to use the same thing when telling us all that we shouldn't hate Libra because we don't know... we weren't there... we've never had slop... etc. etc. If you genuinely believe that than your stance would have to be that no one can form any opinions about anyone in this game or any decision they've made because we were never in their shoes. And if no one is allowed to form any opinion about any one than.... why are we on this board at all?

That argument cuts every argument off at the knees including numerous things you've said!

I think some people around him, Janelle included even though I like her, don't deserve him as a friend. He's too good to them. And I don't care what you say, Will was jealous of him.

You could easily apply the blanket argument of you don't know... you weren't there to this statement for instance.

And may I point out that you've let your personal preference for Kaysar as a human being distract you from your thesis. Nik's argument was that Kaysar was a bad player. Yet in your counter you say things like...

I think Kaysar is so much sexier. He's so genuine, personable, so secure in who he is and doesn't need to play games.

These are opinions about Kaysar's personality that may or may not be true but whether they are true or false they don't disprove Nik's thesis. Kaysar being sexier more genuine or more personable does NOT prove him to be a good/better player. In fact it may prove him to be a worse player. You yourself have applauded Libra for being disingenuous saying that her willingness to blatantly lie has made her a better player. How than does stating that Kaysar has an opposite quality show him to be a better player.

The only real point you made about Kaysar actually playing the game was sayign season 6 was in a hopeless position going into it because they needed to win every HOH. Well perhaps "season 6" was. But even if that's granted that doesn't mean KAYSAR was. It was Kaysar's own desire to bind season 6 together and place himself as the figurehead of that group which lead to his downfall, the same trait that lead to his downfall twice in his season (as well as Eric's downfall in season 6). Kaysar had lengthen discussions that season (well more like whining sessions) about Maggie only winning because she was hiding behind people yet he didn't learn his lesson. He repeated his mistake saying look at me! I'm in the lead! It's all me! A far smarter play is to act as Maggie or Will and swallow your pride to let someone else come off as the head of your group (Eric and Janelle) and just quietly scheme behind the scenes.

Kaysar sucked dude... sucked hard. Now you don't have to like him less just like I don't have to like Libra more because she doesn't suck. All and all I think you just need to realize that this is nothing personal and just because Nik thinks that Kaysar was a bad player doesn't mean it's a personal insult to you.

 

[falconfan]

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Drama! Memphis is playing on Keesha's fears that Angie won't go home (I don't know how much of this is true I haven't been watching). He's saying that the tides are all ready turning. He's saying Jerry wants to get Jessie out and told Angie that she may have the votes to stay.

Keesha, Renny, Dan and Jerry in HOH. Keesha making the rounds making everyone promise that they'll get rid of Angie and do what she wants. (I hate when HOH's do this. It's like really? Why do you get to choose which one leaves... why even have a vote). Aprils there now. They're all assuring Keesha Angie's leaving. April is saying that the other four are trying to provoke her and Libra because they know that they're hot headed. April continues to over read into things Angie's done and determined that every single thing Angie does MUST have to do with April. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! April's saying the only thing that's getting her through is knowing that America's going to love her and think Angie is such a bitch.

Angie's in the backyard defending Jerry saying that Jerry never said she was safe.

 

[falconfan]

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THERE'S A POLL ON CBS.COM. CBS hasn't done polling in a while on BB or Survivor. It could be completely pointless. It could be a method for Grodner to decide who to fix it for or it could be for questions for the next HOH. Who knows really? But the results aren't showing and I suggest everyone go show some Angie love in case it turns out to actually be something important.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/big_brother/polls/

 

[falconfan]

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I have a feeling that there's going to be some sort of big blowup today. I'm watching the feeds, and there's crazy tension all over the house. There's been crazy tension since the moment they woke.

Everybody's talking shit all over the house... Jessie's on edge and can't eat or sleep... Angie's already said that she's gonna have some confrontations today since she's got nothing to lose... Michelle's strutting around like she's pissed at the world... Keesha's fed up with Jessie pressuring her... Jerry/Memphis are ready to murder each other and once Jerry finds out that Memphis ratted him out to Keesha, it's gonna hit the fan. Surprisingly, I haven't seen Libra once yet!

Expect a blowup today. I think it's gonna happen.

Excellent a major disturbance of house order is just the kind of thing necessary to save Angie.

 

[falconfan]

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Jesse is self destructing. I'm sure Soap will give you the details

 

[falconfan]

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Jessie is now telling Keesha that the universe wants Libra out because Libra came in second in the POV and HOH

 

[aijalon18]

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Dude... stop trying to use the "you weren't there" argument. It's fundamentally flawed. You tried to use the same thing when telling us all that we shouldn't hate Libra because we don't know... we weren't there... we've never had slop... etc. etc. If you genuinely believe that than your stance would have to be that no one can form any opinions about anyone in this game or any decision they've made because we were never in their shoes. And if no one is allowed to form any opinion about any one than.... why are we on this board at all?

That argument cuts every argument off at the knees including numerous things you've said!



You could easily apply the blanket argument of you don't know... you weren't there to this statement for instance.

And may I point out that you've let your personal preference for Kaysar as a human being distract you from your thesis. Nik's argument was that Kaysar was a bad player. Yet in your counter you say things like...



These are opinions about Kaysar's personality that may or may not be true but whether they are true or false they don't disprove Nik's thesis. Kaysar being sexier more genuine or more personable does NOT prove him to be a good/better player. In fact it may prove him to be a worse player. You yourself have applauded Libra for being disingenuous saying that her willingness to blatantly lie has made her a better player. How than does stating that Kaysar has an opposite quality show him to be a better player.

The only real point you made about Kaysar actually playing the game was sayign season 6 was in a hopeless position going into it because they needed to win every HOH. Well perhaps "season 6" was. But even if that's granted that doesn't mean KAYSAR was. It was Kaysar's own desire to bind season 6 together and place himself as the figurehead of that group which lead to his downfall, the same trait that lead to his downfall twice in his season (as well as Eric's downfall in season 6). Kaysar had lengthen discussions that season (well more like whining sessions) about Maggie only winning because she was hiding behind people yet he didn't learn his lesson. He repeated his mistake saying look at me! I'm in the lead! It's all me! A far smarter play is to act as Maggie or Will and swallow your pride to let someone else come off as the head of your group (Eric and Janelle) and just quietly scheme behind the scenes.

Kaysar sucked dude... sucked hard. Now you don't have to like him less just like I don't have to like Libra more because she doesn't suck. All and all I think you just need to realize that this is nothing personal and just because Nik thinks that Kaysar was a bad player doesn't mean it's a personal insult to you.

I don't get why you got involved. I was addressing someone who was directly addressing me. what is your problem? Nik was out of order saying I'm WRONG over and over again. "Even as I'm reading it I'm wrong." There's no need for that. That's disrespectful.
It's not for you to get involved. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Just like you are entitled to yours. I don't agree with you mostly but I don't say "you're wrong! you're wrong!"
And at one point the exchange was about the physical attractiveness of Will/Kaysar. Which is entirely subjective. So i was responding to that. If you're gonna get in the middle of things, you should know what you're talking about.
And you're making shit up about Libra. I never said her lying was good gameplay or an asset. All I did was respond to people calling her a lying bitch, lying cunt, lying whore when everyone in the game blatantly lies. I said her asset was her ability to figure out people's connections to other people and alliance. It is far superior to anyone else in the house.
And I never said Kaysar was a good player at all. I said with James I can kinda see why he targeted him. That's all. Just like you all defend Angie's gameplay that I think is retarded. I defend certain aspects of Kaysar. I don't think he was good at this game. He's too interested in playing with integrity. I enjoyed watching him though. And from what I saw I liked him.

 

[falconfan]

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I don't get why you got involved. I was addressing someone who was directly addressing me. what is your problem? Nik was out of order saying I'm WRONG over and over again. "Even as I'm reading it I'm wrong." There's no need for that. That's disrespectful.

Dude you need to stop taking things so personal. I got involved because he's my friend and you're attacking him. People joke around. Nik saying that you're wrong as you're reading it is just humor like chill and stop taking things so personal. I mean he teases me about my spelling and crap and I tease him about always trying to sound smart.

And you're making shit up about Libra. I never said her lying was good gameplay or an asset. All I did was respond to people calling her a lying bitch, lying cunt, lying whore when everyone in the game blatantly lies. I said her asset was her ability to figure out people's connections to other people and alliance. It is far superior to anyone else in the house.

But that's exactly the kind of thing you're supposed to lie about. Is she supposed to tell people exactly who she wanted nominated?

And as for there not being a right and wrong... that's a common thing that people say but clearly the fact you have to have an opinion proves that you think there is such a thing as a "good" player of a "right" side and a "wrong" side. If one truly believed that there was no wrong or right than one must have no opinio. If one claims people can't attack people for trying to disprove their opinion on the basis that there's no such thing as a right opinion the very existence of their opinion disproves their argument. What makes it an opinion vs a fact is simply that words like "good" "best" and etc are not clearly defined and can't be proven.

 

[aijalon18]

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Dude you need to stop taking things so personal. I got involved because he's my friend and you're attacking him. People joke around. Nik saying that you're wrong as you're reading it is just humor like chill and stop taking things so personal. I mean he teases me about my spelling and crap and I tease him about always trying to sound smart.





And as for there not being a right and wrong... that's a common thing that people say but clearly the fact you have to have an opinion proves that you think there is such a thing as a "good" player of a "right" side and a "wrong" side. If one truly believed that there was no wrong or right than one must have no opinio. If one claims people can't attack people for trying to disprove their opinion on the basis that there's no such thing as a right opinion the very existence of their opinion disproves their argument. What makes it an opinion vs a fact is simply that words like "good" "best" and etc are not clearly defined and can't be proven.

I take it personally but I'm not like crying and making voodoo dolls or anything. Just annoyed. I don't know him to know if he's joking. Just like you don't know me to think I'm freakin out over here. I wasn't so angry and now i hate Nik. I still like Nik as much as you can like someone on message board. But i thought he was being arrogant and disrespectful so I responded how I feel.

I have perspective. This is a thread about a reality show not exactly a federal case for fucks sake. But still there's no need for you to get involved.Friend or not. You didnt say it, so you dont have to defend him. He's a big boy he can stick up for himself if he wants. And I have no hate for him, you, or anyone in the world for that matter.